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Last humans on the Moon "The Lift-off"

 
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Guys this one moonkook can provide links and numbers...wow. He's so cool. What a loser. Lol
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ISIS Videos are way better
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ISIS Videos are way better
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Lol
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ISIS Videos are way better
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Do you have numbers, data and links, proof (sarcasm)
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It looks ridiculous.

See how the object is perfectly centered, zoomed out, then followed very smoothly? Ask any cameraman... you cannot get this precision by "remote control" with 3 seconds frigging delay!

Sorry, "Ed Fendell in mission control" couldn't do it.

Only if the whole motion/control was pre-programmed.
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Simple, they used this high tech control panel. . .

:16-micah-top:
 Quoting: G3


That is some futuristic shit right there.

Particularly the rotary dialing apparatus.
 Quoting: Citadel Moon


Many applications can be controlled by the rotary dial.
Including selecting ANY telephone number in the world.
Typically, these were used to select a particular output address to control by use of stepper relays.

I WATCHED this event "live".
I have spent my life as an engineer.
Either could be real or could be fakery.
I have a degree including television from back in the old NTSC days. The video where Neil Armstrong is stepping out of the LEM and the studio lights fall down is priceless.

If it were real, I still have hard time with not seeing the sort of video degradation effects I would expect from an analog signal at such a distance. I know they showed TV images of the parabolic antenna aimed back to earth, and there were MASSIVE parabolic antennas on earth being used to capturre the signal, but I still never saw much of the effects I wouold have expected with such a weak signal.
When regular NTSC TV signals are weak, synchronization signals may vary such that sync lock is lost on either vertical or horizontal, and I don't ever remember seeing
the TV coverage losing sync lock.

We may have gone to the moon, but I have never been quite convinced that the TV showed anything more than well scripted, pre-filmed simulations.
Many other parts of the journeys were "illustrated" on TV by very cute little simulation videos which showed a message onscreen that these were simulated video.
Hence, when they showed the film shots from Houston simulator without such a message, everyone was willing to believe it was real video form the moon.
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Wow, Ed is good. He not only anticipated the ignition, tracked the LEM flight, but the explosion didn't jiggle the camera, none of the debris hit the camera, ignition blast didn't cause camera glare, he kept the camera in focus using adjustments with 2-3 second delays. Then he transmitted the footage back to the LEM with wireless video streaming before the Internet was invented.





I wonder what happened to the guy that filmed it? How did he get back with the camera footage? More holes in the moon landing.
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Filmed with the same remotely controlled camera that was used on the EVAs. Controlled by Ed Fendell in mission control.
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Remotely controlled by whom?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67726590


Do you have some problem reading - "Ed Fendell in mission control".

Do you think Houston could instantaneously send a single to the moon to control camera? lol
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I guess you mean "signal", and yes, it's not that hard to figure out. They knew exactly when the launch was ging to happen, and could then adjust for the signal delay due to distance. It wasn't "instantaneous", it was careful planning.

It also wasn't the first time they'd tried it, although it was the best result.

If this is the level of your "hoax evidence" you're waaaaay behind the curve. This claim was debunked long, long ago.
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Wow, Ed is good.
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TIME called him NASA's Captain Video.

He not only anticipated the ignition,
 Quoting: Ed Fendell=super photog 32968182

Why do you think they have a countdown?
You expect a spacecraft that has to rendezvous with one in orbit to just go whenever the pilot feels like it?

tracked the LEM flight,
 Quoting: Ed Fendell=super photog 32968182

You think they didn't know where the craft was going?

It's LM, BTW.

but the explosion didn't jiggle the camera,
 Quoting: Ed Fendell=super photog 32968182

You are expecting a blastwave in a vacuum?

none of the debris hit the camera,
 Quoting: Ed Fendell=super photog 32968182

There wasn't much of it, mostly nearly massless foil.
It was not a bomb. Merely some pyros, and a 16kN rocket exhaust.

ignition blast didn't cause camera glare,
 Quoting: Ed Fendell=super photog 32968182

What ignition blast?
Ignition occurs INSIDE the rocket.
The flash you see are just the pyros.

he kept the camera in focus using adjustments with 2-3 second delays.
 Quoting: Ed Fendell=super photog 32968182

Occasionally.

He's isn't actually watching, you know.
They pre-calculated the angles and the distances the craft should be and scripted the commands for the times they should be send.
Nowadays we would use a computer.

Then he transmitted the footage back to the LEM with wireless video streaming before the Internet was invented.
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The "footage" was transmitted directly to Earth where it was fed live to many thousands of TV-stations.
So broadcast is another thing you find ridiculous?
They used to have antennas on top of people's houses to receive television, you know?
No cables required.
True story.
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Guys, what you think?! what's the size of that model/toy ?!

Don't give me NASa nubmers?! It's easy to google them
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Wow, Ed is good.
 Quoting: Ed Fendell=super photog 32968182

TIME called him NASA's Captain Video.

He not only anticipated the ignition,
 Quoting: Ed Fendell=super photog 32968182

Why do you think they have a countdown?
You expect a spacecraft that has to rendezvous with one in orbit to just go whenever the pilot feels like it?

tracked the LEM flight,
 Quoting: Ed Fendell=super photog 32968182

You think they didn't know where the craft was going?

It's LM, BTW.

but the explosion didn't jiggle the camera,
 Quoting: Ed Fendell=super photog 32968182

You are expecting a blastwave in a vacuum?

none of the debris hit the camera,
 Quoting: Ed Fendell=super photog 32968182

There wasn't much of it, mostly nearly massless foil.
It was not a bomb. Merely some pyros, and a 16kN rocket exhaust.

ignition blast didn't cause camera glare,
 Quoting: Ed Fendell=super photog 32968182

What ignition blast?
Ignition occurs INSIDE the rocket.
The flash you see are just the pyros.

he kept the camera in focus using adjustments with 2-3 second delays.
 Quoting: Ed Fendell=super photog 32968182

Occasionally.

He's isn't actually watching, you know.
They pre-calculated the angles and the distances the craft should be and scripted the commands for the times they should be send.
Nowadays we would use a computer.

Then he transmitted the footage back to the LEM with wireless video streaming before the Internet was invented.
 Quoting: Ed Fendell=super photog 32968182

The "footage" was transmitted directly to Earth where it was fed live to many thousands of TV-stations.
So broadcast is another thing you find ridiculous?
They used to have antennas on top of people's houses to receive television, you know?
No cables required.
True story.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


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Look at that toy going up!
cruise
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cruise

Looks so small! You gotta love the fireworks
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The blast from take off would have knocked the camera over. No camera man could follow this with a 2 second delay. I know, I was a cameraman for years. This is complete bullshit.
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cruise
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It looks like something from an old Power Rangers episode, or a 60's Godzilla movie.
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cruise
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It looks like something from an old Power Rangers episode, or a 60's Godzilla movie.
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cruise

Exactly
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The blast from take off would have knocked the camera over. No camera man could follow this with a 2 second delay. I know, I was a cameraman for years. This is complete bullshit.
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"Believe me! I'm a doctor (tiny print: on the internet.)"

You are not really following this, aren't you?
This is on the Moon, there's no air, thus no shockwave.
And you don't even know how the camera was anchored so how can you possibly say it would have been knocked over?
Blatant asspull on your behalf.

FYO the camera was attached to the rover, a wide-based 4 wheeled vehicle massing 200 kg.
It was not a nuke going off, merely the exhaust of a rocket engine just powerful enough to get a small craft into lunar orbit.

Also, you didn't follow the part that says that the behaviour of the craft was completely predictable.
It has to be because otherwise it wouldn't get where it was supposed to go.
They knew where it would be for every single fraction of a second of its ascend.
It was not improvised.

IOW your statements are DEMONSTRABLE bullshit.
Do you really think you can get away with that?
How stupid do you think we are? Not everybody here is a gullible conspirasheeple.

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Not too dissimilar from the control panels at the LCC when I visited it about 20 years ago. Yet there it was, launching the most complex rocket ever flown. A machine which had its main engines mounted at an angle and had to vector its own thrust just to balance its off-center and constantly changing center of gravity.
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The Funniest Part Is The Notion That They Had Streaming Video From The Moon In The Early Seventies.
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The blast from take off would have knocked the camera over. No camera man could follow this with a 2 second delay. I know, I was a cameraman for years. This is complete bullshit.
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"Believe me! I'm a doctor (tiny print: on the internet.)"

You are not really following this, aren't you?
This is on the Moon, there's no air, thus no shockwave.
And you don't even know how the camera was anchored so how can you possibly say it would have been knocked over?
Blatant asspull on your behalf.


:classic-facepalm:
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So as a doctor, you could explain to me how a rocket works in a vacuum, I'm fully aware of the operation of a rocket, but if there is no air to push against...ie. no molecule for the exhaust molecule to colide with, how does a rocket accelerate in space? Sure take off from the moon you have a large base structure to 'push' against...but how did we slow our decent to the surface, or maneuver in space?
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The blast from take off would have knocked the camera over. No camera man could follow this with a 2 second delay. I know, I was a cameraman for years. This is complete bullshit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62361274

"Believe me! I'm a doctor (tiny print: on the internet.)"

You are not really following this, aren't you?
This is on the Moon, there's no air, thus no shockwave.
And you don't even know how the camera was anchored so how can you possibly say it would have been knocked over?
Blatant asspull on your behalf.


classic-facepalm
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


So as a doctor, you could explain to me how a rocket works in a vacuum, I'm fully aware of the operation of a rocket, but if there is no air to push against...ie. no molecule for the exhaust molecule to colide with, how does a rocket accelerate in space? Sure take off from the moon you have a large base structure to 'push' against...but how did we slow our decent to the surface, or maneuver in space?
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Basic physics escapes these Apollo deniers. It's embarrassing, I'm embarrassed for them. Newton's laws. Action/reaction. It doesn't need "air to push off against." That's not how rockets work.
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Basic physics escapes these Apollo deniers. It's embarrassing, I'm embarrassed for them. Newton's laws. Action/reaction. It doesn't need "air to push off against." That's not how rockets work.


So explain to me the basic physics then...I'm fully aware of newtons 3rd & the other 2 for that matter, but I'd be willing to bet you've never tried the experiment & are simply reiterating what someone else has told you. Have you ever tried jumping higher in mid air after already leaving the ground?... so if there's nothing (a vacuum) for the accelerated/heated molecules to hit...how does the rocket move
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So explain to me the basic physics then...I'm fully aware of newtons 3rd & the other 2 for that matter, but I'd be willing to bet you've never tried the experiment & are simply reiterating what someone else has told you. Have you ever tried jumping higher in mid air after already leaving the ground?... so if there's nothing (a vacuum) for the accelerated/heated molecules to hit...how does the rocket move
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That's idiotic, my feet aren't rockets. Quit breaking the quote tags, idiot.

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The Funniest Part Is The Notion That They Had Streaming Video From The Moon In The Early Seventies.
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no, the funniest part is you dismissing it out of hand without looking into the detail whatsoever.
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Basic physics escapes these Apollo deniers. It's embarrassing, I'm embarrassed for them. Newton's laws. Action/reaction. It doesn't need "air to push off against." That's not how rockets work.
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So explain to me the basic physics then...I'm fully aware of newtons 3rd & the other 2 for that matter, but I'd be willing to bet you've never tried the experiment & are simply reiterating what someone else has told you. Have you ever tried jumping higher in mid air after already leaving the ground?... so if there's nothing (a vacuum) for the accelerated/heated molecules to hit...how does the rocket move


Explain STEREO
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So explain to me the basic physics then...I'm fully aware of newtons 3rd & the other 2 for that matter, but I'd be willing to bet you've never tried the experiment & are simply reiterating what someone else has told you. Have you ever tried jumping higher in mid air after already leaving the ground?... so if there's nothing (a vacuum) for the accelerated/heated molecules to hit...how does the rocket move
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That's idiotic, my feet aren't rockets. Quit breaking the quote tags, idiot.
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So we've hit name calling have we...your mate had something to say on that topic a few posts ago...the jumping is an example of needing something to push off...but I see your lack of knowledge on the topic fast ran out when you quote a physics law, then start name calling
P.S...I hope I've gotten the all important quotes right this time...(typical request of a pre-pubesent)
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Basic physics escapes these Apollo deniers. It's embarrassing, I'm embarrassed for them. Newton's laws. Action/reaction. It doesn't need "air to push off against." That's not how rockets work.
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So explain to me the basic physics then...I'm fully aware of newtons 3rd & the other 2 for that matter, but I'd be willing to bet you've never tried the experiment & are simply reiterating what someone else has told you. Have you ever tried jumping higher in mid air after already leaving the ground?... so if there's nothing (a vacuum) for the accelerated/heated molecules to hit...how does the rocket move
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Explain STEREO


Really?... me explaining STEREO to you, wont help astroclown explain his basic physics to me...how bout you explain the physics to me then?
P.S...I hope your not as childish to ask for the quotes to be unbroken
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The blast from take off would have knocked the camera over. No camera man could follow this with a 2 second delay. I know, I was a cameraman for years. This is complete bullshit.
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"Believe me! I'm a doctor (tiny print: on the internet.)"

You are not really following this, aren't you?
This is on the Moon, there's no air, thus no shockwave.
And you don't even know how the camera was anchored so how can you possibly say it would have been knocked over?
Blatant asspull on your behalf.

FYO the camera was attached to the rover, a wide-based 4 wheeled vehicle massing 200 kg.
It was not a nuke going off, merely the exhaust of a rocket engine just powerful enough to get a small craft into lunar orbit.

Also, you didn't follow the part that says that the behaviour of the craft was completely predictable.
It has to be because otherwise it wouldn't get where it was supposed to go.
They knew where it would be for every single fraction of a second of its ascend.
It was not improvised.

IOW your statements are DEMONSTRABLE bullshit.
Do you really think you can get away with that?
How stupid do you think we are? Not everybody here is a gullible conspirasheeple.



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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

No blast in a vacuum! Really?

How did it take off?

Who is the idiot here?
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Blast hits dust. On ground. Dust is pushed towards camera. Dust hits lens. Lens is now useless.

No dust means no blast.

No. Dust hit the camera. Because it is a fake.
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Explain STEREO
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Really?... me explaining STEREO to you, wont help astroclown explain his basic physics to me...how bout you explain the physics to me then?
P.S...I hope your not as childish to ask for the quotes to be unbroken
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YOU seem to think space travel is not possible. Then explain STEREO. Explain how we have pictures of the backside of the Sun that have shown sunspots before they were visible to Earth if rockets don't work in space.
If you can't explain it then maybe you should reevaluate your misunderstanding of physics.
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Blast hits dust. On ground. Dust is pushed towards camera. Dust hits lens. Lens is now useless.

No dust means no blast.

No. Dust hit the camera. Because it is a fake.
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Rocket exhaust hits descent stage. Does not hit dust.
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Someone should submit that video to americas funniest home videos!

Still remember the first time I saw it, it was/is the funniest video I ever seen. The whole thing just screams of fakeness.

P.S: they mighta had the technology to stream, etc bk then as I know for a fact us government had 650mhz cpus in 65, the public didnt get cpus that fast till 35 yrs later so who knows what other technology they had that wasnt available to the public till decades later.
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Blast hits dust. On ground. Dust is pushed towards camera. Dust hits lens. Lens is now useless.

No dust means no blast.

No. Dust hit the camera. Because it is a fake.
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Rocket exhaust hits descent stage. Does not hit dust.
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The laws of physics do not change on the moon no matter how much you want them to.

In order for a rocket to push something up it has to exert a huge force down. That force would stir the dust which would hit the lens making it useless. No dust. No camera shake from the dust means no blast down.

No blast can be seen either.

No blast.
No dust.
Awesome ed driving the camera with over two second delay.

Naw!





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