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How can such a horrifying level of ignorance exist. Catholics, Orthodox, Jehovah Witness have got Jesus all wrong!

 
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Einstein said that imagination is more important than knowledge. I'm saying that love is even more important still. fuck wisdom without love, it's meaningless.

and why all the talk of 'destroying' or 'killing' the ego? I have read so many different definitions, and I still am not even sure what the ego IS, because that word means different things to different people.

Frankly, I'm tired of death and dying and violence and hatred and anger. and tired of judgement and shame and guilt. I don't want ANY part of me to die or be destroyed or hurt, and if I've 'gotten it wrong', what else is new, that's the story of my life..

but I think I'll stick with Love being the most important thing of all.
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Pederasts and pedophiles honestly think that their sexual predation of kids is love. And to believe this, they exclude their sexual predation from the very definition of harm by stating that it is good for the children, not harm.

So be sure that the love you hold and bear is the truth.
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Gnosticism is, and always has been, a cult and heresy.
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I spoke to one of those people the other day.

You know those people who go around preaching. With a sign in their hands saying to believe in Jesus.

They were going like crazy, saying "Jesus loves you. Jesus loves you".

If Jesus were to hear these people preach in His name, He would be disappointed with what He is hearing.

I spoke to the people, they even tried to lecture me by reading a few quotes from the Bible. They have completely misunderstood it.

They believe that because they go to Church, they will be saved.

They believe, because they believe in Jesus, they will be saved.

They believe, ignorance is wisdom, and oppose Knowledge of the Mystics.

The preachers go around talking, as if reading information changed anything.

Believing in the Bible accomplishes nothing.

Preaching and thinking about religious concepts achieves nothing.

If anything the erudite nature of these people, with all their reading, only enlarges their ego and self-worth.

I am a Gnostic. I follow Jesus' true teachings. A Mystic can astral project, and if he has the right spiritual level and refinement, he can speak and receive teachings from Jesus himself.

The religious people of mainstream religions have it easy. They only need to believe in Jesus, go to Church, confession, act morally, and they think they are saved.

For Gnostics it is much more difficult. It is not simply our behavior in society that is important. Moral codes only serve to patch the wicked ego of acting disagreeably. Even when we are alone, we must not have impure thoughts, feelings or emotions of any kind. And this must be done in the entirety of your life.

What is important is to transform within. To kill your ego. To know thyself. To have the Light be born into you. Not as some vague thing. But as a really Mystical transformation. Without an ego, moral codes are not necessary, for the Light free from Darkness acts, feels, lives marvelously with purity.
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OP, what you believe is an early heresy condemned by the church. [link to www.catholic.com] Astral projection is witchcraft, also condemned by the Bible.

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Re: How can such a horrifying level of ignorance exist. Catholics, Orthodox, Jehovah Witness have got Jesus all wrong!
I spoke to one of those people the other day.

You know those people who go around preaching. With a sign in their hands saying to believe in Jesus.

They were going like crazy, saying "Jesus loves you. Jesus loves you".

If Jesus were to hear these people preach in His name, He would be disappointed with what He is hearing.

I spoke to the people, they even tried to lecture me by reading a few quotes from the Bible. They have completely misunderstood it.

They believe that because they go to Church, they will be saved.

They believe, because they believe in Jesus, they will be saved.

They believe, ignorance is wisdom, and oppose Knowledge of the Mystics.

The preachers go around talking, as if reading information changed anything.

Believing in the Bible accomplishes nothing.

Preaching and thinking about religious concepts achieves nothing.

If anything the erudite nature of these people, with all their reading, only enlarges their ego and self-worth.

I am a Gnostic. I follow Jesus' true teachings. A Mystic can astral project, and if he has the right spiritual level and refinement, he can speak and receive teachings from Jesus himself.

The religious people of mainstream religions have it easy. They only need to believe in Jesus, go to Church, confession, act morally, and they think they are saved.

For Gnostics it is much more difficult. It is not simply our behavior in society that is important. Moral codes only serve to patch the wicked ego of acting disagreeably. Even when we are alone, we must not have impure thoughts, feelings or emotions of any kind. And this must be done in the entirety of your life.

What is important is to transform within. To kill your ego. To know thyself. To have the Light be born into you. Not as some vague thing. But as a really Mystical transformation. Without an ego, moral codes are not necessary, for the Light free from Darkness acts, feels, lives marvelously with purity.
 Quoting: Luke CosmicWalker


You are a liar! Orthodox priests do not go around trying to convert somebody
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Re: How can such a horrifying level of ignorance exist. Catholics, Orthodox, Jehovah Witness have got Jesus all wrong!
Do you even know what the church is?

You think a corporation is God?

You think that the church determines what is good and what is evil?

You think just because it is popularly stated in a mainstream establishment that it is bad?

You think it is bad to meditate?

You think it is bad to look within?

You think it is bad to restrain the desires and practice forgiveness?

You think it is bad to live in the present moment?

By opposing Gnosticism, this is what you oppose.

Gnosticism in its core is about living in the present moment, being peaceful within and praying to God. That's all it really is. But the effort to be in the present moment is a profound and powerful one, with a reverence and devotion to God. And in this present moment, a breakthrough of Gnosis occurs, which means Knowledge.

Every one of us, at night during sleep time, are out of our body in the astral plane. The only difference is, if you are conscious you will have astral projected. If you are conscious, you will see you are in the astral plane.

So by saying astral projection is witchcraft is no different than saying, being conscious is witchcraft.

Open your eyes and see the truth. Stop being told what the truth is, and experience it for yourself.

Don't allow the petty excuses of the ego, or the Illuminati which has taken over the church make you think that being conscious is witchcraft.

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You are all still asleep. Being informed of the political, global deceit, lies and propaganda and knowing who really runs the world is NOT being awake. You are all still ASLEEP.
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Yes, This is it people, listen. Learn what has happened.
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Re: How can such a horrifying level of ignorance exist. Catholics, Orthodox, Jehovah Witness have got Jesus all wrong!
Gnosticism is, and always has been, a cult and heresy.
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Heresy to who? Who has caused this trouble? The current day church attacked them. The Gnostic scriptures are closer to date than any other.
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Re: How can such a horrifying level of ignorance exist. Catholics, Orthodox, Jehovah Witness have got Jesus all wrong!
Christ must be born within.

The death of a Man, externally does not wipe away your sins! And why should it! Just look around you and you see the world is in sin! And ask yourself also, are you free from sin! Ofcourse not! You, who are susceptible to temptation, to lust, to anger, to envy, to pride, covetousness, to gluttony, you who are weak! How could you think you have been saved, when psychologically you are still a slave.

This stupid idea that Jesus' death has saved the world from sin is ridiculous.

Everything written in the Bible must be understood very carefully. Symbolically.

You are the world. Within one individual there is an entire universe. Within Man there is a Universe. As above, so below.

So when in your universe Christ is born, and within you are thousands if not millions of sinners. A legion of entities are within you sinning. So Christ takes the burden of your world upon its shoulders, and you are saved.

But only within those in which He has been incarnated.

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You are all still asleep. Being informed of the political, global deceit, lies and propaganda and knowing who really runs the world is NOT being awake. You are all still ASLEEP.
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OP, what you believe is an early heresy condemned by the church. [link to www.catholic.com] Astral projection is witchcraft, also condemned by the Bible.
 Quoting: GLP Effect


There is a reason it was condemned. It is because you can find the truth that way. Even Jesus told you the Kingdom of Heaven is within you. Astral projection is how you find that Kingdom.

I know you've got your nose buried in the Bible at all times but I assure you, the true Word of God is written on your heart.
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It is so laughable and even tragic that people have made the church their God.

Just because the church declares something heretical doesn't mean it is wrong. Get this ridiculous notion out of your heads. Just because something is unpopular, does not make it evil!

Even the religious leaders of those times considered Jesus a heretic, so they crucified Him. They exclaimed "He is a blasphemer!"

And after more than two thousand years, even those people who read the Bible, they supposedly believe in His message, but they STILL call those who would follow His teachings as blasphemers, cultists or heretics.

What hypocrites!

Who is the Pope?! Is he a god?! Is he a divine being?! Who made him the king of the religion?! He is nobody! Nobody I tell you! A false prophet! The blind following the blind.

The pope is the first in line to go to Hell. For he has shut up the Kingdom of Father against Man.

The human being has less than ten percent consciousness and the rest is all subconsciousness. It is darkness. The darkness is exceeding the Light in this world, in this realm within the human being. And as above, so below. As within, so without. The world you see is shrouded in darkness. The Light is only a speck, shinning in the emptiness. It is not that Catholicism is the majority so that it is true. No! The darkness has overwhelmed the Light. Light and Darkness is in battle. And so long as people hold onto the darkness, and its leaders control the flow of information, the true Mystery of Christ will continue to be obscured and misunderstood for most people in the world.

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You are all still asleep. Being informed of the political, global deceit, lies and propaganda and knowing who really runs the world is NOT being awake. You are all still ASLEEP.
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I spoke to one of those people the other day.

You know those people who go around preaching. With a sign in their hands saying to believe in Jesus.

They were going like crazy, saying "Jesus loves you. Jesus loves you".

If Jesus were to hear these people preach in His name, He would be disappointed with what He is hearing.

I spoke to the people, they even tried to lecture me by reading a few quotes from the Bible. They have completely misunderstood it.

They believe that because they go to Church, they will be saved.

They believe, because they believe in Jesus, they will be saved.

They believe, ignorance is wisdom, and oppose Knowledge of the Mystics.

The preachers go around talking, as if reading information changed anything.

Believing in the Bible accomplishes nothing.

Preaching and thinking about religious concepts achieves nothing.

If anything the erudite nature of these people, with all their reading, only enlarges their ego and self-worth.

I am a Gnostic. I follow Jesus' true teachings. A Mystic can astral project, and if he has the right spiritual level and refinement, he can speak and receive teachings from Jesus himself.

The religious people of mainstream religions have it easy. They only need to believe in Jesus, go to Church, confession, act morally, and they think they are saved.

For Gnostics it is much more difficult. It is not simply our behavior in society that is important. Moral codes only serve to patch the wicked ego of acting disagreeably. Even when we are alone, we must not have impure thoughts, feelings or emotions of any kind. And this must be done in the entirety of your life.

What is important is to transform within. To kill your ego. To know thyself. To have the Light be born into you. Not as some vague thing. But as a really Mystical transformation. Without an ego, moral codes are not necessary, for the Light free from Darkness acts, feels, lives marvelously with purity.
 Quoting: Luke CosmicWalker


the way is narrow, you cannot reach heaven by your own deeds or intellect. you must accept the sinfulness of our soul and call on the Son of God's sacrifice for your grace
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Christ must be born within.

The death of a Man, externally does not wipe away your sins! And why should it! Just look around you and you see the world is in sin! And ask yourself also, are you free from sin! Ofcourse not! You, who are susceptible to temptation, to lust, to anger, to envy, to pride, covetousness, to gluttony, you who are weak! How could you think you have been saved, when psychologically you are still a slave.

This stupid idea that Jesus' death has saved the world from sin is ridiculous.

Everything written in the Bible must be understood very carefully. Symbolically.

You are the world. Within one individual there is an entire universe. Within Man there is a Universe. As above, so below.

So when in your universe Christ is born, and within you are thousands if not millions of sinners. A legion of entities are within you sinning. So Christ takes the burden of your world upon its shoulders, and you are saved.

But only within those in which He has been incarnated.
 Quoting: Luke CosmicWalker


jaynod

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him

Jeremiah 31:30
But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge

Deuteronomy 24:16
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
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or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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From many NDE accounts, you'll learn what's important is not necessarily believing in Jesus' existence, but rather believing and practicing what Jesus taught, which is primarily about being kind and helpful to others.

Yes have loving thoughts about others are important.

And if you truly do have love in your mind and heart for others, you would do loving actions, such as helping them, if necessary.
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I had a NDE 8 years ago and I didn't experience any deities. Rather, those very few things I learned while in the NDE seemed to come from within me. This isn't a lesson or advice for others, but a personal event that has caused me to to come to my understanding. I now know what "the Kingdom of God is within you" means, and what "born again" really means (you can only be "born again" when the spirit, consciousness...whatever...leaves the body). At the beginning of my NDE I felt as if I'd just come into existence (born...not feeling born again, but rather having just been "born" because I had no cognizance of having existed before).
What you say makes a great deal of sense to me. The idea that the importance that (supposedly) Jesus died on the cross for paying for original sin is not the issue. The issue is what he taught (if he did indeed exist). IOW, it's not important what you believe (or don't believe), it's that we understand the meaning of forgiveness and practice unconditional love. This is what I see sorely lacking in way too many of the people I know who claim to be "born again". They're vain, exclusive and even at times intolerant of others who aren't a member of their religion and think they're witnessing for Jesus in looking down on those who aren't "born again" or don't believe in their religion. "Born again"? Based on what I actually experienced (and again, it's my experience and not meant as a lesson or advice) they don't even know what they're talking about because in their zeal they don't turn they're cheek, are vain....and they pray in front of each other as hypocrites do (Jesus' words...not mine.) They don't understand what "the Kingdom of God is within you" means because they're always quoting from the bible instead of practicing the essence of what Jesus taught.
And the bible is the inerrant word of God? Strange that an omniscient, loving truth imparting God didn't mention in the bible creation story that the sun is a star, that there are planets and the earth is one, or that many of the "stars" we see aren't stars at all but other galaxies. Rather, this indicates to me that those ancient writers were primitive nomads who were trying to make sense of their world as best they could and instilled their myths in order to survive. Lol... and it's still going on.
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OP, what you believe is an early heresy condemned by the church. [link to www.catholic.com] Astral projection is witchcraft, also condemned by the Bible.
 Quoting: GLP Effect


There is a reason it was condemned. It is because you can find the truth that way. Even Jesus told you the Kingdom of Heaven is within you. Astral projection is how you find that Kingdom.

I know you've got your nose buried in the Bible at all times but I assure you, the true Word of God is written on your heart.
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Absolutely! Anything which interrupted the physical reliance upon the so-called conduits of God, the priesthood and popedom, was reviled and eventually made illegal...and all books and otherwise references to them were systematically eliminated (or stored in the Vatican vaults, I'm quite sure they saved the best stuff over the centuries).


What a refreshing thread to find on this Easter morning...heh. Thanks, everyone. Yeah, I know it is after noon.

Cheers,
John
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What is the first step to ridding oneself of these impure thoughts?
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Join more religions, learn Hebrew.
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First understand your spiritual poverty, then seek and ye shall find God.





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