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Iran tests a Sunburn missile Saturday. | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7499  United States08/26/2006 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 95874 United States08/26/2006 08:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 60 miles? are you kidding? i could throw a missile further than that Quoting: Anonymous Coward 125363The Strait of Hormuz, Wikipedia [link to en.wikipedia.org] "The Strait of Hormuz is a narrow, strategically important stretch of ocean between the Gulf of Oman in the southeast and the Persian Gulf in the southwest. On the north coast is Iran (Persia) and on the south coast is the United Arab Emirates and Musandam, an exclave of Oman. The strait at its narrowest is 21 miles wide" |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 125363 United States08/26/2006 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 60 miles? are you kidding? i could throw a missile further than that Quoting: Anonymous Coward 95874The Strait of Hormuz, Wikipedia [link to en.wikipedia.org] "The Strait of Hormuz is a narrow, strategically important stretch of ocean between the Gulf of Oman in the southeast and the Persian Gulf in the southwest. On the north coast is Iran (Persia) and on the south coast is the United Arab Emirates and Musandam, an exclave of Oman. The strait at its narrowest is 21 miles wide" is iran at odds with uae? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 136066  Canada08/26/2006 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This missle makes offensive naval forces almost obsolete, it really does. I know that it comes as a hard blow to some, but missle technology has come so far in the last decade that it truly is the number one threat to larger military forces and has made them nothing more than sitting ducks in the water, and even on land. This was clearly shown with Hezbollah, who barely scratched the surface of Irans capability when it comes to modern missle technology. The Israeli tanks are some of the BEST tanks in the world, feared throughout the Middle east, and a HUGE expendature for Israel. Yet many were lost by guys on dirtbikes with shoulder fired anti tank missles. The same can be said for light aluminum speed boats, on the water. A cheap fishing boat can hide and fire a sunburn missle. It cost nothing, and is almost disposable, but the sunburn is a thing of awesome power. To attack Iran with Naval forces while they are producing and stockpiling sunburns and sunburn clones would be absolute suicide. These weapons are virtually unstoppable, extremely portable, and cheap to manufacture and mas produce. They don't call the sunburn, the "carrier killer" for nothing. I will be BS flagged and ridiculed all day long for saying this, and I am sorry to let people know, but if Iran has significant numbers of these missles, then we are outgunned in the water. War is changing, and missle tech is changing it. Think about the cost of a carrier, and how many sunburns can be manufactured for the same cost, and you will truly understand what I am talking about. |
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Ningishiddza  User ID: 124957 United States08/26/2006 09:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Iran is said to have successfully tested an upgraded, indegenious, guided surface-to-sea missile, media reports confirmed on Saturday Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7499A guided surface-to-sea missile? Wow, this is truly an informed source knowledgeable in the subject area which I would find credible. Not. There's no such thing. I guess they think if they make it sound scary it will convince all able bodied male and female Americans to voluntarily enlist in the military to go get slaughtered in Iran. The Sunburn is a surface-to-surface anti-ship missile. Period. The Sunburn is not guided, it is a "fire and forget" missile. In case you forgot, I will remind you that the Earth is a spheriod and not flat. You should know that because if that were not true, then there would be no need for 750 gazillion billion trillion cell phone towers. Americanii-s de vina futu-i in gura sa-i fut |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 134562 Canada08/26/2006 10:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A guided surface-to-sea missile? Quoting: Ningishiddza(crap snipped) The Sunburn is not guided, it is a "fire and forget" missile. Of course it is a guided missile. It's onboard systems do the guidance, dummy. How else do you think it makes its way to the target? "Fire and forget" is a layman's term. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 136153  China08/26/2006 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The Strait of Hormuz is a narrow, strategically important stretch of ocean between the Gulf of Oman in the southeast and the Persian Gulf in the southwest. On the north coast is Iran (Persia) and on the south coast is the United Arab Emirates and Musandam, an exclave of Oman. The strait at its narrowest is 21 miles wide" Iran's subs are designed to lay smart mines that can be remotely (de)activated to let friendly shipping pass through the 2 mile wide Hormuz shipping channel, while blocking the unfriendlies... These mines can also lay on the bottom and rocket towards a ship passing above. In fact, Iran is at the top of the food chain when it comes to smart mines and we're yet to see how destructive these will be in the next war... "The EM-52 rising mines are part of a 3,000-weapon stockpile of (Iranian) anti-ship mines. This purchase is significant because, unlike most other mines, the EM-52 is operational in deep water such as the Persian Gulf. When the hull of a ship passes over the device the mine is triggered and a rocket is fired at the hull. Placed in choke points such as the Strait of Hormuz, this device could be devastating. " |
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| malu User ID: 128819 United States08/26/2006 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we have over the horizon defense systems that will counter act the sunburn, however, we have nothing inside a 30 mile range that will stop it, and they know it this really is an amazing cruise missile, it will sink an aircraft carrier with a conventional warhead, but they would be stupid to test it while we are in the region, let alone announce it, i think this is bs "By way of deception, thou shalt do war." Israel's Mossad "The truth shall set you free." U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 134562 Canada08/26/2006 10:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| malu User ID: 128819 United States08/26/2006 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And really, regardless of what systems the US has all they really have to do is fire enough missiles all at once. I wonder how many incoming vampires an Aegis ship can deal with at once... 2? 5? 8? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 134562when the aegis sees the sunburn, it has less than one tenth of a second to respond, parties over, that system will not defeat a sunburn "By way of deception, thou shalt do war." Israel's Mossad "The truth shall set you free." U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto |
| D. Bunker ™ User ID: 134993 United States08/26/2006 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And really, regardless of what systems the US has all they really have to do is fire enough missiles all at once. I wonder how many incoming vampires an Aegis ship can deal with at once... 2? 5? 8? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 134562The AEGIS Weapon System MK-7 is able to perform search, track and missile guidance functions simultaneously with a capability of over 100 targets. :savetata: Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79718 United States08/26/2006 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A guided surface-to-sea missile? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 134562(crap snipped) The Sunburn is not guided, it is a "fire and forget" missile. Of course it is a guided missile. It's onboard systems do the guidance, dummy. How else do you think it makes its way to the target? "Fire and forget" is a layman's term. It's also a smart missle. It has so called "termination maneuvers" to thwart missile deterence. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 136066 Canada08/26/2006 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The switch in tactics bettween large force face to face combat is a huge problem for the American, and Israeli forces I think. It's enemies have figured out that small forces with portable launching systems of highly technical weapons, that cost less to manufacture because they do not require multi billion dollar investments to just to transport, are preferable to a face to face conflict. These small independant bands of fighters are hard to target, and easy to hide. The problem is one of OFFENCE vs. DEFENCE really, because these fighters don't have to PROJECT power, and can even store and have acsess to these weopons close to home. This was the case with Hezbollah too, and you can bet it will hurt America should they choose to take on Iran. In essense you could train and hire a guy to act civilian, and use him from his house to quickly deploy to his weapon, transport it a short distance, fire it, and return for supper. With the capability of these "fire and forget" missiles that have a LOT of punch, this guy one guy, or small group of guys could be a real threat to an entire fleet of ships. It is a REAL logistical problem. The Iranian army has invested in dirtbikes, if you can believe it! It is their vehicle of choice for the Basij forces, so this tells you the kind of mobility and low cost thay are aiming for. It is an interesting choice and very inventive form of warfare that they are looking to employ. While Rumsfeld argues to produce million dollar "striker" light armour units for speed of deployment, Iran is investing in hundred dollar dirtbikes which are 100 times faster and more manuverable, easier to hide, and more independant. I have to hand it to Iran. They are AWESOME stratagists, and have used their money FAR more wisely, IMO. |
| Omega User ID: 114499 United States08/26/2006 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we have over the horizon defense systems that will counter act the sunburn, however, we have nothing inside a 30 mile range that will stop it, Quoting: maluSorry Malu. Google Searam. Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science. _____________________________________ Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide. Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 136153 China08/26/2006 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The strait at its narrowest is 21 miles wide" Iran's subs are designed to lay smart mines that can be remotely (de)activated to let friendly shipping pass through the 2 mile wide Hormuz shipping channel, while blocking the unfriendlies... These mines can also lay on the bottom and rocket towards a ship passing above. In fact, Iran is at the top of the food chain when it comes to smart mines and we're yet to see how destructive these will be in the next war... "The EM-52 rising mines are part of a 3,000-weapon stockpile of (Iranian) anti-ship mines. This purchase is significant because, unlike most other mines, the EM-52 is operational in deep water such as the Persian Gulf. When the hull of a ship passes over the device the mine is triggered and a rocket is fired at the hull. Placed in choke points such as the Strait of Hormuz, this device could be devastating. " |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 124261  Austria08/26/2006 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The sunburn is the best defensive surface to sea missile money can buy. It is also the best choice of weapons that China ever bought from Russia. I wonder how Bush is going now to convince the public to rush to a war with such a well armed foe. He cant. Unless he is hidding some super duper alien technology.  |
| LEGION, FOR THERE ARE MANY User ID: 117859 United States08/26/2006 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This missle makes offensive naval forces almost obsolete, it really does. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 136066I know that it comes as a hard blow to some, but missle technology has come so far in the last decade that it truly is the number one threat to larger military forces and has made them nothing more than sitting ducks in the water, and even on land. This was clearly shown with Hezbollah, who barely scratched the surface of Irans capability when it comes to modern missle technology. The Israeli tanks are some of the BEST tanks in the world, feared throughout the Middle east, and a HUGE expendature for Israel. Yet many were lost by guys on dirtbikes with shoulder fired anti tank missles. The same can be said for light aluminum speed boats, on the water. A cheap fishing boat can hide and fire a sunburn missle. It cost nothing, and is almost disposable, but the sunburn is a thing of awesome power. To attack Iran with Naval forces while they are producing and stockpiling sunburns and sunburn clones would be absolute suicide. These weapons are virtually unstoppable, extremely portable, and cheap to manufacture and mas produce. They don't call the sunburn, the "carrier killer" for nothing. I will be BS flagged and ridiculed all day long for saying this, and I am sorry to let people know, but if Iran has significant numbers of these missles, then we are outgunned in the water. War is changing, and missle tech is changing it. Think about the cost of a carrier, and how many sunburns can be manufactured for the same cost, and you will truly understand what I am talking about. I agree with you 100%. The Sunburn`s kinetic energy can roll an aircraft carrier. As things stand now, theres nothing I`m aware in the U.S. or Israeli arsenal that can stop the Sunburn.........LEGION. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79718 United States08/26/2006 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we have over the horizon defense systems that will counter act the sunburn, however, we have nothing inside a 30 mile range that will stop it, Quoting: OmegaSorry Malu. Google Searam. yeah they go like 2200mph or something like that. Lets see...20 miles 2200mph, flight time... 33 seconds. good luck. |
| malu User ID: 128819 United States08/26/2006 11:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.raytheon.com] hey lets hope i am wrong, or it will be up to people like you and me to defend this country "By way of deception, thou shalt do war." Israel's Mossad "The truth shall set you free." U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto |
| D. Bunker ™ User ID: 134993 United States08/26/2006 11:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yeah omega, d bunker showed me this system,, i really have my doubts though Quoting: malu[link to www.raytheon.com] hey lets hope i am wrong, or it will be up to people like you and me to defend this country Currently there is no Aircraft Carrier within range of Iran's missiles. :savetata: Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 124261 Austria08/26/2006 11:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we have over the horizon defense systems that will counter act the sunburn, however, we have nothing inside a 30 mile range that will stop it, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79718Sorry Malu. Google Searam. yeah they go like 2200mph or something like that. Lets see...20 miles 2200mph, flight time... 33 seconds. good luck. Only thing you need to counter any fast anti missile system is modify dummy missiles with flares giving the anti missile system thousands of dummy targets. Just look the specifications. A weapon like sunburn is undefeatable unless you can employ force fields and UFOs. lol |
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| Ningishiddza User ID: 124957 United States08/26/2006 11:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A guided surface-to-sea missile? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79718(crap snipped) The Sunburn is not guided, it is a "fire and forget" missile. Of course it is a guided missile. It's onboard systems do the guidance, dummy. How else do you think it makes its way to the target? "Fire and forget" is a layman's term. It's also a smart missle. It has so called "termination maneuvers" to thwart missile deterence. I know that, but there too many stupid people on GLP that might think it is guided from its launch-point and not from on-board systems. Americanii-s de vina futu-i in gura sa-i fut |
| Ningishiddza User ID: 124957 United States08/26/2006 11:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The sunburn is the best defensive surface to sea missile money can buy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 124261It is also the best choice of weapons that China ever bought from Russia. It is quite excellent. I think it's superior to the Silkworm in many ways, but the Silkworm can be more readily modified than the Sunburn. My main concern about US ship-based defensive weapons is the conditions under which they were tested were not "real world" conditions. Reminds me of the Sergeant York ADA system they (can't remember the contractor) tried to pawn off. It did real well against a single target but when there were multiple targets it just sat there looking stupid. Americanii-s de vina futu-i in gura sa-i fut |
