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Newshunter User ID: 22884594 United States 04/04/2014 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk said the latest move, two weeks after Moscow annexed Ukraine’s Crimea region, was unacceptable and warned that he expected Russia to increase pressure on Kiev by limiting supply to his country. “There is no reason why Russia would raise the gas price for Ukraine … other than one – politics,” Yatseniuk told Reuters in an interview in the Ukrainian capital Kiev. “We expect Russia to go further in terms of pressure on the gas front, including limiting gas supplies to Ukraine.” While Ukraine seems like it may fight the decision in the international courts, this is another example of how Ukraine’s dependence on Russia will be a hard habit to break, as Ukraine still depends on Russia for about 50% of its gas imports. [link to www.interpretermag.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54622593 Ukraine 04/04/2014 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Belgium riot police have clashed with union workers protesting against austerity measures near the US Embassy in Brussels, using water cannons to disperse the demonstrators. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7901784 And... Ukraine is looking to join EU?? well, that should give you a rough idea what life in Ukraine is like. Ukrainian people went through that and won. |
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Newshunter User ID: 22884594 United States 04/04/2014 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Dmitry Rogozin‏@DRogozin·52 mins Vice-Premier Rogozin: Russian Army will become one of the best equipped in the world by 2020 [link to russian.rt.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49781416 United States 04/04/2014 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 United States need to be forcefully kicked out of Europe and see their illegal occupation of Germany end. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49781416 I am Europian and i say that US of A should stay here. You "canadian" comrades do whatever you fucking like in your nik of woods. The opinions of fags, liberals, and blacks don't count. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7901784 United States 04/04/2014 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 United States need to be forcefully kicked out of Europe and see their illegal occupation of Germany end. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49781416 I am Europian and i say that US of A should stay here. You "canadian" comrades do whatever you fucking like in your nik of woods. The opinions of fags, liberals, and blacks don't count. LOL LOL |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56408965 Croatia 04/04/2014 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 United States need to be forcefully kicked out of Europe and see their illegal occupation of Germany end. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49781416 I am Europian and i say that US of A should stay here. You "canadian" comrades do whatever you fucking like in your nik of woods. The opinions of fags, liberals, and blacks don't count. agreed. That's why likes of you should stay out of Europe. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7901784 United States 04/04/2014 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 "Ukraine is planning to agree reverse supplies of natural gas with Europe, but still needs Russian gas to satisfy the demands of its economy," Ukrainian Energy Minister Yuri Prodan said Friday. [link to voiceofrussia.com] So, Russia sales the GAS to Europe via Ukraine pipe lines and Ukraine will buy GAS from Europe bypassing Russian sale. WOW!!! What a deal!!! LOL LOL |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49781416 United States 04/04/2014 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 United States need to be forcefully kicked out of Europe and see their illegal occupation of Germany end. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49781416 I am Europian and i say that US of A should stay here. You "canadian" comrades do whatever you fucking like in your nik of woods. The opinions of fags, liberals, and blacks don't count. agreed. That's why likes of you should stay out of Europe. Liberals, blacks, and jews are the vanguard of the United States of Amerikwa. They represent the apex of its distributed culture. Putting an Amerikwan military base in your city or town is the equivalent of importing thousands of bush naggers right out of Apefrica. You may as well just start snatching your kids out of school and forcefully circumcising them, too. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56430216 Uruguay 04/04/2014 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Euromaidan PR‏@EuromaidanPR·5m Quoting: Newshunter #UK's William #Hague: we haven't seen real de-escalation by #Russia, Europe must not relax in preparing a third tier of sanctions. reeuuters What he really wants to say is "Russia is not giving back Crimea, they are still saying we violated International Law and that the current Kiev Government is not legal therefore we won't talk to them" So lets stop with the poking and cornering, now we'll just start slapping the crap out of Putin and pull a gun on him so he finally does what we want. Either budge or set off the War. Now that's just rhetorically, but that's what it seems like they're gonna do. Watch Putin smack the gun out of their hands and give them a swift kick in the nuts that will make them regret what they did. They won't get shit back and they won't get WWIII. Man these people are so dumb for trying to screw with Russia. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56430216 Uruguay 04/04/2014 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 United States need to be forcefully kicked out of Europe and see their illegal occupation of Germany end. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49781416 ... and in Italy too. As a matter of fact, why doesn't the US just go home already. They are everywhere and constantly occupying some country or having their troops stationed there, citing threats for their national security of a country on the other end of the world. What the heck, isn't it time they leave. GO HOME USA! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50769403 United States 04/04/2014 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Euromaidan PR‏@EuromaidanPR·5m Quoting: Newshunter #UK's William #Hague: we haven't seen real de-escalation by #Russia, Europe must not relax in preparing a third tier of sanctions. reeuuters What he really wants to say is "Russia is not giving back Crimea, they are still saying we violated International Law and that the current Kiev Government is not legal therefore we won't talk to them" So lets stop with the poking and cornering, now we'll just start slapping the crap out of Putin and pull a gun on him so he finally does what we want. Either budge or set off the War. Now that's just rhetorically, but that's what it seems like they're gonna do. Watch Putin smack the gun out of their hands and give them a swift kick in the nuts that will make them regret what they did. They won't get shit back and they won't get WWIII. Man these people are so dumb for trying to screw with Russia. Let's focus on Crimea and Putin as other land grabs go on unabated for decades while the US and UN and EU look the other way and financially assist the land grabbers. Since 1967, Israel has established over 150 settlements and some 100 outposts in the occupied West Bank, with a settler population of 520,000, according to OCHA. [link to www.imemc.org] Hypocrisy doesn't begin to define it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56387029 Portugal 04/04/2014 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 RT ‏@RT_com · 32 min Gas prices in Europe to rise 50%, if it abandons Russia’s supplies – Energy Minister [link to on.rt.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56408965 Croatia 04/04/2014 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56408965 I am Europian and i say that US of A should stay here. You "canadian" comrades do whatever you fucking like in your nik of woods. The opinions of fags, liberals, and blacks don't count. agreed. That's why likes of you should stay out of Europe. Liberals, blacks, and jews are the vanguard of the United States of Amerikwa. They represent the apex of its distributed culture. Putting an Amerikwan military base in your city or town is the equivalent of importing thousands of bush naggers right out of Apefrica. You may as well just start snatching your kids out of school and forcefully circumcising them, too. Stick to "Canada", comrade and leave me in my home town to do what I think is right, OK? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54622593 Ukraine 04/04/2014 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 "Ukraine is planning to agree reverse supplies of natural gas with Europe, but still needs Russian gas to satisfy the demands of its economy," Ukrainian Energy Minister Yuri Prodan said Friday. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7901784 [link to voiceofrussia.com] So, Russia sales the GAS to Europe via Ukraine pipe lines and Ukraine will buy GAS from Europe bypassing Russian sale. WOW!!! What a deal!!! LOL LOL Russia has never, ever been kind to Ukraine. |
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MaybeTrollingU User ID: 48692360 Brazil 04/04/2014 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @euromaidanpr: Big part of Ukrainian mil equipment withdrawn from #Crimea was damaged by #Russian occupant troops, some items seized. ukrpravda |PR News Quoting: Newshunter Pity Ukraine didn't have bombs set on the ships Russia stole. Sailors could at least farted like there's no tomorrow... They can steal it, but they'll smell it! |
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< DL > User ID: 11619293 United States 04/04/2014 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Euromaidan PR‏@EuromaidanPR·3 mins EU doesn’t see #Russia withdrawing its troops from #Ukraine border & preparing new sanctions [link to www.5.ua] … |
Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/04/2014 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 What does "economic coercion" mean under international law, and what did Russia do specifically to "economically coerce" Ukraine? Quoting: Sun_dancer You seem to use the word "punishment" as if it means "economic coercion", but there are not the same terms. "Economic coercion" is a specific legal term. Unless you know what it means, you are in no position to accuse anyone of doing this. And what specific acts do you contend were "economic coercion" (as defined by international law, not as you may imagine it is defined not knowing anything about it)? You can google it and see how Putin threatened Ukraine with economic retaliation in early to mid 2013, long before Maidan. I know some things along those lines have happened, I just don't know which act in particular you claim is "economic coercion". You have used words "punishment" and now "retaliation" but the key words are "economic coercion". And you still haven't defined what it means - I take it, it is because you don't know. It's a quite narrow concept AFAICT - I think it is limited to cutting off a vital resource for no reason. For example, if Russia said, we will cut off your gas and oil unless you give us Crimea - that would be economic coercion. Sanctions are another form of economic coercion - so what the "West" is currently doing to Russia, that may very well fall under "economic coercion". I just don't know exactly what the words mean :). But "we will cease granting you favorable trade tariffs if you join EU because it would harm our domestic industries", that to me clearly is not. Even if the result is economically damaging to the other side. I was referring to the principle of international law, encapsulated in Article 2(4) of the UN Charter and section 2 of the Budapest Memo, to "refrain from the ... use of force against the ... political independence of Ukraine". Quoting: Sun_dancer If one country hires an armed mob to take over the capital of a country and install a puppet regime, I would consider it a violation of those provisions. And to a large extent, that is what happened in Kiev. If the US/EU would have stayed completely out of it, there would have been no violation; but they did not. The hiring of the armed mob has to be proven. It generally can't. Besides, this wasn't the first turmoil/revolution in Ukraine. If there was a violation then Russia should have went at the UN and presented her case to the UNSC prior to sending troops. As stipulated by the Budapest Memorandum. Russia first sent troops, secured the Crimea, prepared the referendum and then started talking at the UNSC. We do have Nuland confessing to spend $5 billion on "democracy" in Ukraine. There is plenty of evidence of various government-funded NGOs being involved in the process. Maybe you will itemize how all that money was spent? Writing a syllabus for a course on civic virtues? Some of the support and interference was, however, incontrovertible. When the radicals among the protesters were throwing molotov cocktails and bricks at police, the EU and US were warning Yanukovych and Ukraine of sanctions and other punishment if the government tried to restore order. Then you had US/EU politicians going on stage and encouraging the protesters to instigate regime change. These acts are enough to violate the Budapest Memorandum. Now if you want to get onto level of "proof", you cannot prove a single person in Crimea involved in Crimea's bid for independence was a Russian soldier, can you? Some of the guys were clearly Russian military, but these guys were legally on Crimean land. As you know, Russia has a lot of actual military bases there. Some probably went off base when not allowed to by the coup government, but if one takes the view that the coup government is illegitimate, who cares what they say. Quoting: Sun_dancer The obligations of the Russian soldiers were to respect the basing deal Russia signed with Ukraine. Just because a government may be disputed or a country's leadership interim until new elections doesn't mean foreign soldiers based in a country can start to act as they please. The basing agreement allowed Russia forces to leave the base, though I don't know the exact circumstances. But the constitutional president of Ukraine asked for Russian military help to maintain order - that's enough to allow them off the base under the agreements, I would think, I can't say for sure as I don't have the agreements in front of me :). But I think that this will actually end up in the courts if Ukraine has a case - since the junta government has threatened to sue to get Crimea back. At that point, we can see how strong their arguments are! Sun_dancer |
Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/04/2014 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56280941 my previous post was directed at you Polyfartos, not to Sun Dancer, to whom I apologize. Ukrainean assassin Krustchew stole Crimea from Russia and now the Ukrainean unfairness was amended, and in a fair way, via free referendum. In 1954 Krustchew did not ask anybody, there was no referendum. Btw If Moldova would be attached back to Romania by referendum, would your foul rhetorics be the same? Unless you are after fresh lobotomy, you must know that it is not Putin who presses the world over the abyss rim, but the khazar greedy pimps who are pimping US political scene. Or are you one of them? So Romania doing in Moldova what Russia did in Crimea? Oh my what an interesting thought. Russia would throw such a girly hissy fit over that.... Russians would cry and moan and bitch about it like there's no tomorrow. And they would oppose it. Because they have opposed these ideas since the collapse of the USSR. Oh yes poor Putler, he wants peace and only peace but it's the Joos who are pushing the world to world war.... Please.... LOL, you got that right about US doing exactly the same about Crimea! The question is what would you Russia tards do if Romania did exactly what Russia did? I bet you would tow the Moscow line and say it's illegal and shit. Hard as it may be to believe, thinking that Russia behaved properly with Crimea does not mean anyone is towing anyone else's line. I've stated before, even if technically there were some violations of law in Crimea's return to Russia, in the end, I don't see any evil in it - indeed I see a lot of good in it. Crimea is Russia. It was part of a historical "catastrophe", as Putin put it, now it is corrected. You might feel the same way if by decree of a Communist dictator who took power in US by force, Texas was transferred to Mexico and Texans were clammering to come back. And then some US president found a peaceful way, without any deaths or even injuries and without even threatening war against Mexico, to take Texas back, with support of 90% of Texans (maybe some of the Mexicans favored staying in Mexico). You would probably worship the US president as a hero! :). Sun_dancer |
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