Little girl has an NDE, she then shocks her Mom with a message, from the other side

Your full of bullshit, Bubba. I had a NDE. Saw God, 2 angels. It is REAL. God is REAL. Heaven is REAL.


Not kidding. Not lying.

FACT, Bubba.

Thanks!

Most Christians rely on religion as an emotional crutch.

As religion relies on the unprovable, they become easy prey for other mystical experiences,which they then try to incorporate into their belief system, in order to bolster their dwindling faith.

As you respect science and do not resort to anger,I suspect your faith is much stronger than the other 'religious' posters on this thread.



(PS-Notice how they are not trying to debunk the links I posted-I wonder why?)

Last Edited by IntoTheLight on 02/01/2014 03:24 PM

Again, why would someone else's NDE vision be false ie., some contest between religion and science.

Neither of these systems of though and belief are reality necessarily.

Opinion is not reality. Science (as it lays) is too embryonic even in basic bodily cause and effect...it's true.

Now if we're talking people having NDE experiences within the framework of their beliefs..who said it was ABSOLUTE truth and why would it have to be in the first place. That is an expectation purely.

Even though I really have no solid 'beliefs' going on to color my statements, do try to be objectively generous at the same time.

you should open a history book once and while. Mercenaries were common even in regular armies.

I got in trouble alot from my CO for not following orders, but i was kept around because i could get the job done. Murder? i never fired my weapon once unless we were attacked first. typically drove around in an LAV and was deployed after the enemy had started pounding it with RPG's.

I had a NDE in Afganistan, wanna know what i saw? i saw a bright light, and everything slowly became dark. so these people claiming they see god and other nonsense are already mentally unstable before the NDE

Dawasatso I am saying there is no link between heaven and NDE.
They both exist but they are not linked.
It is a false vision,

NDE's are BULLSHIT!
Until you have one. Then your understanding of things changes.

I wouldn't say this is a delusion, there are far too many cases of people who are seeing things, which can then be verified to be actually true after the experience.

Also, for many, recalling the experience can be emotional, and also they have a challenge of trying to put words to an ineffable experience. For example, many have seen colors, which don't exist on this Earth. And the laws of time, space, and physics are different, from their description of that realm, so again, this makes it even more challenging to describe.

Also that vid is about an hour long, and you replied to my post, only after a few minutes, of me posting the vid. So, before making assumptions, it may be best to watch the 1 hour long video, for more than few minutes, before jumping to conclusions.

Apparently you don't know Christ. I would suggest you accept Christ as your personal Savior today so you don't go to the darkness but go to Heaven.

I was in Heaven, Bubbah.

Blue sky, green grass, flowers, rolling hills. Beautiful. I saw a gravel road, a split-rail fence, and 2 angels and what I believe was God. Then I was returned here as there was more work to do.

If you don't mind, would love to hear all about it.

Death is the outward sign of a transition. People have had a NDE and didn't go to Heaven.

Had one in Afganistan. I saw bright light, and then darkness and nothing more until i woke up in a hosptial bed. I took the shards of an exploded RPG into my neck as i was foolish enough to be outside the LAV in enemy territory. According to the doc who stiched me up i should have been dead twice over from the injury to my carotid artery.

Who cares about clinical.

You shared your opinion, thanks.

Science and proof is in the eye of the beholder, not some Satanic medical school meme.

[link to youtu.be]

Why would i accept something illogical? The darkness i experienced is what happens when you loose too much blood, if i had lost anymore i would have been dead beyond repair.

Even the most hard ass christians we had even admit there was nothing when they went dark, just darkness until they woke up after being stiched up.

I believe it was his biological sister that he met during his NDE. He had some type of 'guide' that he interacted with during his NDE and months later he decided to try to connect with his biological family (whom he had not met) and he was sent a picture of his biological sister who was 'deceased' at the time of his NDE. He recognized her as the 'guide' that he interacted with during his NDE...

I did not read his book but this is what I recall from listening to a 2 hour interview that he did....

RE: deciding to go back instead of staying.

They have ways of making you believe you made the decision
partially because you would be pissed off having to leave
and wouldn't go if you had the chance by the time they are done screwing your mind up, you can see how your thoughts become influenced towards believing the free will is honored when you actually get the feeling your under the influence of suggestion and likely because she was going to return due to being revived or placed back from the other side
which comes to a point of contention when there are deliberately contrived circumstances for things like book deals ect.

spirits also blab about stuff and it is fairly simple to make an educated guess or repeat what you heard
because it's all in a time warp and there would be many, even the spirit of her mother there that could send the message along for the return journey, barring too much outside interference (usually only possible and achieved by evil people using their built up evil as defense so they can gain other worldly knowledge through proxy like psychics
so they can lounge around in the holy places conveying forbidden knowledge

LOL, I don't agree with someone therefore they are stupid!?!?!

How do you know heaven and earth or through an NDE don't meet from time to time.

Wouldn't you need to intimately know the nature of your concept of heaven (image/projection/idea) to claim they are not linked?
You would need to be very solid in your understanding of "heaven" in an objective sense to claim others are having false vision.

Unless you can objectify you can only come up with an "idea".

I'm saying certain ideas are ok.
Varied experiences are quite alright.
There is no real right and wrong in complex experience which doesn't fit preconceived ideas.
Our brain can't conceive beyond temporary changing images, so we design images we can handle....
But those images are still inadequate to make concrete.

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Yeah that happened to my bro when he lost his kidneys at an early age. Doctors found a match from a young boy and the operation didn't go well. He told me that as the doctors worked on him, he left his body and floated above the operating table and watched what was happening. He said he was there for a couple of minutes and them went back into his body.

After the operation and he was able to talk. He told the nurses everything they said while they were trying to bring him back. They were astonished because how could he have known. Anyways a few years later, I gave him one of mine and still doing good 15 years later.

Here's a few considerations.

Based on the findings of NDE researchers, when people are clinically dead, only 20 to 40% will have an NDE.

Also the NDE experience can be varied. For example, some can be negative and frightening, and some will positive and heavenly.

Also, here's a mistake I see some make, who do have NDEs. They may have a specific type of experience. Based on this one personal experience, they then mistakenly assume all other people will have the same specific type of NDE experience, that they also experienced.

So lets take your example, you stated you saw a bright flash, and then everything went dark. One was this a true NDE experience, for example did your heart stop in this experience? Also, even if you personally saw this bright flash, and everything went dark, when all other NDEs are examined from other people, we learn that certainly not everyone experiences this exact same type of NDE.

I am Former soldier of Princess Patricia's Canadian light infantry and i had my own NDE in Afganistan. I disagree with the Marine because i never experienced nothing more than darkness from a loss of too much blood.

after that silence and nothing more until i woke in the hosptial wondering how the hell i survived that with just a big scar and some stiches.

Unless you don't have a soul. You could be a robohuman. Its been estimated that 25% of humans have souls, the others were manufactured and will not have further incarnations.

Also the poster being a clinician, doesn't say much

since

There are also doctors, and PhDs, who are NDE researchers, and do believe some of them are real experiences.

These people, would disagree with the clinician poster.

there is no beleif. You loose to much blood and you're gonna get a NDE. All soldiers knew that if we lost too much blood we were dead. Only Christian soldiers prior to their injury talked about that heaven crap but as soon as they were wounded and returned all that nonsense stopped (aside from their regular beleifs).

Successful agaisnt an LAV? my friend let me tell you, success was not happening for the enemy attackers. when you get attacked in Afganistan its in one of 3 ways. First the IED you're likely to run over in a convovy. The second is from an enemy ambush set up to hit an LAV as it travels in a tight space. The Third is when that LAV commander deploys your ass outside because he cannot handle all the attackers by himself.

In Canada, i was poor, so i needed money thought being a soldier was a good way to earn it. politics held no place in it.

I've see where they have tried to debunk NDEs by with people in centrifuges and so forth. The test subjects experienced some of the things NDEs do but nothing that dramatically changes their life as happens with NDEs. I have met a few people that have had these things. I have no reason to doubt what they have told me, doesn't sound like fantasy.