Working doesn't pay off

Oh, and starting my own side business would be even worse. Once again, I would get taxed to death AND lose all my remaining money on permits, licenses, legally compulsory healthcare/private unemployment costs, and so on.

Fuck, fuck, fuck.

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I refuse overtime for this reason. anything over 10 hours overtime, I lose money at my salary rate to taxes. At the 20 hour overtime mark, I only bring home 100 more than a 40 hour week.

crazy how you can work 60 hours and have zero to show for it.

at least doing it legally doesn't

almost every tycoon or rich family
fortune out there, they got rich by
illegal means

there are a very few exceptions

but most cases, being illegal
is what gets you wealthy

That's bogus OP, working has always paid off. Think of the house you paid for that your kids grew up in...

HAHA, I can't say that with a straight face. If you knew about finance OP, you could be wildly rich beyond your dreams. The cost of opportunity of owning a house could equal hundreds of millions of dollars if you knew enough to make the right investment...

Think of it this way OP, if you knew enough about finance you would never have to work again after 5 years of work. That is... You could make enough in 5 years after paying all your bills assuming you minimised your costs to less than half your wage.

IF you went to university and studied business, you could spend the rest of your life in the lap of luxury after working just 5 years after Uni! How crazy is that? I plan to work until I croak because I want to be the next Warren Buffet, besides my work will be meaningful and profitable.

It's so easy to make money and lots of it. Like billions of dollars...

All you need is to know how.

Yeah, and then they wonder why they've got a problem with people moonlighting.

You're the guy who always spouts about dirt cheap loans and buying and renting apartments? Sorry. Doesn't work in our system. The tax code is watertight in that area and it's so expensive that it's going to kill you if you want to do it legit. Renting places or refurbishing and selling them, it's all a loser's game - thanks to the ubiquitous taxes.

U get fukked in the butt by taxes in Finland too? Damn, where's a good country to move to

Take the free market away and that is what you get. The system will collapse because of the dead weight...it's just a matter of time. The U.S. has started down this path and is right behind you.

Get a visa and move....no brainer.

Find a way to make money on the side, off the books. Fix cars, handyman services, clean offices or homes, sell stuff on ebay, etc.

Daaaaa

The progressive powers that be don't want you working two jobs. They want your wife in the workforce so they can get their hands on your children, the longer the better, to indoctrinate them. Then, they can also get to your wife and fill her head with a bunch of feminist workplace garbage.

This. The best way to make any real money and have any degree of control over your tax situation is to work for yourself. Even if its a weekend hotdog stand, a cash-based business is the way to go.

No I'm not. Sorry to disappoint. I'm the guy telling you that if you save your money by renting a house you can use your spare money, as much as you can afford to invest and make heaps of money by doing so.

So much so that you can retire in 5 years time if you want to. But there's a catch, you have to study finance at university to do so. I'd tell you how, to save you the effort at uni. But I think you have to study to deserve to be rich. If you aren't interested in improving your life by education, then nothing I tell you will help. You need the motivation and drive to retire rich, if I told you how to do it you'd call "Bullshit it can't be that easy!" But it is and that's the thing anyone can do it. Anyone with a spare $10,000 a year can be a billionaire. All you have to do is grow it over the period of 30 years.

It's a long process and you need to sacrifice a lot to make it work but if you can, you will be able to buy thousands of houses! It's up to you, work your way through uni and study finance and you too can be rich! Warren Buffet studied at 3 business schools and if you want money then you have to study at one too! Read, read and read some more, as much as you can.

The best way to make money and I mean real money is to leverage your time. Sell something over and over and over again, like a book or an IPhone app. Make something that you can sell like software or even an Ebook. If you're working for the standard price one gets for an hour you'll only get chump change.

Two kids and a wife that works.... Costs me $600 a week just to go to work

In most cases it not what you make it's what you spend.

i had some questions in my mail today from my housing company that said "do you think it would be a good idea to raise rent for people that can easily effort their rent"

like wtf. i got so fucking mad.

these 'people' dont work. get free money and already have to pay like 50% less rent then me. now i should also pay more?! just because i have a job and pay my rent first instead of buying beer and having 4 pitbulls.

this world is turning into one big communist fuckfest.

some studys have shown that people over here that dont work and get all the benefits often have roughly the same, the same, or MORE money to spend then people that work fulltime.

i mean im a fucking idiot to even be working.
theres people in my street that havnt worked for years they have 100 euro more to spend every month then i do. eventho they receive like half of wat i get. but they also have to pay like half for all major things like healthcare and rent.

and im the idiot that has to wake up at 7 every day to go to a lame office job where like 90% of the people are retards.

im beginning to think that i am the retard here. for thinking work is something noble and normal to do...

great post

Are you sure you don't live in my town?

I'm in the same boat you are and sometimes I just want to give up, too.

Ever hear of lying about your earnings?

If you're working for yourself and getting paid cash then who's gonna know the difference in what you claim you're making?

Do you think all those corporate ceo's are honest? They lie their ass off. Even when they're telling the truth, it's a lie.

I'm divorced, two kids in the house, receive no child support, and make what's considered good money.

I live in an affluent state with a very high cost of living and if I made 15k - 20k less per year I'd eligible for what adds up to at LEAST 30k-40k in benefits and tax breaks.

I'd get daycare subsidies, school lunch subsidies, energy subsidies, property tax rebates, health insurance subsidies etc.

If I were to be laid off and collect unemployment, without having to pay for daycare, it would be a financial wash for the duration of the unemployment.

I'm essentially only working for works sake, but not really.

It sucks but

1) I love what I do. As careers go, this is a great one and not working would derail that. It's hard to get back in once you've been out - I've never been out.

2) I pack the kids' lunches anyway, and I'd rather have my health insurance than theirs. Other benefits have similar drawbacks.

3) I plan on living fully as long as possible and in order to do that I have to be as secure and productive as possible. I can't quit halfway through, and I can't be dependent on any person or instution to support my dreams.

The benefits of keeping going still outweigh the benefits of stopping. I just wish it wasn't such a small margin.

Ain't forced Socialism great???
Everyone suffers....especially those who want to work and do more.

The laws are written in such a way that NO MIDDLE CLASS PERSON CAN BECOME MEMBER OF ELITE CLASS

Seriously,all middle class professions like engineer,doctor and others should make you rich to be able to live off without no work after your 40s.
The progressives hate that.They want people to work for 40-50 years.Just so that you will pay most of your salary through inflation to government (means to people who have stake in govt i.e., elites) and bureaucrats,judiciary etc

At this stage in human history,no human should work after 40s.It is insane.We have so many time saving tools available,so much of energy and we work for 50-80 hrs a week?
For what?

How they get you by the balls is by convincing you that you need money. They also convince you that you're powerless, and cannot create a world without money.

This is so true.