GLP Bible Study (King James)

That's a good question, and I don't know. I will have to see if I can find something on it.

My guess for now is that because Cain was already given a punishment that would come upon those that killed him, that someone killing someone else the punishment would multiply after that because it was well known that it was wrong.

For example when Cain killed Abel, he was given a specific initial punishment, but those that would kill Cain were given a even bigger punishment, so it seems that the punishment was multiplied as the sin is spreading and progressing through the generations.

That's only my guess, I'm not entirely sure.

That seems feasible. Other thoughts anyone?

God Bless

look at the ot and the variations from translation to translation. Its troubling to say the least

Us , Our , and Our is plural and refers to YHWH and his manifestions as himself , the spirit , and the son Yahusha Hamashiach
Elohim is plural in qaulity , not qauntity . El means mighty one , Elohim means very mighty one , it is "plural" in a qaulitative sense , the mightiness is what is plural

psalms you will notice it

The word itself is plural, but the verbs in the text surrounding it is written in in singular form, indicating it is intended to be meant as a singular.

For example, "The United States" is plural (There is an S on the end of States), but we do not say "The United States are"...instead we say "The United States IS"...indicating that it is meant as a singular, not a plural.

That is why it is clearly a singular in the Hebrew...One God, three persons. A trinity.

Keep trying to fit your view into your ideology.


The word `elohim is a word that designates a "classification" of beings or entities. It is like other classification words, i.e., mankind, animals, birds, etc. It is most often found in the indefinite form `elohim, which we suggest should be translated as "an elohim." It is also found in the definite form ha-`elohim, which we suggest should be translated as "the elohim." The reason we are using the transliterated form "elohim," instead of the usual translation "God/god," is because there is a tremendous amount of theological baggage attached to the translation. We suggest that you build your own "Meaning Profile" for the word.

Our research indicates that the text of the Hebrew Bible neither supports the monotheistic claims of Rabbinic Judaism nor the Trinitarian claims of many sects of Christianity. Instead, it reveals a history of transition from a world of many "elohims" to the ultimate dominance of Yahweh the elohim of Israel.

EL and Elohim - EL is the supreme creator god of the Canaanites who lives with the other gods on Mount Zaphon (similar to Mount Olympus of the Greeks but located at the mouth of the Orontes river near the border between Turkey and Syria). He is the father of all the gods and men and is often addressed as such by the Canaanite gods. He is the god of the earth and the air who is represented by a bull. He is derived from the Sumerian god AN. In the Bible EL is translated as God. Elohim is the plural form of EL yet in most places in the Bible it is used in the singular sense so it is also translated as God instead of gods. Strict monotheism was not fully developed in Israelite thought until their exile to Babylon. Before then Yahweh (translated as Lord in the Bible) was the god of Israel and Judah (officially their only god) whose principle power and characteristic was that of justice and righteousness. Because he judged other peoples and gods he soon came to be seen as the supreme God (the equivalent of EL), and finally as the only God for all people. Echoes of Israel's earlier stages of understanding are found in some old psalms as follows:.


Psalm 82:1: Elohim has taken his place in the assembly of EL, in the midst of the elohim He holds judgment.
Psalm 29:1: Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength.
Psalm 89:6: For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of EL is like Yahweh. SOURCE

Your argument fails. It Totally ignored the fact that the verbs that modify "Elohym" are treated as singular, not plural, as pointed out. Thus the lack of the use of the prefix "Ha" (English 'The') is not enough to refute. Ha is used in classifcation terms for God in hebrew, such as "HaShem" (The Name) where name is a cognate with reputation or authority, a wider abstract that can be used to show a classification as well as a singular objective term. But aditionally, Ha (The) is an authoritive term of dominion and invocation. It denotes a subject (such as THE cat as opposed to just cat) whereby the cat then becomes subject to the invokation...is God subject to man? God orders us not the other way around, so when refering to the term Elohym, it is most appropriate to use no "Ha" prefix, but this in no way disqualifies the trinitarian aspect of the term.

Failed? Think real hard, how would WE create a new species in our image?

1.- The Origin of Man Mauro Biglino has found that in the original Hebrew text of the Bible, in the Book of Genesis, it is written that a group of individuals - called the Elohim – made man with a genetic engineering intervention, by mixing their own DNA with the DNA of primates already present on the Earth.

In the Bible there is even a specific word that refers to the DNA, and this Hebrew word is tselem. Mr. Biglino has found that the correct translation of the famous verses of Genesis (1:26) is:

"And the Elohim (plural) said: "Let us make man in our likeness, using that thing that contains our image".

The "thing that contains our image" is the tselem, which means "something material which contains the image, and which has been cut off from".

The "Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon", dictionary of Biblical Hebrew and Aramaic, under the term "tselem" writes the following definition: «something cut off». What is that "something" which contains the "image" of someone, that can be "cut off ", that can be extracted?

In our modern times, one thing immediately comes to mind: the DNA.

The word Elohim, in the modern Christian Bibles, has been translated with the word "God". But it is a wrong translation, because the Elohim is a plural term, that indicates a group of flesh and bones individuals, powerful but not omnipotent, and certainly not spiritual nor transcendent.

What is written in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament has a stunning similarity with what is written in the Sumerian tablets, which are dating to more than 4000 years ago. Basically the the original Masoretic text of the Old Testament and the ancient Sumerian tablets are telling the same events.

The Sumerian tablets are even more detailed.

A. The scientific research on the Mitochondrial DNA brings to the conclusion that there was a "first mother" - the mother of all humans - and that she lived on Earth around 250,000 - 150,000 years ago.

B. Moreover, the often overlooked transition between the 24 chromosome pairs of apes and monkeys (and the Neanderthal Man) to the 23 chromosome pairs of Homo Sapiens suggests that a highly sophisticated genetic engineering intervention took place at a certain point in time. There is no way that this transition from 24 to 23 chromosome pairs could happen spontaneously.

C. The "missing link" between apes and homo sapiens still, after decades of searches, has not been found. All these factors: the Mitochondrial DNA, the 24 to 23 chromosome pairs transition, the inexistent link between apes and homo sapiens, and the writings on the Sumerian tablets fully confirm the narration of the Bible about the "Origin of Man" - and the Bible does not tell of a "Creationist" version about the Origin of Man - at all.

Gen 2:22

And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Now, the question is why God didn't just make woman just like he made man? We must look at God, not as we look at things of this world but into the spiritual world.

In the beginning God made the Heavens and the Earth. You see, God made the Heavens first so we must look at things first in the ways of the Heavens then see things as of the earth in order to even to try to under stand God's ways.

Gen 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The reason God took out the rib of man was to show man that he is not complete with out the woman.

God told them to be fruitful and multiply. We must understand that God did not make man for man and woman for woman; if God did we would not be able to be fruitful.

You see God did not make Adam and Steve or Eve and Eva. God made Adam for Eve so they would be fruitful.

I may self would go around saying that I want my best rib back and one day the Holy Spirit said I did, she is right next to you.

Now, we must see that the reason God took the rib from the man is. In order for the man to keep from having so much pride God took out the best rib man had.

After God took the rib Adam asked God, why you made Eve so beautiful? God said, so you would love her. Then Adam asked, why did you make her body so lovely? Again God said, so you will love her. Adam was a little upset and said, then why did you make her so dumb? God said, so she would love you!!!

The truth is, God knows what he is doing so that the man would depend on her for without her he would really be lost. So man would always be looking for that rib in order complete himself in life.

There are to things man always does wrong first he always says things he wished he did say. Second is he always seems to put his foot in his mouth. Man needs his rib next to him so that she can help him from doing these things all the time.

If it was not for the woman, man would be lost and not be able to find his way around any where he goes for he will not ask for directions to find out how to get where he needs to go.

When man use to have more then one wife. That man could not control himself for the lust of man is to have more then one to please him sexually, the more the better. This was not Gods plan in the beginning. If that was so, then God would have given more women in the beginning of time. I personally do not see how a man can live with more then one wife for it is hard to live with one at it is...

The only reason a man would live with a man or a woman would live with a woman is that Satan has given them the spirit of deception.

Because Satan will always take what God has done for good and turn it around against God. Satan is a liar, a thief, a killer, and will always take what is good then turn it backward of what God has done.

Conclusion:

Man, must understand that without the woman he is nothing. But with the woman he is all that he can be…Just as we, without Jesus Christ we all are nothing. But with Jesus Christ we are all we were created to be...

a lateral relationship
Eve was taken from Adam's rib because she was his equal and God intended for her to stand beside him-- not below him, not behind him and not above him. Adam and Eve were literally to be "of one flesh" and to be unified in all things. It is true that God did not give them the same responsibilities, but he did make them equal partners with talents, gifts and abilities to help each other fulfill those responsibilities. The rib signifies neither dominion nor subservience, but a lateral relationship as partners, to work and to live, side by side. In the Bible Genises 2:22

For anyone reading this argument, all you need to ask yourself is "Did Ancient hebrew have a word for DNA"...thousands of years before it was discovered or even contemplated.

Pseudo science and quack literature is not a good way to defend your position.

Genesis 4:25 ESV / 7 helpful votes

And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.”

Genesis 2:18, 20 state that the woman is created to be ezer kenegdo. Rabbi David Freedman has pointed out that the word ezer, often translated “helper,” actually means “power” (or “strength”), as demonstrated by its use elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible. Furthermore, he takes kenegdo, an expression rendered “suitable for him” (NIV), as meaning one “equal to him,” a rendering based on later Mishnaic Hebrew. Thus, when God says he will make a “helper suitable for him (i.e., the man),” he likely means that woman is a power equal to a man; she is his match; she corresponds to him in every way. Indeed, “woman was not intended to be merely man’s helper. She was to be instead his partner.” Man and woman are symbolically matched to one another in a mutually dependent relationship — hence the expression “one flesh” (Genesis 2:24).”

I am not sure what you mean by significance of Eve being created “as a helper…” However, with an understanding of the original Hebrew text, the role of “helper” is significantly deeper than it seems on the surface. It appears, using the Hebrew text, that Eve was created to lift Adam up during times of weakness, or need, bringing him strength (or power), as an equal partner rather than taking the role of a servant as many interpret this passage today.

If “by the inner being of a woman” you are asking about her receiving the “breath of life”, or the ability to receive the Holy Spirit, I would have to respond that if she were not able to have full understanding, or receive these, then God would not have bothered to throw her out of the garden with Adam. She would have been treated like any other animal in creation. (You know, hit her with a rolled up newspaper, or something.)

I do accept literal interpretation (correct interpretation). I believe Eve was made a “power (or strength) equal to him” (ezer kenegdo).

"The Mother of All Living"
Earl Kimbrough
Waycross, Georgia
Eve occupies a unique place in the history of the world by virtue of being the first woman. Since she was the first woman it was also her lot to be the first bride, the first wife and the first mother. Her name means "life" or "living" and was bestowed upon her "because she was the mother of all living." Eve is mentioned only twice outside of Genesis, but there is much about her life that has a direct bearing upon women today.
Eve's Place in Creation
Eve was the first woman because of the will and creative act of God and not because of any evolution from lower forms of life. Her place in creation is second to Adam. "For Adam was first formed, then Eve" (1 Tim. 2:13). The manner of her creation is set forth in these words: "And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And of the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man" (Gen. 2:21-22). Her physical body was thus made from the rib taken from Adam's side, but her soul, no less than Adam's, came from God for she too was made in the image of God.
The Holy Spirit tells us that Eve was created for the purpose of being a "help meet" for Adam. The word "meet" conveys the idea of likeness, correspondence in nature. The Revised Standard Version renders it "a helper fit for him." The purpose of woman's creation in the beginning is the purpose for her existence today. "For the man is not of the woman. but the woman is of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the wonian for the man" (I Cor. 11:8, 9). Woman is to be an aid and companion to her husband. She is to, be the keeper of his home, the bearer of his children, the comforter of his life. When she forsakes these sacred duties to carve for herself a career outside the home, she endangers the happiness of both her husband and herself and undermines the purpose for which God made her.
Eve's Place in the Home
After God created Eve he brought her unto Adam and she became his wife. The first home was thus brought into existence. Before this Adam was alone with none to provide his need for love and companionship. God saw that this condition was not good and therefore created Eve and the home. It was God's will also that within the sacred relationship which the home provided children should be brought into the world. God commanded Adam and Eve to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth," and ordained the home as the institution in which this was to be done.
The creation of the home was not an experiment with God. He endowed it from the beginning with all things necessary to accomplish its mission. The home is not the product of evolution. It cannot be improved upon by man. But just as men have sought to improve upon God's plan for the organization, work and worship of the church, so they have tried to improve God's plan for the home. Polygamy, divorce and remarriage, "trial marriage," and other forms of immorality are man's attempts to "improve" the home. Men need to learn that God doesn't operate by trial and error methods. The home as God ordained is abundantly sufficient, even in this modern age, to accomplish what God intended.
Shortly after the creation, man corrupted his way before God and the home too was corrupted. Polygamy on the one hand and divorce on the other were among the corrupting forces. During the Patriarchal and Jewish eras polygamy and divorce were tolerated by the Lord because of the hardness of man's heart, but when Jesus came upon the scene he pointed men back to the home as it was in the beginning. "Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder" (Matt. 19:4-6). When asked why Moses commanded divorce, Jesus replied: "Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adulteryz and whose, marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery" (Matt. 19:8, 9).
Christ restored woman's place in the home to that which God ordained in the beginning. She is to be the one and only companion her husband has. He is to love her as his own body and as Christ loved the church. He cannot put her away for another, unless she proves unfaithful. What a contrast there is between God's plan for woman in the home and the corruptions which men have introduced!
Eve's Place in the Fall
God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Eve fullv understood this command and the penalty for its violation, but she was deceived bv the devil. When she was tempted she reached forth her hand, plucked the fruit and ate of it. She gave unto her husband and he joined her in the transgression. They were, consequently, driven from the Garden of Eden and the tree of life. God said unto Eve, "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children ; and thy desire shall be unto thy husband, and he shall rule over thee" (Gen. 3:16). Paul refers to woman's part in the transgression and gives it as a reason for her subjection to man and for the prohibition against her teaching or usurping authority over man (I Tim. 2:11-14). Women, therefore, cannot serve in the Lord's church as elders, deacons, evangelists or as teachers when the teaching is over men.
God fearing women respect God's law. They recognize the purpose for their existence. They realize what their duties are and endeavor to carry them out. They seek not to usurp authority in the church or in the home. They are the women who are towers of strength for truth and righteousness and whose price is far above

Not for Jesus hes already won

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Yeshuah ha moshiach Jesus of Nazareth

Because only God can see through mans heart

RUACH did not mean God's Spirit upon the water either, but it meant something causing a wind on the water that looked like this:

[link to projectavalon.net]

Looks like a UFO to me?

OP make sure you get a New Jerusalem calendar. Click on the link.

Sun Nov 9/10/13

Jesus Christ is the only literal reflection and biological son of God he is a literal projection of God as a man because we cannot look upon God s face as men Jesus is the face we see He is God

God created only one son one reflection and through that first reflection he created adam Through Jesus he created the universe the world and man

Text of the Old Testament

1.The Premasoretic Period.
1.The Masoretic Text.
2.The Earlier Text.
3.Change in Style of Writing.
4.Attempts to Fix the Text
5.The Pronunciation Fixed, but the Text Still Unvocalized
6.Word-Division
7.Division into Verses
8.Division into Sections
2.The Masoretic Period
1.The Masoretes
2.Their Work
3.Codices
3.The Postmasoretic Period
1.The Chapter-Division
2.Old Testament Manuscripts
3.The Printed Text
4.Critical Works and Commentaries


[link to www.bible-researcher.com]

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Is this in reply tona question?

I think the same as Brightstarz.

Watch the wording here it is important:

10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

Verse 11 now art thou cursed--not now I curse you--I it important to see the God did not curse him Cain took the curse upon himself by his actions. This is about atonement. An attempt to bring the scales back to the good side. The burden Cain carries is in direct result for his actions and in order to appease that, because Cain knew now where ever he went within that small population that all would seek to kill him for his actions, God placed a mark and said whosoever would slay Cain vengeance would be sevenfold. This is God vengeance in an attempt to stem further falling away.

Move this example up to modern day where born again believers carry a curse stemming from our struggles with sin. Our work is to overcome them or the cycle will continue with later generations. The goal was the same then as it is today that these curses and these sins do not promulgate into prosperity. I carries over into Judaism through the diaspora that continues to this day.

Jesus died for our sins it is finished