This Sunday Mornings Sermon Is: Jesus Never Saved Or Converted One Human Being

Why the hit and run with the 1 star without a scriptural reprove ?

The one star bandit is always lurking behind the scenes. So what you are saying is basically the Holy Spirit was not released in the Apostles until Jesus died?

Since you ask so nicely here is one to remind you that God is a trinity. Jesus is part of that.

John 16:7

King James Version (KJV)

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

No I think he is saying something more along these lines

In this and other verses we find Jesus saying it is the father/god that speaks through him. So in all his utterances we can see that it is the father/ god / christ that operates through the man. The man is but a tool for spirit to express through. Jesus was a man who the christ indwelt.

John 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Again we must keep in mind that it is the father/god/christ speaking'

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Galatians 4:19, “My children, with whom I travail again in birth until Christ is formed in you, -

My interpretation is that the only way to the father is through the indwelling christ.

Last Edited by talkstory on 03/23/2014 10:33 AM

This is correct.

Please explain scripturally the "Trinity" Specifically the Equality of this trinity when the scriptures tell us:

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Where is the equality in this ?

Your title is incorrect and sows confusion into Gods Word.
The author of confusion is the devil. Guess you forgot about the thief on the cross!

There is no confusion. The word of God is quit clear. In addition the thief on the cross is a great testament to God love and the Spirit of the Father that drew the thief to the realization that it was truly the SON OF GOD that was hanging on the cross with him for THE THIEFS SIN.

See, one of the biggest problems for people to accept what was written to man in the word of God about what truly took place is that most of men refuse to accept that Christ was and is the "Son of God" as it is written. Men have decided to turn it to the opposite and say No! he is NOT the Son of God, But Rather we will say he is " GOD THE SON "

Lol! Those folk are mentally disturbed

Thanks for the question. First about equality, whether the three are equal is not the question. There are three persons in the one God. That is the point there and they are equal by the way, at least to Christians they are. That is the doctrine.

You see the comforter is the Holy Spirit and Jesus says above, "but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

If you don't believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh then you believe Him to be a liar. A lie is a serious sin to God. So is leading his sheep astray when you know because you've been told.

Are you so sure that when you do meet your maker you will be able to say to Jesus no I didn't really need you to pay for my sins. Here let me speak directly to the Father and straighten this out will ya?

Last Edited by Forge on 03/24/2014 04:00 PM

Forge, Luke 1: 34-35 does not bear out "a trinity". It rather shows Father God's force or power created the human Jesus Christ. Christ NEVER called the Holy Spirit Father either. End of supposition!

but but its doctrine./end ignorance.

"Uselessly they do worship ME with their lips, but their hearts are from Me for they follow the commands and DOCTRINES of men..."! Blind guides I say!

You are correct that the Holy Spirit is not God the Father. There is more to it than that though.

Luke 1:34-35

King James Version (KJV)

34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

You can also see that the Holy Ghost is God according to the KJV since Jesus was called the Son of God. So right there you have the Father and the Holy Ghost defined as God since the power of the Highest was to come over Mary.

That would make at the very least a God with two persons unless the Holy Ghost was higher than the Father. Now you only need to find where Jesus and the Holy Ghost are the same God or Jesus and the Father are the same and you will be aware that all three are one.

You will also see if you keep looking that Jesus says the Father and I are one. Doctrine is only a word that describes what one believes in. The belief of Christians, Christians that is their doctrine is that God is a triune God. Three persons in one God.

If you do not believe that then you are something other than Christian. Moslem believe in Allah, Buddhists in Buddha and so on, you get the point.

Didn't want to get into which religion is right or wrong just want to see people at least understand where their beliefs bring them. Jehovah Witnesses are somewhere between Jews and Christians I suppose not sure am I. One thing is they are not Christians.

If you do not believe that then you are something other than Christian.

Are you telling me that there were no christians before the nicean council created that doctrine?

I am telling you that all Christian bibles when read will lead one to understand that there is a Holy Trinity. God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit.

Why would a Jehovah Witness want to pass for a Christian anyway? They don't believe in the same God for starters. What they have done though is change the Scriptures to fit their beliefs.

A great example is in John 1 where it says that the Word was God and the Jehovah bible says a god. That changes the whole meaning and takes away the deity of the Word as God.

Actually John 1 shows God and the Word (Logos) in the Bible, no third person. Christ always said "My Father and I are one". The Holy Spirit is God's very Spirit or force and power.

Well let's see here. The Father and Jesus (the son) are one. And you say the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.

That makes three then doesn't it? The father and the son (two are one) and add the Holy Spirit in there to make...One

Three in one that is the mystery of the Trinity. All three equal all three different but one at the same time.

What is really important for a Christian that is, is to believe that Jesus Christ (the Son, the I am ) was made flesh. Born of a woman and was God at the same time was human and chose to die on the cross in order to redeem us and was resurrected from the dead.

As in Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: