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" "Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice."

What a total psychopath.
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" "Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice."
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He is an idiot who fell for the Devil's easiest trick. there is no god. but his time on earth is short compared to the eternity of suffering that awaits him
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" "Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice."
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I'm afraid so.

If it's a fetus lacking the capacity for thought, reason, the ability to feel pain or understand that it exists at all, terminating the pregnancy hurts no one.

Once it becomes a sentient human being capable of thought, feeling, emotion, etc., it will always understand then the real torture begins.

Don't give me the crap about how wonderful and happy children with Down's that are already born are - that is irrelevant.

No one is suggesting that you kill a sentient child or take back a life already aware of its existence - just that to prevent pain is better than allowing it to happen with full awareness that it is going to and doing nothing.

We are talking about probabilities.

Not killing sentient humans.

Dawkins is correct.

We don't mourn the 50% of all fertilized eggs that end in miscarriage naturally, there's no need to consider an embryo or fetus the equal of a born, sentient human.
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Why would someone let a child born with down syndrome suffer for the rest of its life?
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Oh the sheeple...

If the eugenics obsessed TPTB can convince you people to kill your own offspring....what can't they convince you of?

"It hurts no one" Is the biggest lie. I know women who have had abortions, and they are in pain almost everyday because of it. They admit it's the biggest regret of their lives
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" "Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice."

What a total psychopath.
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" "Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice."

What a total psychopath.
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hahaha that's sooo hilariously wrong.
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The handful of children I have known with Down's Syndrome have been awesome, wonderful, sweet people.

You love the children you're blessed with, you don't bitch about them not being the ones you wanted. If you do, you're not the type who should be having children in the first place.
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The handful of children I have known with Down's Syndrome have been awesome, wonderful, sweet people.

You love the children you're blessed with, you don't bitch about them not being the ones you wanted. If you do, you're not the type who should be having children in the first place.
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He is an idiot who fell for the Devil's easiest trick. there is no god. but his time on earth is short compared to the eternity of suffering that awaits him
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Prove it.
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The handful of children I have known with Down's Syndrome have been awesome, wonderful, sweet people.

You love the children you're blessed with, you don't bitch about them not being the ones you wanted. If you do, you're not the type who should be having children in the first place.
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Exactly...this is why wicked people see them as a threat. They hate those who walk a peaceful path. They OUTSHINE them.

They are SCARED of them.
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" "Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice."
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I'm afraid so.

If it's a fetus lacking the capacity for thought, reason, the ability to feel pain or understand that it exists at all, terminating the pregnancy hurts no one.

Once it becomes a sentient human being capable of thought, feeling, emotion, etc., it will always understand then the real torture begins.

Don't give me the crap about how wonderful and happy children with Down's that are already born are - that is irrelevant.

No one is suggesting that you kill a sentient child or take back a life already aware of its existence - just that to prevent pain is better than allowing it to happen with full awareness that it is going to and doing nothing.

We are talking about probabilities.

Not killing sentient humans.

Dawkins is correct.

We don't mourn the 50% of all fertilized eggs that end in miscarriage naturally, there's no need to consider an embryo or fetus the equal of a born, sentient human.
 Quoting: Em18966

how the hell do you know if a baby can or can't feel pain? Thinks or reasons? Feels emotions? Or when for that matter? One month? Two? Three?
How about we just abort those fetuses which will grow up cold and arrogant in their belief that a fetus can be shredded up like paper.
Have you ever given pause to the fact that you MIGHT be wrong. What if you find out a fetus could in fact feel pain? Cry? Be scared? What then?
What do you do then?
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Why would someone let a child born with down syndrome suffer for the rest of its life?
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Just because you are born "normal" doesn't mean you don't suffer. Ask Robin Williams.

And just because you have Down Syndrome doesn't mean you suffer. Suffer how? By being bullied and outcast? Because only someone who would DO that to a disabled person would think that.

LOOK IN THE MIRROR. It's you who suffers.
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The handful of children I have known with Down's Syndrome have been awesome, wonderful, sweet people.

You love the children you're blessed with, you don't bitch about them not being the ones you wanted. If you do, you're not the type who should be having children in the first place.
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Exactly...this is why wicked people see them as a threat. They hate those who walk a peaceful path. They OUTSHINE them.

They are SCARED of them.
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Amen!
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" "Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice."
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I'm afraid so.

If it's a fetus lacking the capacity for thought, reason, the ability to feel pain or understand that it exists at all, terminating the pregnancy hurts no one.

Once it becomes a sentient human being capable of thought, feeling, emotion, etc., it will always understand then the real torture begins.

Don't give me the crap about how wonderful and happy children with Down's that are already born are - that is irrelevant.

No one is suggesting that you kill a sentient child or take back a life already aware of its existence - just that to prevent pain is better than allowing it to happen with full awareness that it is going to and doing nothing.

We are talking about probabilities.

Not killing sentient humans.

Dawkins is correct.

We don't mourn the 50% of all fertilized eggs that end in miscarriage naturally, there's no need to consider an embryo or fetus the equal of a born, sentient human.
 Quoting: Em18966

how the hell do you know if a baby can or can't feel pain? Thinks or reasons? Feels emotions? Or when for that matter? One month? Two? Three?
How about we just abort those fetuses which will grow up cold and arrogant in their belief that a fetus can be shredded up like paper.
Have you ever given pause to the fact that you MIGHT be wrong. What if you find out a fetus could in fact feel pain? Cry? Be scared? What then?
What do you do then?
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If it were proven beyond a doubt that a fetus were consciously aware, I would indeed completely retract my opinion.

Obviously.

My opinion is that awareness and sentience demand priority over insentience and unawareness, and that there are degrees of sentience and that there is a sliding scale of right and wrong, black and white.

Is not a plant more precious than a rock?

A dog more precious than a fern?

A fish more precious than a pebble?

A chicken more precious than an egg?

I know people with Down;s, I've worked with the disabled my entire life, I would never take their life or say that they were undeserving of their existence.

They are some of the sweetest people you will ever meet, in general.

And in general, they would readily trade places with a non-genetically-compromised person in a split second.

They are aware of their differences and they feel inadequate because of them.

Perhaps that is only due to society, or maybe it's due to the fact that they recognize that they are missing out on something that other people have.

To spare them that pain is not cruel or inhumane, if they were never aware of their existence in the first place.

Again, I'm not saying kill born people, I am saying prevent people from being born genetically deficient in the first place.

We have allowed, through our misguided good intentions, humans to thrive and reproduce that a mere few decades ago would have died at birth or in childhood, never to pass their inferior genes down to the next generation.

We have allowed genetic abnormalities that would have weeded themselves out through the process of natural selection to grow unchecked and to infiltrate our gene-pool in epidemic proportions.

We may have doomed our entire species to extinction through our own attempts to 'do the right thing' because we believe we know better than nature and evolution how the human life cycle on this planet should progress.

We have done the harm, through our good intentions, and now we have reached a point in our technology that we can begin to undo some of the damage and fix some of the problems we have unwittingly caused.

We owe it to future generations to not do more damage that we know how to prevent.

I don't buy into your gawd delusions.

I believe that if their WAS a creator, it was much more likely a scientist in a lab situation, and that we would not have been endowed with this much intelligence if we were expected to forgo its use.

We have to clean up the messes we have made through our own short-sightedness and eagerness to preserve all life.

We owe it to the future to do the best thing for the species, not the few individuals among the species that may be lost.

Look at nature.

It is not the strongest or smartest that survives, but that which is most adaptable to change.

How adaptable can you be if you are dependent upon unnatural intervention simply to exist at all?

Our emotions have gotten the better of our common sense.
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~Founding Father James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”

28. “No religious doctrine shall be established by law.”
~Founding Father Elbridge Gerry, Annals of Congress 1:729-731

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Mama Dog comforts child with down syndrome. So moving.
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i'll take a child with Down's Syndrome over mr. dawkins any day.
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" "Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice."
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hesright
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I'm afraid so.

If it's a fetus lacking the capacity for thought, reason, the ability to feel pain or understand that it exists at all, terminating the pregnancy hurts no one.

Once it becomes a sentient human being capable of thought, feeling, emotion, etc., it will always understand then the real torture begins.

Don't give me the crap about how wonderful and happy children with Down's that are already born are - that is irrelevant.

No one is suggesting that you kill a sentient child or take back a life already aware of its existence - just that to prevent pain is better than allowing it to happen with full awareness that it is going to and doing nothing.

We are talking about probabilities.

Not killing sentient humans.

Dawkins is correct.

We don't mourn the 50% of all fertilized eggs that end in miscarriage naturally, there's no need to consider an embryo or fetus the equal of a born, sentient human.
 Quoting: Em18966


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they killed those babies pre 1800
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OK if we are going to start picking and choosing who is worthy of life, well I say kill everyone
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" "Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice."
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hesright
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I'm afraid so.

If it's a fetus lacking the capacity for thought, reason, the ability to feel pain or understand that it exists at all, terminating the pregnancy hurts no one.

Once it becomes a sentient human being capable of thought, feeling, emotion, etc., it will always understand then the real torture begins.

Don't give me the crap about how wonderful and happy children with Down's that are already born are - that is irrelevant.

No one is suggesting that you kill a sentient child or take back a life already aware of its existence - just that to prevent pain is better than allowing it to happen with full awareness that it is going to and doing nothing.

We are talking about probabilities.

Not killing sentient humans.

Dawkins is correct.

We don't mourn the 50% of all fertilized eggs that end in miscarriage naturally, there's no need to consider an embryo or fetus the equal of a born, sentient human.
 Quoting: Em18966


Shut up. You should have been aborted. How are you worthy of anything?
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He is an idiot who fell for the Devil's easiest trick. there is no god. but his time on earth is short compared to the eternity of suffering that awaits him
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Here's some more of that Christian love for ya...

The threats of Hell, lol, never gets old this one.
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Ima leave this here. I think arguing semantics on when life begins is futile. When you piss on the stick, two lines appear, your heart drops and you feel like you want to throw up...it's because you are fucking pregnant. I find it interesting that depending on the external circumstances, people change their viewpoint concerning abortion.
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We should make the whole world take a valid IQ test...if you don't have a certain range constituting intelligence, you should be shot. So that's ummm more than half the population
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" "Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice."
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hesright
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I'm afraid so.

If it's a fetus lacking the capacity for thought, reason, the ability to feel pain or understand that it exists at all, terminating the pregnancy hurts no one.

Once it becomes a sentient human being capable of thought, feeling, emotion, etc., it will always understand then the real torture begins.

Don't give me the crap about how wonderful and happy children with Down's that are already born are - that is irrelevant.

No one is suggesting that you kill a sentient child or take back a life already aware of its existence - just that to prevent pain is better than allowing it to happen with full awareness that it is going to and doing nothing.

We are talking about probabilities.

Not killing sentient humans.

Dawkins is correct.

We don't mourn the 50% of all fertilized eggs that end in miscarriage naturally, there's no need to consider an embryo or fetus the equal of a born, sentient human.
 Quoting: Em18966


Considering that humans don't remember anything until they are about 2, how would anyone know if a "fetus" has feelings or not? The nervous system begins developing in the first month of pregnancy. I swear its like some people value the life of a plant more than an unborn human simply because a plant is self-sustaining and its existence doesn't inconvenience them financially or physically. Scientifically speaking, a human life begins at the moment of conception when a growing organism with a unique set of DNA that will never exist again in the history of the universe comes into existence, albeit inside the mother's womb, as is necessary considering a human embryo is microscopic-sized when it's life begins.
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" "Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice."
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hesright
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I'm afraid so.

If it's a fetus lacking the capacity for thought, reason, the ability to feel pain or understand that it exists at all, terminating the pregnancy hurts no one.

Once it becomes a sentient human being capable of thought, feeling, emotion, etc., it will always understand then the real torture begins.

Don't give me the crap about how wonderful and happy children with Down's that are already born are - that is irrelevant.

No one is suggesting that you kill a sentient child or take back a life already aware of its existence - just that to prevent pain is better than allowing it to happen with full awareness that it is going to and doing nothing.

We are talking about probabilities.

Not killing sentient humans.

Dawkins is correct.

We don't mourn the 50% of all fertilized eggs that end in miscarriage naturally, there's no need to consider an embryo or fetus the equal of a born, sentient human.
 Quoting: Em18966


Regardless of how often a fertilized egg actually makes it all the way through pregnancy, those who are pro-life believe that there is a difference between a natural miscarriage and an intentional abortion, which is the choice by the mother or both parents to end a pregnancy unnaturally, ending the life of a human that could have otherwise lived. Obviously Christians only consider the latter a sin. Granted, even Christians acknowledge that there are very rare cases where, if a mother's life is endangered by her pregnancy, the choice to abort is morally acceptable. Even then, many Christian women put in this situation have chosen to give their baby a chance at life. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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He is an idiot who fell for the Devil's easiest trick. there is no god. but his time on earth is short compared to the eternity of suffering that awaits him
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You are so wrong, while I detest Dawkins, there can be no hell as you think, do you understand what justice is? Is God not a just God? Do you understand what punishment equal to the crime means? How then would a just god punish someone for what you think is eternity of torture for anything done in a short mortal life among other mortals? Which is worse, someone killing someone or you wishing eternal damnation on someone? I think your crime is higher.
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The handful of children I have known with Down's Syndrome have been awesome, wonderful, sweet people.


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same. I interacted quite a bit with people with Down's Syndrome when I was young and they were *usually* very kind and funny and warm. they were all different from each other but I personally would not dread parenting someone with that syndrome. I don't wish it on people or anything, but I would never support what Dawkins said in that tweet.

I hate that guy anyway. World's biggest douche.
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agree with Dawkins except it wouldn't be 'immoral', rather 'inhumane'.

also, surprised at the amount of conservative opinions on this board.

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