I've made a decision that is going to change my life and I hope the lives of others! I'll need all the strength I can muster.

GG, please start working it around in your mind that tobacco is a Sacred Herb, and that right now it is helping you in a temporary way through a bad place in life.

Modern people abuse tobacco, rather than respecting it.

Just kind of put a mental place marker in your mind that in the future you will begin to reorient your relationship with tobacco.

Right now it doesn't matter whether you are Native, with a Native traditional belief system or not. Tobacco is a native herb, and you are using it.

Go ahead and let it help you through this transition. Just respect it as the Medicine that it is.

Later on down the road, in months or years to come, you will be in a state of health to reevaluate how, when, or if you use it.

Right now, suspend judgement of yourself for letting it help you. Realize that you are using it as Medicine. And that like any Medicine, you will need to reevaluate its continued usage.

As a person recovering from one addiction, you will later in the future be in a good state of mind and spiritual strength to reevaluate your use of it from a "vice" to a Sacred Herb for occassional use, or one which you may choose not to use at all.

I would encourage you to thank our mutual Good Creator for the herb that is helping you through this time of life. Put a positive perspective on things through prayer and refreshed outlook.

Since I have already bared my soul here goes!! The fact my wife and children have found me blue and not breathing on more than one occasion has been a very traumatic experience for them!! They have found me essentualy dead. and just last week out of the blue I started seeing and talking to things that weren't there and falling down they got me to the hospital in time to fix things. They said that the narcotics were just building and building up in my system. it was at that point I decided that a change was in order

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Your very wise words are an inspiration to Many
You shed light on the path for all of us to walk
Bless you
Guitarguy66

You are so, so far from the first or the only to do the Lay There Nearly Dead with Barely a Pulse for Loved Ones to Find You thing.

Or the Stumble Into Furniture and Fall Down thing.

Or the Hospital Emergency Room thing.

You are in good company, Friend.

Shake that off. You don't have to do that any more.

You are already on DAY FOUR and are over a major, major hump.

Literally hundreds of thousands -- if not millions -- of us who are living, breathing and positively thriving today have done all that Big Drama Addict Crap and put it behind us.

You're not unique. Not by a long shot.



Man! It's OKAY.

Thank you so very much I would have never thought that so many would have rallied behind me and I thank God for you ALL
Much peace and Love to you and yours
Guitarguy55

Good for you OP. I had my back out for 7 months and could not walk. I said no to an operation and also the pain meds. Just dealt with the pain. I'm glad I did now, because everything is better and my back healed itself.

I take your words as a fortress to shield and protect me!!! I could never thank you enough you are truly a light in this world!!
Peace and Love
Guitarguy55

Hello Brother. I was in the same boat as you. Chronic Pain and Strong Narcotics for over a decade until it destroyed my health. A friend introduced me to herb and right then I knew we had been lied to about pain relievers. I was seriously addicted and I imagine you are as well. They work like an angel at first then turn to absolute hell that controls every minute of the day. After finding herb I got into eating a natural diet, Energy Healing, Qi Gong, and meditation. I never went down the Yoga road because my spine is full of metal and I have broken a rod before. Find people who can relate to you. Find someone who vibrates at your same frequency then learn to raise your vibration. Right now man made narcotics controls your vibration but as soon as you set your mind to it and do things that put you in a higher state of mind your body starts to heal and then you become a teacher. People around you will see you have changed and you will lose contact with people and then things you do today will be different than what you are doing next year. Your thoughts will change as you tame the demon that creates much of your suffering. You may always have pain because the pain is one of your teachers. Learn to silence it for a few minutes a day and then try for longer. Good Luck to you. You will find new friends when your vibration shifts. Yours may have shifted already some but it gets much stronger.

Peace

Good Luck. I doubt you will stop your 10 year opiate habit. No GOD and no amount of spirituality or your strength of will can have you prepared for the withdrawls that are coming. Unless you get on suboxone or go to a methadone clinic you're just talking shit and that's the reality of it. You won't last 2 days going through the withdrawls. In fact you are most likely to end up in the hospital trying to do what you are doing.

Honesty is always best. She can thank you that you were honest to her. I have an ex-husband after 28 years of marriage. I wasn't as lucky as your ex...in that he never did tell the truth of what is and what was.

Bless you that you did tell truth, no matter what the truth is. Prayers for you.

Thank you for the inspirational words and knowing that you understand gives me the impetus to march on and prevail through this!
Thank you my friend
May Peace and Love be with you always
Guitarguy55

Disregard this misinformation.

It would be easy for me to type out a huge scathing, profanity-laden rant about what stupid misinformation this is.

But I will let that go, and just label it as misinformation.

GG is already on DAY FOUR.

People like GG, myself, others here, and hundreds of thousands around the world DO find our way free.

We are living, breathing, thriving PROOF.

Keep strong, keep positive..

Hey OP, I'll tell you my experience with meds. This is just a partial story to keep it short.

I've been a paraplegic due to a spinal injury for over 11 years and right away they put me on two different muscle relaxers because of spasms.

I stopped taking them about 4 months ago. The first day was hell but once my body got used to NOT taking them, my spasms went down to normal and very controllable. It's good for me to have some spasms to keep muscle tissue.

They had me on two muscle relaxers that I was taking four times a day each. I have a lot of my movements and feeling back but not enough to walk. I still have to get around by wheelchair but I am medication free.

Those are only two of the medications of many that they had me on throughout my last 15+ years. My mind isn't clouded and foggy like it was then. I hope this helps. Do what you feel is right. I have done a lot of my own experimenting on myself.

Talking shit am I You don't even know me I am already on day 4 I have been through withdraws before You do not know the strength I am capable of!!I tefuse to trade one demon for another IE: Methadone/Suboxone so just piss off and leave me alone

Good Luck. I doubt you will stop your 10 year opiate habit. No GOD and no amount of spirituality or your strength of will can have you prepared for the withdrawls that are coming. Unless you get on suboxone or go to a methadone clinic you're just talking shit and that's the reality of it. You won't last 2 days going through the withdrawls. In fact you are most likely to end up in the hospital trying to do what you are doing.

I would also like to add YOU ADDED NOTHING in how you plan to battle your addition to OPIATES. Your SUPPORT GROUP IS NOTHING. How the FUCK do you plan on starting a support group when you are going to be in withdrawl? I can see it now. You're sitting with your support group going through full blown withdrawls shitting yourself and puking your brains out talking about some spirituality nonsense right? Dude come on. Let me give you some advice because I am more qualified than anyone here on this board. I was a heroin addict for 8 years and I am 9 years clean going on 10. You need to get on some type of maintenance program like I said before. The fact that you have STATED nothing about the options available for someone trying to come off of opiates just goes to show how ignorant you are. Do yourself a favor and start to research. If you have legit pain look into medical marijuana and the oils. But as I said before just about the most useless thing you can do is start some bullshit support group. That comes AFTER you have been able to stop taking opiates for a period of time. And I personally believe that the only person that can convince you to stop is yourself. I find any kind of STEP program or SUPPORT groups useless. Once you get on your suboxone or methadone treatment you can't stay on them for long. I would go with suboxone. Two to three months and then start tapering down until you are not taking anything. During this time you need to start EXERCISING and going to the gym. Also start eating healthy. There is a ton of planning that goes into trying to stop using opiates. You just don't wake up one day and tell yourself im fucked i need to stop, so tomorrow I am going to stop. That is the most retarded thing a person can do because that is how you end up in the hospital and how you end up relapsing. Please be realistic about this. If you have legit pain that needs medication and you are at this point where you need to stop just shows that you have been ABUSING your medication for the past 10 years. Otherwise if you took the medication like you were suppose to you would not have these problems. You must realize that there are some medication that you will be on for life for your problems until there is some kind of a permanent solution for it. Be real with yourself and go do some research.

Pain is neither a good or a bad thing.

Pain is information.

Some nerve is laying somewhere that it is not optimal for it to lay, so it sends a signal to the brain saying "Hey, do something about this." That is pain.

The body and brain can eventually, through training and practice, learn to distinguish information that is valid and actionable, from information that is either inaccurate or not actionable.

I am no expert on this, and have not experienced really bad chronic pain.

But I do know people who have gained a whole lot of relief through physical therapy, mental training, yoga, excercise, etc.

Explore non-drug pain relief technologies.

Its about teaching the brain to sift through information and to filter out the pain impulses that are not productive.

Hand over flame = Pain = Healthy, valid, useful information.

Old Injuries = Pain = Filter this out, because it is extraneous information.

Read my post above. You claim you are on day 4 of withdrawls? I SAY BULLSHIT! The last fucking thing an OPIATE addict would be doing after a 10 year habit is sitting on GODLIKEPRODUCTIONS posting REPLIES. STOP FUCKING LYING

I am so sorry that you are wheelchair bound but you have my respect that you did what you did and I hope for you continued recovery heath wise, as well as recovery from the meds.
Godspeed
Much peace and love to you
Guitarguy55

I am a realist and you sound like you are full of shit. When I was in WD's I was barely able to get out of bed. Let alone sit on a computer and reply to posts all day like you. Any person that has gone through withdrawls will agree with me. You claiming to be on day 4 of your WD's when all this time you have been on GLP posting replies only shows that you are full of shit. Don't start this demon god bullshit. This is the reality of being in withdrawls. Somehow you expect people who went through this shit to believe that you being a 10 year addict going through your first couple of days of withdralws are sitting here and posting on GLP the whole time. The last thing on your MIND would be to post of GLP. Why are you lying?

GG, I believe this individual needs escorted out of this discussion.

It's your thread. You have the power.

You are dealing with your (rapidly receeding!) addiction forthrightly and with great courage and integrity.

Most addicts are not ready for that.

You have already made a major milestone: DAY FOUR.

Don't let anyone drag you down because he or she has not made DAY FOUR.

You are already so beyond this.

Leave it in your dust!

You think I don't have the shits,runny nose,sneezing!!! I do.
I have been through withdraws before I sit here and deal with them now. I do no LIE!!! Until you know me how can you say that about me! go look at yourself in the mirror once and you might not like what looks back so I suggest that you leave me alone!!

Ok buddy. I won my battle with a 8 year heroin addiction and I am almost 10 years clean. Trust me I really like what I see in the mirror. I am also a realist. You should go look in the mirror yourself and get a reality check.

Dont listen to that fuckwit troll, he's a weak minded fool, probably couldn't handle it.

You can do it man, all your problems, the pain, the addiction are in YOUR MIND and as such are completely under your control. Unlock the power of your mind.

It will be hard but just remember the opiates probably didn't help the pain much in the end, you did that, your brain telling your body that it didn't hurt, unless you were on a huge dose, even then after years the effectiveness is pretty low.

Rootin for ya bud

And as you said, you are sitting in withdrawls AGAIN. So how many times have you done this? And how many times did you end up using again? Maybe you should take someone else advice before you start using again in the very NEAR future. Because it seems to me now this is what you have been doing. Trying to quit. Stop for a short while and then start again. Because let me tell you something buddy. Unless you LOVE TORTURING yourself by going through withdrawls all the time I don't see how you are going through this AGAIN. And if you are going through them AGAIN it just goes to show that your METHODS are not working.

The way I have learned to see it is, I wouldn't know what I do now or have learned what I have if I wasn't put in this position.

It's not easy but it wasn't meant to be. Everyone has their own challenges and when you can overcome them and learn from them, you become wiser. I truly believe and have demonstrated mind over matter several times over.

I am the evil one? That's funny. The person who has been sober for almost 10 years after a 8 year HEROIN addiction is the EVIL one. Get fucking real you hippy.