VA Doctors defied Opiate Rules for Treating Vets

the fda is a sham. they know whats dangerous but the cocksuckers are in bed with big pharma, and we well know that its all about the money. fuck ppl.

I saw this last night on NBC. The VA i know does not give opiate maintenance.

The last thing I have heard from veterans is that they are being "over prescribed". Is this common?

My grower is a Vietnam veteran who tore his back up jumping out of helicopters and he can't have opiates because he is a medical cannabis patient. Despite all science to the contrary:

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In a paper published this month in Clinical Pharmacology & Therapeutics, researchers examined the interaction between cannabinoids and opiates in the first human study of its kind. They found the combination of the two components reduced pain more than using opiates alone, similar to results previously found in animal studies.

after five years of morphine for joint pain the bastards at the va cut me off. fuck them.

I sure hope they don't plan killing my pain meds. I have an appointment tomorrow with those morons, so I may be on the six o'clock news.

Yep, in 2006, the FL VA had me on Gabapetin, tramadoil for neuropathy pain, as well as ambien for no sleep, wellbutrin to stop smoking. Also for adhd they put me on retlin- all at the same time. I had to figure this out myself that this was not right while my mind was flying and I was hyper as heck. Oh and I complained of migraines, so they added Sumatriptin. Plus Claritin for allergies.

me too, they cut me off. I had to go to a private doctor.
I don't know of ANY vet that get opiates.

Most of the VA docs are dicks and Opiates are not an option.

Would you like some 800mg horse pills of motrin?

Whoa! Glad you are still with us!

they need to force the DEA to stop interfering with Medical Practice.

Oh ffs taking a valium with a perc is awesome.

It's taking multiple v's with multiple perc (sensationalism) that is very risky

They should look for but not limited to:
Imitrex and similar meds mixed with others that FDA MAY list as a deadly combination or lethal combination of meds.

It SEEMS a doctor, exploitative in his measures, appears to have been attempting to whack certain patients. Of course IF this holds true not only would it POSSIBLY expose nefarious groups, it MAY expose nefarious groups on a massive scale.

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I gues it's relative as to which VA Clinic and which Doctor one has.

I get 30mg 30 count script thru the VA for back pain, so ? Who Knows.

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I'm a US vet with MS and 4 herniated discs due to a training accident and a vaccine reaction. I took over 200 mg of morphine for over 10 years until my calf muscles were spazing so bad that I drank some cannibis tea. It worked in 20 minutes. The VA did a urine test a couple of weeks later, found weed in my system and cut me off all pain meds. These nazis who run the. VA should be lined up and shot for the pain they caused me and many many more vets

My husband's a vet. The VA turned him into a straight-up zombie with all of the medications they had him on. Things started to go downhill with the antidepressants, then oxy came along and oh holy hell! They dish that shit out like candy. I think they want vets to become addicts. Addicts tend to resort to crime and criminals lose their VA benefits! Hands clean.

for the night crowd

Dear God! Somebody tell me where these other VA hospitals are.

Take it from someone who knows how this works.

You are worth more to them ss a prison slave, so what the FDA's little game is, is this:

#1: They outlaw natural opiate pain killers like Poppy or even to a lesser degree opium.

#2. They invent forms of opium as strong as heroin, and sell it in oxycontin form, with patents & orders to only be available through government approved pharma companies.

#3. They cut off your prescription when you need it most.

#4. They want you to dive into the 'illegal' market, so you can make their illegitimate PIGS $50,000 a year, which is what you are worth to them sitting in a cell. This also contributes to funding the troops who bring in the majority of the opium from Afghanistan, and the banks who launder the money.



#5: Well you can guess how your life goes from this point.

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It depends on what your injury is and how much pain you have or can convince them you have. Just like anywhere else.

Poppy & Marijuana bad, GMO & Fluoride good!

Bless the FDA!

Vets go in asking for drugs,quit asking for the drugs and the doctors would be happy to comply then other people won't have to suffer going in to a doctor that expects them to ask for drugs and they don't understand why they did not.

My experience as a daughter of a Vet:

I'll tell you some examples of what kind of idiocy goes on because I took care of my Dad and escorted him to his VA appointments in his later years. He was a very sick man with a history of two types of cancer, (one was extremely rare), mental illness, and pain problems. Had to fight for him many times. It would shock people how broken the system is. What basically happens is that it's rare for them to keep a doctor for very long. As the doctors spin in and out of the revolving doors the veteran gets shuffled to new doctors with little to no say in who he gets. This leads to multiple and conflicting diagnoses and all kinds of problems.

Some of the docs practice effective pain management techniques for patients after x-rays and tests have confirmed the problem. They will prescribe opiates. The patient is given regular drug tests to ensure both that he's taking the proper amount of medication and no other illegal or unprescribed drugs are present. Also to test if it's in his system so they know the patient isn't not taking the meds and selling them, etc. If the patient has a history of addiction he will often be required to bring the pills to his appts so they can count them and confirm he's taking them on schedule although my dad never had to do that because he had no such history. The vet signs a contract that he won't ask for pain medicine from any other outside docs. If he violates any of those rules his pain meds are terminated. So, as long as he's following the rules and taking his medicine correctly, there really shouldn't be an issue.

But then, as is often the case, that doctor leaves and the patient gets thrown onto a new doc's list. Oftentimes you'll get a self righteous doc that "doesn't believe in pain medicine" and will just cut the prescriptions out cold turkey during their first appt with the patient with no stepping down or what have you because it goes against their religious or ideological beliefs. (We actually had one new female doc tell us that exact thing.) Every new pain management patient she received she immediately terminated their opiates across the board. It caused a MASSIVE pileup of sick people and it was a nightmare for the facility to sort out that went on for months. (I could tell you so many horror stories from my experiences over the years and my friendships and conversations with staff. There are good people there but they're fighting a broken system too.)

Now, cold turkey on opiates is no walk in the park for a young healthy person, although not usually fatal, but for a sick man in his seventies it's quite a strain on his physical and mental health, especially with no palliative care to ease him through it. The level of bureaucracy and red tape you have to go through to appeal the decision or be seen by another doc is insane and takes a lot of time and effort including filling out multiple forms, multiple phone conversations, meetings with various people. Meanwhile the veteran is suffering. If he or she has no one to help or advocate for them it's very difficult. It's quite common for pain management patients to go through years of this repeating over and over again. They really go through hell and feel like they're being discriminated against and it's no wonder they get so upset. Then when you get a vet that has no help and gets desperate from this kind of repetitive cruel treatment and throws a fit or something, it's easy for the staff to just label him a drug addict and he gets a bad reputation. It's so sad and cruel and unnecessary.

Also the wait times for tests are atrocious. My dad's melanoma cancer came back and moved to his organs. He figured it out on his own because he was in extreme organ pain and throwing up multiple times a day. He went to this same female doc who had just cut his pain meds and explained his symptoms and she said she couldn't treat him for cancer symptoms without an x-ray proving it had returned. The test was scheduled for eight months down the road. Day by day he got sicker and in more pain. So he did what many sick and desperate Vets end up having to do. He went outside the system and had a test done immediately and had his proof. We picked these x-rays and reports up and brought them to the VA and presented them to his doctor and asked them to be inserted into his record. We begged her to have a heart and help him. She refused, said she couldn't accept the x-rays and he would have to wait on the tests at the va facility. She wouldn't even look at them or take them in her hands. He was dead two months before the appt even arrived. Till the end he tried to work within the system and do the right thing because he believed in the bastards. I finally had to take him to the emergency room and have a er doc help us get him onto hospice care where he was finally given effective pain management. The ER docs and hospice were simply appalled at what he'd been through.

I am sorry to write such a long winded post but I spent years in those facilities helping dad and trying to help others. It broke me down seeing so many elders who served our country being treated so terribly and shamefully. They deserve so much more. It makes me cry thinking about it. I just want you to think about these people and see them as more than stereotypes and realize that many times they are being victimized by a broken system. It's a damn shame.

Sincerely,
Daughter of a Vet

Thanks, i still have migraines and allergies so I take only the 2 meds once in a while.