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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58670080  United States08/31/2015 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2091907 United States08/31/2015 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2091907 the 'dollar' has a negative value already! the dollar, by law is a certain amount of GOLD or SILVER of a set purity. those digits in the bank account are NOT backed by Gold or Silver and have NO VALUE. THAT IS WHAT "FAITH BASED FIAT CURRENCY" means, no value but what someone else agrees its worth. fact is, everyone knows it not worth anything, so they lack FAITH and the truth will always end faith based lies. people will simply stop accepting that paper or electronic digits as being worth whatever good or service you want to trade for it. the whole world will wake up to that fact, if not today it will and then what? Chaos! However, our dollar is not tied to the value of gold or silver since Nixon took us off the gold standard in the early 70's. really? OUR dollar? or the Federal Reserve "dollar" a total counterfeit currency NOT issued by the Treasury Congress. the very fact you call it OUR dollar shows how blind and ignorant you are. and the dollar value of ONE OUNCE of GOLD is still 47 dollars, that proves what you call "our dollar" is NOT ours nor is it a dollar. Be nice. THE DOLLAR is not tied to the value of gold or silver. Look it up. Before you were probably born, we had a lot of inflation, and I remember paying 21% interest on loans. Do some research. try to keep up, the Federal Reserve note is not the Dollar, which must, by federal law, be backed directly in gold or silver, bullion or coin at face value. the Federal Reserve note has NEVER been backed by gold. do your own research because you clearly do not even know what a Federal Reserve note IS, much less a United States dollar, which is and has been defined by Federal law since the 1800s. the official value of one ounce of gold is, by Federal law, 47 Dollars, or face value of the Coin, it has been that value since 1977, do your own research and learn something, cause you do not know what you are talking about. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70181907 United States08/31/2015 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is coming to a close, You just can't keep on printing money forever. The whole world will not participate anymore. If you really want to see how screwed you really are, look at the cities and states, Chicago, California etc. They are bleeding money like there is no tomorrow. |
Rufus Juice  User ID: 34653304 United States08/31/2015 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | china is the bank. the us is the homeowner, or business owner - the terms say, we can callin your loans - whenever. they haven't had to call, in recent years they've been higher on the hog. they are calling ~ the US is pretending no one is home. that works for a while. and then the sheriff shows up one day ~ and says, get out, or your going to jail. When China shows up ~ "this lands is your land, this land is my land....." turns into: this land is our land. Like at the buffet, no sharing. you leave now. gtfo Last Edited by Rufus Juice on 08/31/2015 08:57 PM "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace" Jimi Hendrix |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69377630 United States08/31/2015 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So when we have a budget deficit, then the Federal Reserve issues more Treasuries - Bills, Notes and Bonds. In other words, they issue paper. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69377630 In exchange, the Fed will only accept US$ to buy that US Debt.FALSE, the Federal Reserve only accepts goods and services AT FACE VALUE for the debt issued. taxes (valued in $) are only used to offset the interest on the debt, it does NOT pay the principle!! They are, in effect, taking US$ OUT of circulation. not so, the debt remains on the books until the goods and services are collected, nothing else is accepted as payment of the principle. So, if China is buying up all those debt instruments, the. Where do they get the US$ to buy them? The Chinese currency is the Renminbi/Yuan. China first has to exchange their Yuans in order to get those US$. Then they can buy those t-bills, notes and bonds. If China will no longer buy the US debt, then the Federal Reserve has to "disappear" the US$. The question is: How will they "disappear" the US$ to avoid too much in circulation? The Answer: Wanton and indiscriminate SPENDING into the government abyss! What is the most effective way to Spend big govt. money? War! They will throw trillions of US$ into "Defense" and, quite literally, blow it all up! The sole purpose for war, is to "disappear" the US$ in order to maintain a healthy circulation of the US$. what they will destroy by war is the COLLATERAL (goods and services) this will do nothing but allow NEW dept to be issued to "rebuild" they cannot just come out and admit they own everything (titles), so they erase the collateral, then loan new "debt" to the nations involved to rebuild and the whole cycle starts over. So if someone invests in a T-Bond, they don't use US$? They use goods and services? Hmmm? |
| Pony Up User ID: 70057275 United States08/31/2015 09:03 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is another factor at play besides monetization of the debt. The owners of the Federal Reserve/Goldman-Sachs/CIA/Israel/Major Corporations/Big Agri/Big Pharma---are the "company store" as well as the primary employer/big Daddy for the populace. Their products are, and forever will be, needed by all peoples. They can release as much or as little "cash" into the system as they wish. They can remove as much or as little as they wish once the populace spends their monthly income on the goods and services of the above Owners. Quoting: MarPep The tax system has been primarily a way to keep citizens from becoming extremely rich. It has been assumed by most of us that it also funds the "Government" functions. Now that the Government and the Corporations are the same thing, we will have a new paradigm--concealed Fascism. Whether China buys bonds or not will have little influence on spending or inflation. Those things will be completely controlled by TPTB. So true, MarPep. I really do wonder for any of us who have to rely on any Government assistance for any valid reason(s), how we'll get screwed over later on by 'em. The best I can come up is "Learn how to deal with your disabilities the best you can so you can survive the impending false Apocalypse.". Your monies will keep pouring out from the Gov. They could reduce the amount, but will not stop, us treasury and fed will see to that, remember the ptb can print money, do not need to borrow. If your on SNAP, that may turn from money to Food Credits, and the stores/corporations will be reimbursed by the fed gov. But this could be tracked as gov assistance and setup somewhat like Obamacare. So if you see or have seen any disruptions in the processing of SNAP/ebt payments/usage, the software programming is being implemented/updated, so when they decide to change over, conversion will be smoother. |
| Agent for Freedom User ID: 1670853 United States08/31/2015 09:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Third explosion, one in Tianjin, 2 in Shandong. Quoting: Luxen China dumps Treasuries. Waiting for the big shoe to drop... ...don't forget the missile that was fired from the sub off the southern CA coast a few years back ...don't forget the cruise ship that went dead in the water and had to be towed to Ensenada...all electronics fried as though an EMP went off It won't be forever waiting for something to happen on our soil...best ge as prepared as possible...and ready to hang on tight...or as my bro says, "Hold watch got!" |
| Agent for Freedom User ID: 1670853 United States08/31/2015 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jim Sinclair and others are saying gold will hit $50,000 an ounce. Which means hyperinflation. Which means severe poverty for most of us..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58670080 See sir/mam, sure does. If you have time and are so inclined, listen to the two prophetic interviews Mena Lee Gribin did on the Trunews broadcast back in May or so. She talked about the black horse of the apocolypse...you know, the one that comes with the pronouncement "a day's wages for a loaf of bread" or something like that...yea, gonna be real hard just to put food on the table. But there will also be an underground network of good human beings that will help each other. And a little prayer wouldn't hurt either! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60551378 United States08/31/2015 09:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Having the lord Jesus as lord of your life is the only way you're going to survive what is coming to the Earth. Gold and silver aren't saviors. Quoting: GLP Effect neither is a god that no one has had a personal conversation with and any who claims that they have, there is a pill for that. the bible a book about God written by men..  I am the creator of my reality. that dude died today-did he create that reality too? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60551378 United States08/31/2015 09:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70211106 Does this situation mean that I should stop making payments on my credit cards? I just plopped down over $200 today!!!! That's money that could have been spent on food.... I feel like a fool paying my CC every month plus interest, I should be spending that $ in preps... Trick is to not spend any money on a credit card you cant immediately pay back at the end of that billing cycle in full. If you do that... you get to play with someone elses money and gain all the benifits of having a good credit score. If you cant do that? You shouldn't have a credit card cause all you're doing is fucking yourself with the interest. Lesson learned? Don't spend money you don't have. you do not even know what "money" is! ALL FIAT CURRENCY IS DEBT, dumbass! there is no "money" with the exception of US minted coins, which are not even real copper or silver anymore. YOU have never "PAID OFF" a damn thing! its ALL Federal Reserve DEBT. so called "wealthy" people just OWE more to the Fed/IMF. you know nothing about finance nor money, it is not FIAT, it is not "good credit" it is debt. the ignorance of people like you is only surpassed by you arrogance of your poor education on what money is or is not. Ignorance is why this mess is what it is, and you are just as ignorant and MORE to blame for IT than someone with a poor 'credit score'. i am in a trade.that means i trade my skills and labor for goods services or money.mostly money.the money is how the store trades with me.i trade fed notes for bread and eat it.simple.does not matter if it is paper sea shells or shiny rocks.some times i trade work with others who have a skill or service that i dont.no debt occurred in any of these transactions |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 63680180 United States08/31/2015 09:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jim Sinclair and others are saying gold will hit $50,000 an ounce. Which means hyperinflation. Which means severe poverty for most of us..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58670080 That's backwards. The dollar value is what moves...not the value of gold. Gold won't rise to 50k...the dollar will fall so much that 50k of them will be needed to buy the same oz that 1139 buys today. |
| Doomamatrix User ID: 56232629 United States08/31/2015 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I found it. It was on Nov. 5th, 2010; 15 days of economic collapse. I am on tablet now, can't do the Linky thing. Just look up the date and tit!e and should bring up some sites with the transcripts. One of the things discussed was that the chinese market would melt down and that the Dow would respond by dropping 1000 points within 20 minutes of opening. Yeah. Obamacare: Never has so much been taken away from so many for so few. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 68562353 United States08/31/2015 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | china is the bank. the us is the homeowner, or busi owner - the terms say, we can callin your loans - whenever. they haven't had to call, in recent years they've been higher on the hog. Quoting: Rufus Juice they are calling ~ the US is pretending no one is home. that works for a while. and then the sheriff shows up one day ~ and says, get out, or your going to jail. When China shows up ~ "this lands is your land, this land is my land....." turns into: this land is our land. Like at the buffet, no sharing. you leave now. gtfo Only China has no way to inforce anything. They gave the USA physical goods i exchange for an imaginary number. Not to mention USA is the biggest consumer in the world, so that means when US stops buying china crap their economy eats the shitter. US owns china, they need us more than we need them. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2091907 United States08/31/2015 09:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Patagonians I feel like a fool paying my CC every month plus interest, I should be spending that $ in preps... Trick is to not spend any money on a credit card you cant immediately pay back at the end of that billing cycle in full. If you do that... you get to play with someone elses money and gain all the benifits of having a good credit score. If you cant do that? You shouldn't have a credit card cause all you're doing is fucking yourself with the interest. Lesson learned? Don't spend money you don't have. you do not even know what "money" is! ALL FIAT CURRENCY IS DEBT, dumbass! there is no "money" with the exception of US minted coins, which are not even real copper or silver anymore. YOU have never "PAID OFF" a damn thing! its ALL Federal Reserve DEBT. so called "wealthy" people just OWE more to the Fed/IMF. you know nothing about finance nor money, it is not FIAT, it is not "good credit" it is debt. the ignorance of people like you is only surpassed by you arrogance of your poor education on what money is or is not. Ignorance is why this mess is what it is, and you are just as ignorant and MORE to blame for IT than someone with a poor 'credit score'. i am in a trade.that means i trade my skills and labor for goods services or money.mostly money.the money is how the store trades with me.i trade fed notes for bread and eat it.simple.does not matter if it is paper sea shells or shiny rocks.some times i trade work with others who have a skill or service that i dont.no debt occurred in any of these transactions All "goods and services" are pledged to the repayment of the National debt. Anything you do with a monitary value is DEBT, since there is no money to pay anything, that's why BARTER is taxable as "income". Just because you lie on your taxes does not change that fact. You know what? Never mind, it makes no difference, you are fucked along with everyone else and knowing why now won't change that. You are ignorant when it comes to this subeject and you will die in your ignorance, you children will die in their ignorance too, the only question that remains is if you will be lucky and die early on or will have to suffer because you are an arrogant, ignorant person, all the while asking "why". |
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| Agent for Freedom User ID: 1670853 United States08/31/2015 10:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | unless you are growing wheat and know how to bake you'll be eating shit samichs My wife and grandkids love Cranberry juice...I guy the gallon jug from Sams...6 to a case...been doing it for about 5 years...they are real sturdy...and very useful...I can't count the number of those jugs that are filled with grain, beans, sugar, flour, rice, etc...I have beans 5 years old that are really good...look for the real sturdy Ocean Spray bottles...course you have to have someone at home that drinks it! good luck. ps-fresh baked bread is delicious |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2091907 United States08/31/2015 10:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So when we have a budget deficit, then the Federal Reserve issues more Treasuries - Bills, Notes and Bonds. In other words, they issue paper. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69377630 In exchange, the Fed will only accept US$ to buy that US Debt.FALSE, the Federal Reserve only accepts goods and services AT FACE VALUE for the debt issued. taxes (valued in $) are only used to offset the interest on the debt, it does NOT pay the principle!! They are, in effect, taking US$ OUT of circulation. not so, the debt remains on the books until the goods and services are collected, nothing else is accepted as payment of the principle. So, if China is buying up all those debt instruments, the. Where do they get the US$ to buy them? The Chinese currency is the Renminbi/Yuan. China first has to exchange their Yuans in order to get those US$. Then they can buy those t-bills, notes and bonds. If China will no longer buy the US debt, then the Federal Reserve has to "disappear" the US$. The question is: How will they "disappear" the US$ to avoid too much in circulation? The Answer: Wanton and indiscriminate SPENDING into the government abyss! What is the most effective way to Spend big govt. money? War! They will throw trillions of US$ into "Defense" and, quite literally, blow it all up! The sole purpose for war, is to "disappear" the US$ in order to maintain a healthy circulation of the US$. what they will destroy by war is the COLLATERAL (goods and services) this will do nothing but allow NEW dept to be issued to "rebuild" they cannot just come out and admit they own everything (titles), so they erase the collateral, then loan new "debt" to the nations involved to rebuild and the whole cycle starts over. So if someone invests in a T-Bond, they don't use US$? They use goods and services? Hmmm? T-bonds are nothing more than promises to pay at a set amount of interest, they are not money either nor are they payable in money, they are all part of the estimated 90 trillion in outstanding and unbacked obligations said promises to pay create. You know shit about the truth of the shit we are in, but don't worry, it will become very clear to everyone very, very soon. Enjoy hell on earth, cause you helped make it so, fool. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2091907 United States08/31/2015 10:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So when we have a budget deficit, then the Federal Reserve issues more Treasuries - Bills, Notes and Bonds. In other words, they issue paper. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69377630 In exchange, the Fed will only accept US$ to buy that US Debt.FALSE, the Federal Reserve only accepts goods and services AT FACE VALUE for the debt issued. taxes (valued in $) are only used to offset the interest on the debt, it does NOT pay the principle!! They are, in effect, taking US$ OUT of circulation. not so, the debt remains on the books until the goods and services are collected, nothing else is accepted as payment of the principle. So, if China is buying up all those debt instruments, the. Where do they get the US$ to buy them? The Chinese currency is the Renminbi/Yuan. China first has to exchange their Yuans in order to get those US$. Then they can buy those t-bills, notes and bonds. If China will no longer buy the US debt, then the Federal Reserve has to "disappear" the US$. The question is: How will they "disappear" the US$ to avoid too much in circulation? The Answer: Wanton and indiscriminate SPENDING into the government abyss! What is the most effective way to Spend big govt. money? War! They will throw trillions of US$ into "Defense" and, quite literally, blow it all up! The sole purpose for war, is to "disappear" the US$ in order to maintain a healthy circulation of the US$. what they will destroy by war is the COLLATERAL (goods and services) this will do nothing but allow NEW dept to be issued to "rebuild" they cannot just come out and admit they own everything (titles), so they erase the collateral, then loan new "debt" to the nations involved to rebuild and the whole cycle starts over. So if someone invests in a T-Bond, they don't use US$? They use goods and services? Hmmm? T-bonds are nothing more than promises to pay at a set amount of interest, they are not money either nor are they payable in money, they are all part of the estimated 90 trillion in outstanding and unbacked obligations said promises to pay create. You know shit about the truth of the shit we are in, but don't worry, it will become very clear to everyone very, very soon. Enjoy hell on earth, cause you helped make it so, fool. |
| Agent for Freedom User ID: 1670853 United States08/31/2015 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is the DOOM chart for DOOM lovers: [link to finviz.com] The VIX measures volatility in the S&P 500. Look it up on investopedia or wherever. Once the VIX hits 30 the market will go into a frenzy...but it will get to 60 or so before the big fireworks go off...a VIX of 60 will be like the grand finale of a fireworks show. ...but a VIX of 30 will scare the shit out of most any and every trader on wall street...they don't believe in God or Jesus, but be assured they watch the VIX...they talk about it in their meetings...they look at it in the mornings BEFORE their first sip of coffee... ...watch the VIX...it is the match that will touch-off the gasoline... |
| HoodRats User ID: 70093867 United States08/31/2015 10:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's all part of the big game. Dollar has to be dropped in value to line up better with the other countries. It is too difficult to move the entire world over to a single currency when it is as scattered as what we have now. We will see hyper inflation to bring us down to third world status to make it easier to bring us into the global fold. All digital. Quoting: Gomez Sounds about right to me... How ya been? :P |
| Aeonpi User ID: 21236492 United States08/31/2015 10:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  :FairUSE: Walk the Line with Gentle Heart and your Mind will surely act in-kind. ~AeonPi Change your life. [link to www.pilotbeacon.me (secure)] The Potency of the Human Soul is defined first by the Laws of Creation, and second, by the awareness that these Laws assure Cosmic Stability and Spiritual Poise. ~~~ The Primus Code ~ WingMakers Sow a thought and reap and Act Sow an Act and Reap a Habit Sow a Habit and reap a Character Sow a Character and Reap a Destiny Sow your Seeds Now for the Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday and all is well. Thread: The Kings Secret... Do you know? (Page 5) A Writing Project [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57785819 United States08/31/2015 10:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's all part of the big game. Dollar has to be dropped in value to line up better with the other countries. It is too difficult to move the entire world over to a single currency when it is as scattered as what we have now. We will see hyper inflation to bring us down to third world status to make it easier to bring us into the global fold. All digital. Quoting: Gomez Sounds about right to me... How ya been? :P Glad to see you're still around ! Doing well ! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 64125131 United States08/31/2015 10:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70211106 Does this situation mean that I should stop making payments on my credit cards? I just plopped down over $200 today!!!! That's money that could have been spent on food.... I feel like a fool paying my CC every month plus interest, I should be spending that $ in preps... Trick is to not spend any money on a credit card you cant immediately pay back at the end of that billing cycle in full. If you do that... you get to play with someone elses money and gain all the benifits of having a good credit score. If you cant do that? You shouldn't have a credit card cause all you're doing is fucking yourself with the interest. Lesson learned? Don't spend money you don't have. Yeah, no, I have the money I just don't wanna pay any of it anymore, I could just pay the whole thing off and not have $ for a whole month but I'm too cheap.. I'm just happy it's not that much. I settle credit card debt for a living. once it's 4-6 months delinquent, i can get it well under 50%. then clean up your credit rating afterward. silly game. |
| wait....what? User ID: 69793845 United States08/31/2015 10:33 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's all part of the big game. Dollar has to be dropped in value to line up better with the other countries. It is too difficult to move the entire world over to a single currency when it is as scattered as what we have now. We will see hyper inflation to bring us down to third world status to make it easier to bring us into the global fold. All digital. Quoting: Gomez ^^THIS^^  |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69393298 United States09/01/2015 12:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks to whoever pinned this! Quoting: Ralph--a house dog There's clues all over the internet as to WHEN and what--I can't keep all of them in perspective. What I keep seeing as far as what looks like good advice is this: Buy long lasting material things that you are sure you will need in the future. Tie up 'loose ends'--get things repaired that need fixing, including yourself. (go to the dentist!) Don't keep a lot of cash in bank accounts or safe deposit boxes. Even if you are skeptical about the possibility of a major disaster, at least think out a plan to cope with it. NOTE: that plan should not involve plopping your ass down empty-handed on somebody else. Here's what I think. You say fix yourself, well I say the last thing we will do is just stop doing what we're doing because the dollar or stock market or whatever fake system collapses. I would like to think dentists will still be available, at whatever rate people can pay. I don't see people stopping their trades as long as the need exists. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70197840 United States09/05/2015 02:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The truth is simple: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1472135 we all owe 820,000$ and very few of us have that, so... collectively we are fucked. However, the human being's capacity for denial is simply amazing. Nevertheless, the Chinese piper looms... I dont owe shit. I have 805 credit score and zero debt. What the criminal federal government or the equally as criminal federal reserve does is not of my concern. They made their own mess. It damn well *should* be your concern. Like it or not, anything they do DOES affect your life. You are not immune. |
