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Fermi Lab To Determine If We Really Live In a Hologram

 
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The Bible tells us that we only see through a glass darkly, and it infers that we can't see most of reality.

This existence is a proving ground. We already know that matter can only be so small, and only get so big. This means that we live in a digital universe, not analog. This isn't really a theory, it's a fact. Missler does a good job with this.

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Reality IS a hologram.....the only thing real is YOUR awareness....
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ohyeah hf
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The good news is, you're a hologram!


The bad news is…


You're a hologram.
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Well, if this is true, I wish to hell someone would reprogram my looks.
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The good news is, you're a hologram!


The bad news is…


You're a hologram.
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Well, if this is true, I wish to hell someone would reprogram my looks.
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Who wants to find out they aren't really real?

If this was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, it would drive you insane. Might be cool to hypothese, but really you would not like it.

I had someone tell me that once. It was actually quite convincing. Yet terrifying. Drove me mental. I went into shock. My entire world as I knew was destroyed. I didn't care about my family photos that once meant so much. They became meaningless and that is just a very small portion of it. Nothing really matters anymore. Why care?

Human beings if that's what we are, are not prepared to accept this. It's foreign and we inherently reject anything foreign.

Well I don't know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22679556


Have accepted that for quite some time. David Bohm's work, and peering into atoms. While atoms basically have nothing to them, there is a plasma screen or what used to be called ether, and this seems to be a projection, from HOME.
So his theory was that this was projecting in from Higher Dimension.

Its not hard to grasp. You're in an interactive testing ground, simulation universe, and its responsive to your frequency. And its like being on the other side of the mirror, so going within to find Home, not really without is important. Because without is just more of the other side of the mirror.

We're like a fraction of ourselves and overcoming things that hold us back, imperfections.

Another thing to note about Holograms, they're technology.
There are Higher Levels and Creator(s).

Also a true Hologram is a lot like fractals, each part contains the whole.

You contain the entire infinite universe within you.

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Somebody must have just watch the matrix over the weekend.
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Reality IS a hologram.....the only thing real is YOUR awareness....
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ohyeah hf
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I Seeeee
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This is an interesting experiment, but I agree that the manner in which they are carrying out their testing is pretty risky for the potential reward.

I mean, they know very little about the particles they are bombarding with. The experiment itself could do incalculable damage in ways that those conducting the experiment may not even be able to fathom, as they don't fully grasp what they are working with in the first place.

And for what?

What if we ARE living in a hologram?

???

It has been surmised that all of the information in black holes is contained both inside and on the surface in two dimensions.

So what if our reality is just the surface of a black hole?

What difference does that knowledge make?

I mean, I am an information tard. I like to know things simply for the sake of knowing them.

But in this instance, does the knowledge that this may be some kind of projection change anything about our perception or our reality?

Is it a projection and we are brains in a jar? Is it a projection and we are avatars? Is it a projection and we are pure consciousness or thoughts? Is it a projection and we are being guided like images in a Sims game? Are we doing the guiding or are we being controlled? To what purpose? Do we cease to be when the simulation is over, or do we awaken to some other, more complex reality?

I have a theory that everything in the Universe is fractal in nature, perpetual and cyclical. Like the infinity of all infinities.

So if we determine what this is a projection, do we trace it back to the source?

It's intriguing to say the least, but what risks are we taking in order to find out something that makes little to no difference?

Is it the game that is our reality or our perception of the game??
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Who wants to find out they aren't really real?

If this was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, it would drive you insane. Might be cool to hypothese, but really you would not like it.

I had someone tell me that once. It was actually quite convincing. Yet terrifying. Drove me mental. I went into shock. My entire world as I knew was destroyed. I didn't care about my family photos that once meant so much. They became meaningless and that is just a very small portion of it. Nothing really matters anymore. Why care?

Human beings if that's what we are, are not prepared to accept this. It's foreign and we inherently reject anything foreign.

Well I don't know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22679556


Have accepted that for quite some time. David Bohm's work, and peering into atoms. While atoms basically have nothing to them, there is a plasma screen or what used to be called ether, and this seems to be a projection, from HOME.
So his theory was that this was projecting in from Higher Dimension.

Its not hard to grasp. You're in an interactive testing ground, simulation universe, and its responsive to your frequency. And its like being on the other side of the mirror, so going within to find Home, not really without is important. Because without is just more of the other side of the mirror.

We're like a fraction of ourselves and overcoming things that hold us back, imperfections.

Another thing to note about Holograms, they're technology.
There are Higher Levels and Creator(s).

Also a true Hologram is a lot like fractals, each part contains the whole.

You contain the entire infinite universe within you.
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Ahh, one of my favorite GLP members^^

I always appreciate your input Sungaze, thanks for weighing in :)
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Funny thing...

99% of people would see this as terrible news and say "fuck it".

Yet...

This would 100% prove the existence of GOD. Even if God were a supercomputer, it would prove that SOMETHING other than NOTHING is responsible for our being here.

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I tried saying, computer, end program, it didn't work!!

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Funny thing...

99% of people would see this as terrible news and say "fuck it".

Yet...

This would 100% prove the existence of GOD. Even if God were a supercomputer, it would prove that SOMETHING other than NOTHING is responsible for our being here.
 Quoting: First Born


Yeah, like that moronic theory that everything in this immense Universe exploded from something the side of a golf ball. Whatcha want to bet that if they do prove this Hologram effect, that the atheistic scientific community unleashes the power of hell to discredit it.
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Once upon a time we were all terrified to have recently learned our Own Galxy contained a super massive black hole at its center. And then we learned that all Galaxies exist this way and today we simply accept it. Understanding reality is a hopelessly complex proposition, for one thing our minds are just simply too small to contain that much information. We will never fully achieve this goal but with each new piece of the puzzle we get closer to understanding the universe and ultimately the real question everyone is afraid to ask. Where did it all come from. Personally I believe in creation and most of these discoveries to me translate to how our perception of creation can identify the process used. For instance if we are all in a "hallogram computer simulation what ever" ok who says its a computer in our sense of the meaning. What if it's God's Mind? And frankly what difference does it make.... It's like iTunes waking up one morning and saying holy shit. I'm installed on windows!
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if it was a hologram
there would be no death
so, if there is death
it's a real situation
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if it was a hologram
there would be no death
so, if there is death
it's a real situation
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Unless the hologram is programmed to emulate real life. It could be that when an individual dies in the hologram, they are simply reprogrammed as a new individual within the hologram (the origin of belief in reincarnation).

I can't remember where I read it, but I once read that you maintain the same personality in every incarnation… the basic programming of an individual remains the same, only the packaging changes.

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Just remember what happened in John Carpenter's "They Live" when the broadcasting antenna is destroyed. A different reality is revealed to all.
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It is ironic to me that all these creationists are raging at this and claiming this experiment will prove nothing, even when in a sense this would give evidence towards "creation". Not in the sense as some bearded all powerful fuck, but through some extremely fucking giant intelligent creatures who are probably playing a massive game of the sims right now. bash
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and they won't lie to us (no matter the results of that test..)
ain't that right ?!
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To those who say this would prove the existence of a creator, you are absolutely correct.

I am an agnostic atheist.

I believe their may have been a creator, I simply don't believe that the creator is that which most people believe, nor do I believe that if there IS a creator, that that being should be worshiped as deity.

I don't believe in magic, I believe in technology.

I don't believe that if the scientists at CERN or Fermi Lab create life, they should be considered gods in the sense that most people take the word god to mean.

I don't think that your average agnostic or atheist would have much of a problem with the idea that reality as we know it was created by something higher than us (because, obviously, in order to create us, the creator would have to be at least as complex if not more so than the creation and have the tools, technology and ability to do the creating) - what we DO have an issue with is ascribing a level of worship to such a being.

I would be incredibly interested to know if we were deliberately created, by what, and to what purpose.

That doesn't mean that I would believe that whatever created us deserved worship - even if whatever created us believed it did.

Look at the state of the world.

Sigh.

Again, I go back to my theory of a perpetual, cyclical and fractal universe that goes on to infinity.
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To those who say this would prove the existence of a creator, you are absolutely correct.

I am an agnostic atheist.

I believe their may have been a creator, I simply don't believe that the creator is that which most people believe, nor do I believe that if there IS a creator, that that being should be worshiped as deity.

I don't believe in magic, I believe in technology.

I don't believe that if the scientists at CERN or Fermi Lab create life, they should be considered gods in the sense that most people take the word god to mean.

I don't think that your average agnostic or atheist would have much of a problem with the idea that reality as we know it was created by something higher than us (because, obviously, in order to create us, the creator would have to be at least as complex if not more so than the creation and have the tools, technology and ability to do the creating) - what we DO have an issue with is ascribing a level of worship to such a being.

I would be incredibly interested to know if we were deliberately created, by what, and to what purpose.

That doesn't mean that I would believe that whatever created us deserved worship - even if whatever created us believed it did.

Look at the state of the world.

Sigh.

Again, I go back to my theory of a perpetual, cyclical and fractal universe that goes on to infinity.
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So you are an AGNOSTIC... not a Atheist.
You can't be both.
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Well these news articles seem to have sensationalized it all a bit to much. From the Fermilab website:

How can you seriously claim that we're all just living in a simulation? How can you seriously clam that the third dimension doesn't exist? Have you gone off the deep end? Don't you have anything better to do?

Simply put, the Holometer is testing none of these claims. We can address some of the misconceptions about the Holometer by clarifying several misleading terms.

First, when physicists say the universe is "really" two-dimensional, they don't mean the third dimension doesn't exist. Rather they mean it's an emergent rather than fundamental property of spacetime. If you zoom in far enough, a solid doesn't look very solid at all, but this doesn't make "solid" any less real or valid a category for describing our day-to-day experience. Similarly, the claim is that at some scale, spacetime can be described mathematically using two dimensions instead of three, and as you approach the scale of everyday life, it begins to look increasingly three-dimensional.

Second, the term "holographic" unfortunately calls to mind words like "illusion" and "simulation" which really have nothing to do with the Holometer or any aspect of the Holographic Principle. The notion that our familiar three-dimensional universe is somehow encoded in two dimensions at the most fundamental level does not imply that there is anybody or anything "outside" the two-dimensional representation, "projecting" the illusion or "running" the simulation. The Holometer may or may not find evidence of holographic noise. But it's a pretty safe bet that it will not call into question the reality or meaning of your life.
 Quoting: [link to holometer.fnal.gov]


If you want to find out more about the experiment check out: [link to holometer.fnal.gov]
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Well the whole universe is written in code. Fractals, fibonacci, phi. It makes complete sense.
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Well the whole universe is written in code. Fractals, fibonacci, phi. It makes complete sense.
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Circling the square :)

Phi, Pi and Fibonnaci

ALWAYS STRIVING FOR PERFECTION THROUGH ALCHEMY

We are just a figment of some entity's imagination.

We are 'acting' out some entity's internal struggle between poles (good vs evil, dark vs light, etc)

This dimension is just a by-product...

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Did y'all read the top comment? It's pretty insightful. More so than the actual article. It left me wondering if the article was just naive and not well researched, or intentionally misleading.

"This is straight from the fermilab website to address these misconceptions in the media:

Q: How can you seriously claim that we're all just living in a simulation? How can you seriously clam that the third dimension doesn't exist? Have you gone off the deep end? Don't you have anything better to do?

A: Simply put, the Holometer is testing none of these claims. We can address some of the misconceptions about the Holometer by clarifying several misleading terms.

First, when physicists say the universe is "really" two-dimensional, they don't mean the third dimension doesn't exist. Rather they mean it's an emergent rather than fundamental property of spacetime. If you zoom in far enough, a solid doesn't look very solid at all, but this doesn't make "solid" any less real or valid a category for describing our day-to-day experience. Similarly, the claim is that at some scale, spacetime can be described mathematically using two dimensions instead of three, and as you approach the scale of everyday life, it begins to look increasingly three-dimensional.

Second, the term "holographic" unfortunately calls to mind words like "illusion" and "simulation" which really have nothing to do with the Holometer or any aspect of the Holographic Principle. The notion that our familiar three-dimensional universe is somehow encoded in two dimensions at the most fundamental level does not imply that there is anybody or anything "outside" the two-dimensional representation, "projecting" the illusion or "running" the simulation. The Holometer may or may not find evidence of holographic noise. But it's a pretty safe bet that it will not call into question the reality or meaning of your life."
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To those who say this would prove the existence of a creator, you are absolutely correct.

I am an agnostic atheist.

I believe their may have been a creator, I simply don't believe that the creator is that which most people believe, nor do I believe that if there IS a creator, that that being should be worshiped as deity.

I don't believe in magic, I believe in technology.

I don't believe that if the scientists at CERN or Fermi Lab create life, they should be considered gods in the sense that most people take the word god to mean.

I don't think that your average agnostic or atheist would have much of a problem with the idea that reality as we know it was created by something higher than us (because, obviously, in order to create us, the creator would have to be at least as complex if not more so than the creation and have the tools, technology and ability to do the creating) - what we DO have an issue with is ascribing a level of worship to such a being.

I would be incredibly interested to know if we were deliberately created, by what, and to what purpose.

That doesn't mean that I would believe that whatever created us deserved worship - even if whatever created us believed it did.

Look at the state of the world.

Sigh.

Again, I go back to my theory of a perpetual, cyclical and fractal universe that goes on to infinity.
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So you are an AGNOSTIC... not a Atheist.
You can't be both.
 Quoting: First Born


You most certainly can be both. Agnostic means "to not know" and theism is just the belief in god.

To say you are an agnostic atheist means you live your life as if there is no god and strongly believe there isn't one but are aware of the fact that there could or could not be one.

To say you are an agnostic theist is to say you live your life under the belief in god and are aware of the fact that there still could or could not be one.

I'm simply agnostic. I have no fucking clue along with everyone else. Although I do doubt any existence of a god as in he "magically" appeared from nothing and created everything. I believe if there is a creator he or they are highly complex and intelligent and we were "created" that way. Maybe thay didn't intentionally create us, maybe they don't even know we exist, maybe they someday might cancel us in there big computer because they don't see anything interesting. Who knows.
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Well the whole universe is written in code. Fractals, fibonacci, phi. It makes complete sense.
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Circling the square :)

Phi, Pi and Fibonnaci

ALWAYS STRIVING FOR PERFECTION THROUGH ALCHEMY

We are just a figment of some entity's imagination.

We are 'acting' out some entity's internal struggle between poles (good vs evil, dark vs light, etc)

This dimension is just a by-product...
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SPOILER ALERT !!!





















i watched the movie "Her" recently.. IMO it expresses just that what you described, but on a micro scale (the cyber/social media/ technology-world)

MUST SEE MOVIE! IT CONTAINS A LOT OF TRUTH



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The idea being, once we can handle it all down here, then we can live and explore eternally, responsibly, because we know what not to do, and not be resentful about being responsible, so we don't start a polarity domino effect in the other realms of existence."

"The Fraction" of Life can be increased in value not so much by increasing your Numerator as by lessening your Denominator. Nay, unless my Algebra deceive me, Unity itself divided by Zero will give Infinity."

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Little is known about the particles
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Doesn't that just SAY IT ALL.

My mind is blown over this, seriously.

I think the 'holographic universe' theory has some good points to it, but it's not the whole story…

And the fact they're going about it this way is just… irresponsible.
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


just think, there are secret programs too.


recent stories about just how close that solar flare was in 12, linked with timeline oddities from too many people.......
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I personally think the Large Hadron Collider had something to do with the Earth being able to dodge that CME that year, because the LHC deals with accelerating mass to nearly the speed of light which slows time down and causes frame dragging for that particular spot on the Earth, thus affecting the Earth's movement through space. I think it also explains the pole shifts.
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How is it irresponsible? The earth is constantly bombarded by a huge flux of neutrinos from the sun. The neutrino beam used in this experiment is nothing compared to that.
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The difference between the natural source of neutrinos, and the unnatural ignorant human use of neutrinos is kinda the point here.
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I'm more worried about CERN creating a mini black hole that falls to the center of the Earth, eventually consuming us all.

The Holographic Universe Theory is very interesting IMO.
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To those who say this would prove the existence of a creator, you are absolutely correct.

I am an agnostic atheist.

I believe their may have been a creator, I simply don't believe that the creator is that which most people believe, nor do I believe that if there IS a creator, that that being should be worshiped as deity.

I don't believe in magic, I believe in technology.

I don't believe that if the scientists at CERN or Fermi Lab create life, they should be considered gods in the sense that most people take the word god to mean.

I don't think that your average agnostic or atheist would have much of a problem with the idea that reality as we know it was created by something higher than us (because, obviously, in order to create us, the creator would have to be at least as complex if not more so than the creation and have the tools, technology and ability to do the creating) - what we DO have an issue with is ascribing a level of worship to such a being.

I would be incredibly interested to know if we were deliberately created, by what, and to what purpose.

That doesn't mean that I would believe that whatever created us deserved worship - even if whatever created us believed it did.

Look at the state of the world.

Sigh.

Again, I go back to my theory of a perpetual, cyclical and fractal universe that goes on to infinity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11688366


Religious worship is based on rules and promises.

Lets say God is real as in the Christian version of God.

This God gives us rules to live by to be successful creations based on what he/she/it considers successful.

Like Ford creates/designs a car, it must be operated a certain way or by a certain set of rules(manual)to achieve its intended maximum potential or goal.

Except we are more than a car, in that we think and evolve within our environment and make choices. If we operate successfully as intended(By the manual or bible)we are rewarded with eternal bliss in heaven.

So worshipping God, is not so much worshipping as it is following the manual to be successful and achieve the end goal of heaven.

Like most anything we create, there is usually a reason, a purpose or goal. But like many creations, there are lemons.





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