Nobody burns in Hell. Unless you choose to burn in Hell. A controversial topic that will probably upset you.

Like citizenperth said:

everyone is judged by their works... this still rings true for me today, and is a tenant of pretty much every religion....

You believe that it is Good and Just that Adolph Hitler and Josef Mengele reside at home in the Kingdom Of God with the Jews they slaughtered?

you are judged by how much you are aware of
a retarded child could have stronger spiritual capabilities then a physicist
you are judging or rather we as people judge but what we know to be true
but there is universes out there of truths to still discover
the autistic children same thing, spiritually who knows they could be working on a different plane of existence
what the world sees as success and intellect is not the truth
the truth is how much we love and give love and how innocent we stay

Can we not agree that The Almighty Holy God will do Rightly

and we need not worry about this, as if the Creator of the Universe needs our approval?

Judged by their works. But unless you are saved by Christ you cannot have eternal life thus enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus told Nicodemus a man can neither see nor enter the kingdom of heaven unless he is born of the spirit.

not approval but I think He would like us to remember is Love for us and show it to one another

Hitler could have been saved on his death bed. We don't know.

You are indeed speculating about something you yourself have never experienced an therefore have no first-hand knowledge of it. You may mistake your belief for knowledge, but without experience, it's still relegated to the realm of belief/speculation/opinion. Why not use language like "I think" or "I believe" appropriately, instead of claiming something as a fact/certainty? Your 'evidence' is your belief, not any experience.

Can you address the fact that you stated this something is 'endless' when the Hebrew & Greek terms of the earliest scripture do not signify this English (mis)translation (nor 'forever and ever' nor 'eternal')?

I'm also having trouble wrapping my mind around something. Do you believe in an omnipresent 'God'? If so, how can you identify somewhere where 'God' is not present? Didn't the bible mention something about 'being in the presence of the holy lamb'? What does that represent again?

For those of you that claim to serve the Christ read the word,

It is plainly evident in the gospels of the place of weeping & gnashing of teeth spoken by the Christ.

For those that do not, believe what you may,

Yet if even in this world there is consequence,
why would it be different in the next
as order (doing what is proper), is a part of Love
equally as significant as forgiveness (grace)

Do you think it will be different then? How?

"Hell exists because God made us with the ability to love, and that requires the ability to hate. And if God allowed everyone to go to heaven, then He would turn heaven into hell and for all of eternity unleash onto the redeemed the "hell on earth" that so many people already lament. And if God replaced St. Peter's gate with a revolving door, then the rebellion, pride, hatred, cruelty and selfishness that has spoiled the paradise of Eden would forever spoil the heavenly paradise.

Also, the deity of Christ and eternal punishment are related doctrines, for cults that do not know that Jesus is God also tend to reject the eternal hell. If the punishment of sin is not eternal, then God could have created something of sufficient worth to pay the price, and He would not have had to sacrifice His infinitely worthy Son. But when Jesus prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will," because the Father's love for the Son was immeasurable, we can be sure that there was no other way to pay for the sins of men.

And so, because the demands of righteousness required a full payment for sin, the penalty for sin could not be a finite prison term, for then Jesus Christ would not have had to pay with His life."

[link to kgov.com]

Human love is of the Earth, Godly love is spiritual and goes beyond all things of this world. Because you have to go through that letting go to properly follow Jesus as he instructed. And let go of everything you care about to follow him.

I was shocked many years ago when I found out that almost all of the times we read the word hell in our modern bibles that it actually means grave in the original meanings of the words.

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Gods presence doesn't mean he is experiencing it, it means he is there to witness it and see s it

and for that you will be rewarded... i find it funny that many find the words "judgement" and "crime", somewhat interchangeable... i prefer judgement to be just that "to observe and make accountable"... and "just" ... not all "judgement " leads to a conviction... rather a reward....

your actions will always speak to your intent (pre-determined decision to events)... it's like gold fish in a bowl....

You are simply, a false Christian that hell will apply too!!

"There is one terrible truth in Christianity that in our times, even more than in previous centuries, arouses implacable horror in the heart of man. That truth is of the eternal pains of hell. At the mere allusion to this dogma, minds become troubled, hearts tighten up and tremble, passions become rigid and inflamed against the doctrine and the unwelcome voices that proclaim it." - Father Charles Arminjon

"If you love me, you will keep my commandments… “Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.” And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. (John 14:15; Matt 25:45-46)

"But what profit did you get then from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now that you have been freed from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit that you have leads to sanctification, and its end is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rom 6:21-23)

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life. (John 3:16)"

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him. (John 3:36)"

However, the emphasis of the Gospel is not the threat, but the invitiation. As Jesus said, “God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.” St. Peter’s first homily after Pentecost expresses this perfectly:

"Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord… (Acts 3:19)"

hell means she ol the grave

but the lake or brimstone is something else

I believe that we need to repent for our sins (feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin.)

I stop and try to think of all the wrongs I have done, all of the sins I can remember. It seems that every day I remember one that I have forgotten from long ago. Thoughts, words and deeds. There's an abundance of them, for me anyway. New ones too. Each time I remember hurting someone or thinking wrongly I ask my Father in heaven for forgiveness.

It's a process but I think it's worthwhile. It helps me realize what a damned fool I was...and sometimes still am.

Jesus said, Your sins are forgiven...Go and sin no more.

Yeah, I realized that I overgeneralized there and corrected my original post to read almost all the times but I did so after you responded.

Sorry, I had to update this post too to include the "so." I'm operating on only 5 hours of sleep for the last two days and not thinking too clear right now.

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Those that deny hell do not preach Christ.

LOL!!! that's one of the best quotes for tonight "the sins you remember"..... hehehehehe.... i hope i get forgiven for the ones i would appologise for but forgot as i get older...

when you are born of spirit you sin less and less, or rather the conviction is stronger….it doesn't mean that what we do is perfect and just all the time but it means we are dead to the old ways of not listening to that voice, because when you are born of spirit that voice dominates and convicts us
we are told to confess to one another our sins, a heavy conscious can't pray clear to the Lord
our own conscious convicts us

I'm convinced eternal life has nothing to do with the life of this body. The 5 senses and the imagination cannot fathom life as a spirit.

That means this entire system of this world could be wrong -works, ranks, grades, ratings, levels might not be how eternal life would be.


We consider Jesus to be a king. But a king is an Earthly concept. But maybe as a human its the easiet way to understand that he is over all. All authority...power


But he as a man (who was one with the heavenly father) did not value gold or bling bling. And dressed modestly as he set an example for people to follow.

np I actually come here to relax lol
sleep is something we all need more of I think

So in your mind the only two possibilities are 'endless torment' versus no accountability/consequences at all?



Is your interpretation of 'you reap what you sow', meaning that if you choose the wrong beliefs during your finite lifetime in this confusing, erratic world with hundreds of religions & philosophies to choose from - you get tormented for eternity with no chance for refinement nor redemption? Is that your understanding of 'reaping what you sow' and the type of universal justice that would originate from a divine intelligence/energy described as 'LOVE'?

People that deny hell

say these various words are not hell

instead of recognizing that they are the cumulative composite portrait of "hell"

just like there are many verses and differing terms that refer to what we call "heaven."

I am also, But I am also convinced that the dark side comes after us more the closer we come to God and truth.

yes if you look up sheol in the jewish encyclopedia it doesn't seem pleasant

Is outer darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth better?!

[link to www.jewishencyclopedia.com]