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THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........

 
old white guy
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THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
[link to kdminer.com] OK, so there's this massive hidden - and almost inaccessible - cable upon which almost the entire state of Arizona depends for internet service, and what? We're supposed to believe it's one of those "senseless acts" of vandalism? Anybody believe there are terrorist cells in the area and this may have been a practise run for something much worse?
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Re: THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
, I believe it was an inside job. Test run for a bigger event no doubt, but definitely someone in the know's work.
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02/27/2015 04:53 AM
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This is starting to sound ominous.

Steady progress with prohibitory gun laws.
Gov buying all available ammo (last few years)
The recent ban on 5.56 ammo.
Testing the public reaction to losing internet access.
The new internet law.

They certainly sound like steps towards something big. Cut off/regulate communication, cut off ammo supplies, make it more difficult to buy guns (or at least make sure that gun owners can be identified),...
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02/27/2015 05:17 AM
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Re: THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
"Phoenix police said CenturyLink employees found that a fiber-optic cable in far north Phoenix had been completely cut through."

yeah, what pranksters.

Sounds like a dry run to me. Agreed.
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02/27/2015 05:28 AM
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Re: THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
I wonder if all those military flights in this part of Arizona have anything to do with threats they know about - or of course, if it's designed to ready the military to pounce when the government itself carries out a terrorist attack here. Hundreds of sorties each day, also military choppers like they had in Vietnam - open bays with machine guns .........
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02/27/2015 05:57 AM
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Re: THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
A similar incident took place in California (San Jose) a few years back. Also, someone was shooting out power transformers near by.

No one as ever been caught, and people in the know said it looked "professional".


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02/27/2015 06:07 AM
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Vandalism? Bullshit.
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02/27/2015 06:13 AM
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Re: THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
You disconnect something to build a device between the two points.

Like a killswitch
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Re: THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
yeah, you would have to come really prepared to saw/cut through that kind of cable. Not a couple drunks acting out, or kids. A real professional job, so what's next?
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First news about that NSA/CIA have all the SIM card infos and can listen to anything now they are trying to hack the internet ?

This is a powergrab not only on the Americas internet but from the whole world.

Net neutrality my ass this was planed on the first day they even started talking about.
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02/27/2015 06:18 AM
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We need more projects like these [link to www.bbc.com]

[link to www.bostonglobe.com]
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02/27/2015 06:23 AM
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Re: THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
Pat Tillman attended ASU, which was virtually shut down by this incident. He's the guy who joined the military and then was about to blow the whistle on the real reason we were there, to facilitate the worldwide heroin trade. And you know what happened to him. A little symbolism here for a false flag?
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02/27/2015 06:40 AM
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Re: THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
I have worked as a fiber optic splice technician for over 20 years. I have been all over the country working for many different companies. There is fiber everywhere !

The vase majority of it is local distribution fiber that runs from a distribution hub to a local node in your neighborhood. There is no way to discern the difference between these and the transport fiber that was cut.

Based on the effects of this outage, this was most definitely a transport fiber which appears to have many services leasing light on it. EVERY COMPANY I HAVE WORKED FOR USES REDUNDANT FIBER TECHNOLOGY at the light level. FDDI ring is the most popular, however many governments choose their own proprietary method for redundancy.

Also, the services that went down also employ their own redundancy by contracting with an entirely different provider/carrier for data services. EVERY GOVERNMENT I HAVE WORKED WITH MAKES SURE THE REDUNDANT DADA SERVICE ISN'T TRANSPORTED OVER THE SAME NETWORK AS THEIR PRIMARY ! This is network planning 101.

Something is definitely fishy with this outage.

1. Who ever caused it, had knowledge this was transport.

2. The transport operator had no or failed fiber redundancy (FDDI ring)
3. The effected services had no (doubt it) carrier redundancy , or their redundant carrier used the same transport provider (stupid mistake)


Even the most basic businesses employ redundant carriers for their meshed networks. I find it hard to believe that banks, mobile phone/data services, etc. failed to do the same.
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Re: THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
yeah, you would have to come really prepared to saw/cut through that kind of cable. Not a couple drunks acting out, or kids. A real professional job, so what's next?
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Yes exactly. I can tell you from experience it would take a minimum of a hack saw and depending on the fiber count (cable diameter), some effort.
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Re: THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
I have worked as a fiber optic splice technician for over 20 years. I have been all over the country working for many different companies. There is fiber everywhere !

The vase majority of it is local distribution fiber that runs from a distribution hub to a local node in your neighborhood. There is no way to discern the difference between these and the transport fiber that was cut.

Based on the effects of this outage, this was most definitely a transport fiber which appears to have many services leasing light on it. EVERY COMPANY I HAVE WORKED FOR USES REDUNDANT FIBER TECHNOLOGY at the light level. FDDI ring is the most popular, however many governments choose their own proprietary method for redundancy.

Also, the services that went down also employ their own redundancy by contracting with an entirely different provider/carrier for data services. EVERY GOVERNMENT I HAVE WORKED WITH MAKES SURE THE REDUNDANT DADA SERVICE ISN'T TRANSPORTED OVER THE SAME NETWORK AS THEIR PRIMARY ! This is network planning 101.

Something is definitely fishy with this outage.

1. Who ever caused it, had knowledge this was transport.

2. The transport operator had no or failed fiber redundancy (FDDI ring)
3. The effected services had no (doubt it) carrier redundancy , or their redundant carrier used the same transport provider (stupid mistake)


Even the most basic businesses employ redundant carriers for their meshed networks. I find it hard to believe that banks, mobile phone/data services, etc. failed to do the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4153981

Great post! I thought it was particularly fishy how quickly the problem was fixed. If you totally severe a major fiber, it should take a lot more time to splice it back together.

Here a major internet carrier experienced total downtime in service, because one major fiber line had been accidentally cut. They said they had redundancy, but some sort of software problem had prevented the use of alternative routing. Once they got it fixed (in hours), the service returned. Fixing the main line took days.
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Re: THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
I have worked as a fiber optic splice technician for over 20 years. I have been all over the country working for many different companies. There is fiber everywhere !

The vase majority of it is local distribution fiber that runs from a distribution hub to a local node in your neighborhood. There is no way to discern the difference between these and the transport fiber that was cut.

Based on the effects of this outage, this was most definitely a transport fiber which appears to have many services leasing light on it. EVERY COMPANY I HAVE WORKED FOR USES REDUNDANT FIBER TECHNOLOGY at the light level. FDDI ring is the most popular, however many governments choose their own proprietary method for redundancy.

Also, the services that went down also employ their own redundancy by contracting with an entirely different provider/carrier for data services. EVERY GOVERNMENT I HAVE WORKED WITH MAKES SURE THE REDUNDANT DADA SERVICE ISN'T TRANSPORTED OVER THE SAME NETWORK AS THEIR PRIMARY ! This is network planning 101.

Something is definitely fishy with this outage.

1. Who ever caused it, had knowledge this was transport.

2. The transport operator had no or failed fiber redundancy (FDDI ring)
3. The effected services had no (doubt it) carrier redundancy , or their redundant carrier used the same transport provider (stupid mistake)


Even the most basic businesses employ redundant carriers for their meshed networks. I find it hard to believe that banks, mobile phone/data services, etc. failed to do the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4153981

Great post! I thought it was particularly fishy how quickly the problem was fixed. If you totally severe a major fiber, it should take a lot more time to splice it back together.

Here a major internet carrier experienced total downtime in service, because one major fiber line had been accidentally cut. They said they had redundancy, but some sort of software problem had prevented the use of alternative routing. Once they got it fixed (in hours), the service returned. Fixing the main line took days.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68339587


Locating the cut alone can take quite a bit of time. Especially if it is in a rural area and underground. Using OTDR technology and footage markers on cable helps, but digging up takes time...... not to mention calling in locating services to prevent you from hitting another utility buried alongside.

Getting a splice trailer and technician dispatched can also to time. Once on the site, prepping and splicing can take hours depending on the fiber count. I have been to jobs where it took 3 or 4 hours just to get the cable located and into the trailer for splicing. After that we spent another 4 hours splicing and that was just a 120 count. All this after the initial outage reported hours before anyone showed up to begin digging. In other words, it took almost an entire day to repair.
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bumpbumpbump
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[link to kdminer.com] OK, so there's this massive hidden - and almost inaccessible - cable upon which almost the entire state of Arizona depends for internet service, and what? We're supposed to believe it's one of those "senseless acts" of vandalism? Anybody believe there are terrorist cells in the area and this may have been a practise run for something much worse?
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disgruntled "ex employee"s might be involved , not saying it was ..
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Re: THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
You disconnect something to build a device between the two points.

Like a killswitch
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That's the most viable scenario I've read thus far
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Re: THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
You disconnect something to build a device between the two points.

Like a killswitch
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bingo
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Re: THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
Connection to Jade Helm?
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bump
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"Phoenix police said CenturyLink employees found that a fiber-optic cable in far north Phoenix had been completely cut through."

yeah, what pranksters.

Sounds like a dry run to me. Agreed.
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Connection to Jade Helm 15 beginning July 15, 2015?
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Re: THIS is why all internet disappeared in most of Arizona this week.........
getting internet thru a cable tv company
will probably keep you up and running
even when wireless is down





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