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It's interesting to look at many of the "big points" within the official story and see evidence of it being created specifically to forestall lawsuits or otherwise avoid scrutiny.

In other words, it seems like every "big point" is meant to cover something that would otherwise be a big problem for staff, the school district, or the state.

Think about the 9:40 a.m. "final suicide shot." We have found that officers arrived at 9:39 a.m. but didn't enter the school until 9:46.

Remember the first stories to come out, saying that officers saw the shooter duck into a classroom and that he shot himself as they approached down the hall? Well, turns out officers finally got in side the school at 9:46, and, lo and behold, there is a single, loud gunshot (I'd say pistol shot, and I bet most of you would, too), at 9:46:54. It's an eerie sound. If anyone killed themselves with a pistol that day, that would be a shot to look at closely.

But that would mean kids were being shot from 9:39 to almost 9:47, or could have been.

So instead, a 9:40 shot is created, to cover the fact officers didn't/couldn't get into the school for seven minutes, but point out that "it didn't matter, anyway--the shooter was dead."

Coincidence: "Officers couldn't get into school, but it didn't matter--shooter was dead anyway."

Coincidence: "Dickenson Drive was swiftly blocked and ambulances were missing for half an hour, but it didn't matter--all victims were deceased anyway."

Coincidence: "Most of Room 8's victims perished because they were trapped in a bathroom, but it didn't matter--children in Room 12 achieved a 100% survival rate by doing the very same thing, anyway."

Coincidence: "There were only two ambulances available for the first half hour, but it didn't matter, because only two patients [later changed to three] needed transporting at that time, anyway."

Coincidence: "Ms. Pisani waited two hours for a third ambulance, but it didn't matter, because she didn't want to be transported any earlier anyway."

Coincidence: "The Newtown quadrunner couldn't get to the scene, but it didn't matter, because it was trapped from exiting the fire house, not trapped from going down Dickenson [!], anyway."

Coincidence: "The audio expert hired by the state police, Paul Ginsberg, recorded a loud gunshot at 9:46:54 a.m., but it turned out not to be a gunshot, anyway."

I'm sure there are more.
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And actually, I don't think these points were really designed to protect the staff, or probably even to protect the school district. My firm belief is that it was all about protecting the state.

Also, as the story became co-opted by gun legislation battles, it would have been clearly in the interest of those advocating for gun control for this to have been an act carried out by a single person with an assault rifle, and absolutely zero contributing factors to the death rate.

I.e. no one died as a result of any, other factor beyond the existence of that gun--no slow/missing ambulances, no problems with officers breaching the school, no unlocked doors, no multiple shooters, no state vehicles blocking patient transport, etc. Every single death had to be accounted for by being blameable on "the shooter and the gun," and no one else.

I don't think the needs of the state and the needs of powerful lobbies could have aligned any more perfectly.

But for those saying this was all planned ahead of time at the national level, specifically for this purpose, it was such an abysmal failure that I really question whether that was the case. If it was, then those quaking in their boots about government power and what-not can stop quaking.

That's why I lean more toward the cover-up being a massive, concerted State of Connecticut endeavor, with occasional strong national support. The State of Connecticut was already mired in the Travis the Chimp thing--one woman threatening the state with suit.

Now you have a case with much, much more clear liability on the state's part - 26 times over, and involving small children.

Of all the pro-official-story shills I've faced in the past year, nearly every one best fits the description of someone hired by a law office to "guide public opinion" on a case. I don't doubt some could be lent to the state from the feds, but I really feel the strongest motive to cover up the Sandy Hook story lies squarely in the government offices of the State of Connecticut.
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Of all the pro-official-story shills I've faced in the past year, nearly every one best fits the description of someone hired by a law office to "guide public opinion" on a case. I don't doubt some could be lent to the state from the feds, but I really feel the strongest motive to cover up the Sandy Hook story lies squarely in the government offices of the State of Connecticut.
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Totally wrong. Eric Holder was in Connecticut right before it happened, discussing a gun violence initiative with Malloy, yeah right.

Malloy said in his first statement, "we were spoken to, and told to expect something like this".

That's called mafiosa centrally controlled type operation.

"We were spoken to"

Who says that in which circumstances?
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Of all the pro-official-story shills I've faced in the past year, nearly every one best fits the description of someone hired by a law office to "guide public opinion" on a case. I don't doubt some could be lent to the state from the feds, but I really feel the strongest motive to cover up the Sandy Hook story lies squarely in the government offices of the State of Connecticut.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58026569

Totally wrong. Eric Holder was in Connecticut right before it happened, discussing a gun violence initiative with Malloy, yeah right.

Malloy said in his first statement, "we were spoken to, and told to expect something like this".

That's called mafiosa centrally controlled type operation.

"We were spoken to"

Who says that in which circumstances?
 Quoting: New Age Messiah


I agree that that falls into the category of Sandy Hook Coincidences, and a big one at that.

Holder was also allowed to see the "blood on the walls" and the crime scene photos. I wonder if the parents gave him permission to do that? What need did he have, personally, to see those? Didn't he believe it had happened?

Point being that there was no legal need for him to see the evidence - he simply felt compelled to.
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And actually, I don't think these points were really designed to protect the staff, or probably even to protect the school district. My firm belief is that it was all about protecting the state.

Also, as the story became co-opted by gun legislation battles, it would have been clearly in the interest of those advocating for gun control for this to have been an act carried out by a single person with an assault rifle, and absolutely zero contributing factors to the death rate.

I.e. no one died as a result of any, other factor beyond the existence of that gun--no slow/missing ambulances, no problems with officers breaching the school, no unlocked doors, no multiple shooters, no state vehicles blocking patient transport, etc. Every single death had to be accounted for by being blameable on "the shooter and the gun," and no one else.

I don't think the needs of the state and the needs of powerful lobbies could have aligned any more perfectly.

But for those saying this was all planned ahead of time at the national level, specifically for this purpose, it was such an abysmal failure that I really question whether that was the case. If it was, then those quaking in their boots about government power and what-not can stop quaking.

That's why I lean more toward the cover-up being a massive, concerted State of Connecticut endeavor, with occasional strong national support. The State of Connecticut was already mired in the Travis the Chimp thing--one woman threatening the state with suit.

Now you have a case with much, much more clear liability on the state's part - 26 times over, and involving small children.

Of all the pro-official-story shills I've faced in the past year, nearly every one best fits the description of someone hired by a law office to "guide public opinion" on a case. I don't doubt some could be lent to the state from the feds, but I really feel the strongest motive to cover up the Sandy Hook story lies squarely in the government offices of the State of Connecticut.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58026569


Nice post. Of course I view it differently but the pro-official-story shills can't have any detractions because they cannot put themselves in a position of explaining anything. They need everything clear as mud and one consistent story....an Urban Legend. Yeah I said it again.

Our quest for the absolute truth is an utter thorn in their side. The one thing that is actually quite consistent in this narrative is how they defend the story. Ones that question are insensitive tards that enjoy the misfortune of others.

That's why I think it's a drill. They meet detractors with anger and push the victims right in our path for their shield. If it were a real event there is no way the " families " would stand for the government using them for their agenda.

The anger they employ against the detractors is misplaced. It is not an emotional anger like that of someone that is hurt. It is an anger that looks to provoke and shame. It's the type of anger a child displays when you catch them in a lie and they are trying to get out of it. If the state is truly hiding something more heinous than a drill than this anger would be affecting much more. The town would not be unified it would be tearing apart.
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Point being that there was no legal need for him to see the evidence - he simply felt compelled to.
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He didn't feel anything, he doesn't feel anything.

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Great post. I am so glad ppl keep bringing up the sandy hook hoax.
My favorite coincidence:
Wayne Carver has the foresight to push through a new law preventing children's death info from public exactly 1 year prior to the "event."
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And actually, I don't think these points were really designed to protect the staff, or probably even to protect the school district. My firm belief is that it was all about protecting the state.

Also, as the story became co-opted by gun legislation battles, it would have been clearly in the interest of those advocating for gun control for this to have been an act carried out by a single person with an assault rifle, and absolutely zero contributing factors to the death rate.

I.e. no one died as a result of any, other factor beyond the existence of that gun--no slow/missing ambulances, no problems with officers breaching the school, no unlocked doors, no multiple shooters, no state vehicles blocking patient transport, etc. Every single death had to be accounted for by being blameable on "the shooter and the gun," and no one else.

I don't think the needs of the state and the needs of powerful lobbies could have aligned any more perfectly.

But for those saying this was all planned ahead of time at the national level, specifically for this purpose, it was such an abysmal failure that I really question whether that was the case. If it was, then those quaking in their boots about government power and what-not can stop quaking.

That's why I lean more toward the cover-up being a massive, concerted State of Connecticut endeavor, with occasional strong national support. The State of Connecticut was already mired in the Travis the Chimp thing--one woman threatening the state with suit.

Now you have a case with much, much more clear liability on the state's part - 26 times over, and involving small children.

Of all the pro-official-story shills I've faced in the past year, nearly every one best fits the description of someone hired by a law office to "guide public opinion" on a case. I don't doubt some could be lent to the state from the feds, but I really feel the strongest motive to cover up the Sandy Hook story lies squarely in the government offices of the State of Connecticut.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58026569


Nice post. Of course I view it differently but the pro-official-story shills can't have any detractions because they cannot put themselves in a position of explaining anything. They need everything clear as mud and one consistent story....an Urban Legend. Yeah I said it again.

Our quest for the absolute truth is an utter thorn in their side. The one thing that is actually quite consistent in this narrative is how they defend the story. Ones that question are insensitive tards that enjoy the misfortune of others.

That's why I think it's a drill. They meet detractors with anger and push the victims right in our path for their shield. If it were a real event there is no way the " families " would stand for the government using them for their agenda.

The anger they employ against the detractors is misplaced. It is not an emotional anger like that of someone that is hurt. It is an anger that looks to provoke and shame. It's the type of anger a child displays when you catch them in a lie and they are trying to get out of it. If the state is truly hiding something more heinous than a drill than this anger would be affecting much more. The town would not be unified it would be tearing apart.
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


So well put, D. I couldn't agree more about the type of anger. There's an irritation level to it that really fits a "defensive" position. And I think that's because most of them are hired by defense lawyers, or lawyers who find themselves in a defensive position on this particular case.
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Great post. I am so glad ppl keep bringing up the sandy hook hoax.
My favorite coincidence:
Wayne Carver has the foresight to push through a new law preventing children's death info from public exactly 1 year prior to the "event."
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Absolutely - extremely important coincidence on the growing list.
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How about this coincidence:

Rick Thorne's call lasts until after 9:51:31, according to the partial transcript in the final report, but the copy of the audio disseminated to the public just happens to be missing the last two minutes--therefore the loud gunshot Officer Penna heard at 9:51:31 is neatly removed.
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It's interesting to look at many of the "big points" within the official story and see evidence of it being created specifically to forestall lawsuits or otherwise avoid scrutiny.

In other words, it seems like every "big point" is meant to cover something that would otherwise be a big problem for staff, the school district, or the state.

Think about the 9:40 a.m. "final suicide shot." We have found that officers arrived at 9:39 a.m. but didn't enter the school until 9:46.

Remember the first stories to come out, saying that officers saw the shooter duck into a classroom and that he shot himself as they approached down the hall? Well, turns out officers finally got in side the school at 9:46, and, lo and behold, there is a single, loud gunshot (I'd say pistol shot, and I bet most of you would, too), at 9:46:54. It's an eerie sound. If anyone killed themselves with a pistol that day, that would be a shot to look at closely.

But that would mean kids were being shot from 9:39 to almost 9:47, or could have been.

So instead, a 9:40 shot is created, to cover the fact officers didn't/couldn't get into the school for seven minutes, but point out that "it didn't matter, anyway--the shooter was dead."

Coincidence: "Officers couldn't get into school, but it didn't matter--shooter was dead anyway."

Coincidence: "Dickenson Drive was swiftly blocked and ambulances were missing for half an hour, but it didn't matter--all victims were deceased anyway."

Coincidence: "Most of Room 8's victims perished because they were trapped in a bathroom, but it didn't matter--children in Room 12 achieved a 100% survival rate by doing the very same thing, anyway."

Coincidence: "There were only two ambulances available for the first half hour, but it didn't matter, because only two patients [later changed to three] needed transporting at that time, anyway."

Coincidence: "Ms. Pisani waited two hours for a third ambulance, but it didn't matter, because she didn't want to be transported any earlier anyway."

Coincidence: "The Newtown quadrunner couldn't get to the scene, but it didn't matter, because it was trapped from exiting the fire house, not trapped from going down Dickenson [!], anyway."

Coincidence: "The audio expert hired by the state police, Paul Ginsberg, recorded a loud gunshot at 9:46:54 a.m., but it turned out not to be a gunshot, anyway."

I'm sure there are more.
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What about this live recorded child interview that states she saw/talked to police while in the gym, they left, then the power went out, then more shooting happened (which goes directly against the officially told story).
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Or the fact that a DHS child disaster response course was being held less then 10 mins away, almost on the same road as the SH school...

Or the fact that an active school shooter drill was underway in the neighboring community of Putnam starting at almost the exact same second as the "Sandy Hook Event" or that Putnam ERT just minutes after hearing about the "real" event at SH, stopped their drill (and go figure the SH event stopped again almost to the second of this) and asked CT police if they needed help with the situation, to which CT police responded that no help was needed and the scene was "secure"... Meanwhile 3.5 hours later nurse Sally Bullshit Cox is first found inside the said to be "secure" school...

Or the fact that there was a out of state SWAT officer with an automatic weapon just wandering around behind the school (if you know anything about HSEEP, he was the onsite "controller")...
"Controllers set up and operate the exercise site, plan and manage exercise play, and act in the roles of response individuals and agencies that are not playing in the exercise. Controllers direct the pace of exercise play; they routinely include members of the Exercise Planning Team. They provide key data to players and may prompt or initiate certain players actions to ensure exercise continuity."

Or the fact that a new school was available and ready just weeks later to act as a replacement school for the children after the Christmas break (which was then later renamed to overwrite the original Sandy Hook school with an identical name)...

Blah, blah, blah...

Thing is such a joke.

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