The count of days - TZOL'KIN Cycle // Mayan Calendar // Two Wheels 13x20 // 260 Matrix

Very much possibly because people that know maya keep quiet.
No need to get feisty on a thread, please positively share you knowledge, it's very much welcomed.

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Yes, IMIX Is the "prime creator energy", so yes, very much can mean milk, semen, or anything of that nature.

Correct, more can be interpreted from the glyphs than from any word that can be assigned to it.

I may not speak the language, but I certainly can feel the energies.

The map is not the road,
the book is not the knowledge,
and the belief is never the experience.

This shaman-5 would know.

Shaman, like a condor (an eagle/phoenix)
5 like the fingers of mine & your hand (I'm assuming here, I've meet many 6 fingered peeps. lol )

:')

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Still, I like the "dragon" translation to IMIX.

It feels like also appropiate in representing of the red quality to those days, Very fiery, and powerful days. Something that is inside all of us.

Very much so, a Quetzalcoatl.

CHICCHAN-12

Chicchan means 'serpent', kundalini. Chicchan is the energy which lies coiled at the base of the spine and calls to our oldest and most instinctive drives.

Kundalini wisdom worldwide is essentially amoral, beyond opposites, and is strongly connected with both spiritual and sexual activity. Chicchan is a survivor, a seer-below-the-surface and is the first light of conscious instinct borne of Kan.

Wrong. It cannot mean milk or semen or anything of that nature. It means cosmic nipple. You are mixing concepts from the Nahuas of central Mexico and trying to make it fit with eastern and western philosophy, and attempting to attribute it to the Mayas. Anything gleaned from this exercise is meaningless because it isn't based on anything real. If you really want to understand, you need to suspend what you think you know and stop trying to correlate it with your own opinions and beliefs. Chicchan is not a snake. The word for snake is kan.

Quetzalcoatl isn't and never was part of Mayan culture. When the toltecs invaded around 1100 ad, they brought their religion with them and imposed it on the Mayans, you will not find any references to Kukulkan or Quetzalcoatl prior to the formation of the triple alliance. Again, you are mixing cultures and trying to attribute things to the Mayas that never were Mayan.

KAN is the power of renewal and growth, that "which you seed for later sow" The glyph is more like a Rising Sun.

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And their knowledge, (most of all ancient cultures knowledge for that matter) came from outer world sources. Stellar Adelphos.

Also, We are talking about Global Archetypes, no need to get feisty, really. All cultures have them, and share the same sources, hence the similarities.

The map is not the road.
Simulacra, simulacrum.

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Seems like everything I say, makes you angry or uncomfortable.
My apologies for that.

Still, by all means, keep contributing,
it adds good information for a better understanding on each compounding cycle.

Whatever. Believe what you will, if you wanted to learn I would stick around and share, but you aren't willing to hear. If I am testy, it's because as a native I get tired of people perverting our traditions and making money and "reputations" by misconstruing what is sacred to us.

Tranquilo, corazón.
No genero ni busco generar dinero a partir de nada de esto.
La información es y debe ser libre.

Una conversación real, sólo ocurre cuando ambas partes están dispuestas a reconsiderar sus puntos de vista. Yo soy como una ameba, se que la realidad es fluida, cambiante e ilusoria; diferente para cada uno de nosotros.

Manténgase conectado y contribuyendo, no está hablando con un gringo en búsqueda de fortuna. :D

Es mas importante ver lo que nos une, que enfocarnos en lo que nos pudiera parecer que nos separa.



~OM

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No tengo que considerar nada. Mi suegro fue uno de los guardianes del calendario. Era autentico Maya. Todo lo que sé aprendi de el, y estuve presente en abril 1988 en la ceremonia de renovacion del Baktun. En verdad te digo que lo que crees saber no tiene nada que ver con nada verdadero de los mayas.

Por favor, ilustremos entonces a la comunidad que le interesa.
Discutir por diferencias de entendimiento no conduce a progreso.

He vivido en Sur América, Uruguay, Argentina, Perú y muchos otros sitios. Para nada deseo establecer que lo que he aprendido es la absoluta verdad de otras personas.

Comprendo como la cultura indoamericana ha sido ultrajada física, emocional y culturalmente. Aún así, es el momento de salir de las cuevas y comenzar a educar a los interesados para que puedan ver su propia luz.

La llave está en todos y todos tenemos un pedacito del rompecabezas. Somos los mismos en diferente tiempo y espacio...olas que emanan del mismo mar; el debate es maravilloso, no tanto así pelear entre nosotros.

Es esto lo que en la actualidad mantiene a la masa sin poder e ignorantes. Compartamos en harmonía, Lo aprecio mucho y me ayuda a aprender.



Un abrazo grande, y de todo corazón, inlakesh.

beautiful

Originally, the Tzolkin Cycle was based on the 26 month synodic cycle of Mars and not the 260 day cycle that it 'evolved' into.

It was 780 days in length, 13 periods of 60 days for 26 months. That was the original Tzolkin.

It goes one after the other, yes.
[link to imageshack.com]
I'd disagree in that is based on the Mars cycle,
it would seem more like the synodic cyclic conjunction of venus, the moon & the earth. It's beautiful stuff, cycles within cycles.

It also shows the ebb & flow of consciousness growth:
[link to imageshack.com]

up...up...up we go!!!
:)

The 260 day version that is followed today is based on what ?

The 260-day calendar spread throughout the Mesoamerican cultural region, and it is regarded as being the oldest and most important of the calendar systems attested in the region, with an origin pre-dating its first appearances in Maya inscriptions.

The original purpose of such a calendar, with no obvious relation to any astronomical or geophysical cycle, is not securely known.

Why ? Because it is wrong, the 13*20 = 260 days only idea. It is simply wrong.

Well, references to the Tzolkin existed long before the Mayans. The Mayans simply inherited bits and pieces of a system of which the original basis was lost. They pieced together ideas of the 13, 26, and 20.

All human calendars have basis in the heavens. the heavens used to explain the lenghts of certain periods of any calendar. Only the Mayan 260 day Tzolkin is lacking such a basis and the reason why is that it is wrong.

The original definition/meaning was lost in translation.

Cycles of creation & growth.

It has also to do with the human gestation period.
Is not 9 month as many think, the gestation period for a human is exactly 10 moon cycles.

Ten moon cycles put you at 280 days;
counting from the last missing period,
260 days becomes the developing growth cycle

Consciousness expands too on this pattern, after daily following for a few rounds it becomes very obvious and powerful.

Is that based on the date of conception or the date of the mothers last menstrual cycle ?

The length of a human pregnancy is 280 days based on the mother, not the father.

Modern science knows now days that from the moment of conception,
exactly 10 moon cycles is the gestational period.

Older civilization were only able to measure from the moment the period became missing.
Deducting that last month, Leaving you on the 260 range.

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It is also relevant, that everyones name was the kin they were born at,
For example, I am an Eagle/Condor/Shaman of a #5 tone/intensity.
That would have been my name, and expressed within it some aspects of my personality.

The same like the iChing has 64 energetic aspects, and C.Jung differentiated and classified everyone unto 16 type of personalities; the creators of the tzolkin calendar distinguished 260 type of individuals, and custom was to name each accordingly

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Modern science, or every Obstetrician/OBGYN in the United States, uses the date of the mother's last menstrual cycle when calculating all pertinent dates that apply to a pregnancy.

They don't even ask when conception might have occured.

Just like today, females back then would not know the exact date of conception as more than likely they would have no idea.

Expectant mothers have been calculating their due dates based on their menstrual cycles from the very beginning of human existence.

The same system is used today as it always has been, although it would have been used more secretively in the past.

Yes, the idea of deducting time to account for the father or when conception occured has long been considered.

However, it is two weeks or 14 days that has been traditionally used. 280 days is 40 weeks. Sacrificing two weeks will provide the date of conception.

References to this practice can be found in various sources, although most if not all the time the details of the practice have been lost in translations.

Example,in the Gospel of Luke(2:22–40) Mary and Joseph took the Infant Jesus to the Temple in Jerusalem forty days after his birth to complete Mary's ritual purification after childbirth, and to perform the redemption of the firstborn son, in obedience to the Torah.

Luke explicitly says that Joseph and Mary take the option provided for poor people (those who could not afford a lamb) (Leviticus 12:8), sacrificing "a pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons."

What actually was to occur was Mary was to deduct or 'sacrifice' two weeks of her pregnacy to provide a date that Joseph would agree to as being when he impregnated her. 'course the story takes another path altogether from there...

Anyhow, point is a pregancy would be 266 days based on the father and not the 260 days which is the topic of this thread.

As far as tracing the beginnings of the Tzolkin in able to find the original basis of that calendar one needs only go to the Aztec calendar equivalent, called the Tonalpohualli, in the Nahuatl language.

The Nahuatl language leads the way to the origin---

For the past few years, I have been comparing the linguistic correspondence between the Egyptian [Kemi] hieroglyphs and some of the Native Indian languages of the Americas....

In these studies, my research shows that the different Native Indian languages of the Americas relate in different ways to ancient Egyptian.

With regard to Nahuatl specifically, I find it significant that if the letter “L” is dropped from many of the words of the Nahuatl language of the ancient Aztecs [Nahuas or Mexicas], then similar/same word-concepts appear that resemble the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs, the language of the Kemi.

In fact, it would appear as though ancient Nahuatl without the letter "L" is actually ancient Egyptian.

[link to earthmatrix.com]

Now that is a revelation isn't it...seems maybe the ancient egyptians had a hand in crafting the original Tzolkin...

...and/or both had a same origin. Stellar in origin.

Many stellar peeps gifting metallurgic, astronomical, agricultural knowledge on neural points all across the planet.

Loving the contributions. Thanks!!!

Is really nice when each person keeps a journal about their days energies and events. Helps to correlate and differentiate for each and everyone, on a 20 day loop, the similarities of the days compared to the changes in tone.

This particular image on the first page has a 4-day, 13-day, 20-day, and "Green Days/Neutral Days", that can be distinguish as discreet aspects of the cyclic energies.

Keeping a personal journal during a few rounds is an awesome exercise.

A large part of the pre-Columbian Maya book known as the Dresden Codex is concerned with an exploration of commensurate relationships among celestial cycles and their relationship to other, nonastronomical cycles of cultural interest.

As has long been known, pages 43b–45b of the Codex are concerned with the synodic cycle of Mars

The discovery that the 780-day table on pages 43b–45b of the Dresden Codex had something to do with Mars was made nearly a century ago.

In addition to being the length of three 260-day sacred calendar cycles or tzolkins, 780 days is very close to the mean synodic period of Mars.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Hey your welcome and thank you. :)

The origins of the calendar are pre Maya. The oldest date discovered is in Chiapas state, Chiapa de Corzo and refers to a year around 100 ad (don't remember exactly). The Maya further perfected the calendar left by the ancient ones and a similar calendar developed in Central Mexico (borgia codex). The Aztecs only founded their capital in 1363, long after the Mayas had settled into a more simplified life. The Aztecs were not native Nahuatl speakers, and they had nothing to do with the culture of the Altiplano. They were latecomers from the north, they rewrote history for propaganda reasons and largely misinterpreted what was left by the ancient peoples of central Mexico.

As for Nahuatl, I do speak quite a bit and I challenge the statement about its similarity to Egyptian.

The Maya glyphs are phonetic, and to try to interpret them without knowing the language is a futile exercise.

Sure, but there is no question that the Tzolkin is based on the synodic cycle of the planet Mars. As far as them 'perfecting it', no. They did not fully understand what the pre-Maya folks knew.

Well, if you would, let an expert explain it to you.

In our more detailed analyses of the possible correspondence among words of the ancient Egyptian language and nahuatland maya, we have seen that some word-concepts are almost exactly the same in phonetic values. Furthermore, the maya glyphs and ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs share extremely common designs in similar/same word-concepts. --Sounds, Symbols and Meaning:
Ancient Egyptian, Maya and Nahuatl--Charles William Johnson

[link to earthmatrix.com]