Socialism and Communism. It's time for a discussion.

Do you actually know why people under communist regimes were more eager to help and felt more secure?

There are a few reasons... First of all, what I can say about my country, people were extremely poor by today's European standards and most were equally poor, so in a way they shared their poverty with others, they simply had nothing to loose, if you have close to nothing that someone could steal, you obviously don't need to lock your door...

back then you HAD to rely on your neighbour's help because you couldn't just go to a shop, or call some kind of service provider to help you... People were simply unspoilt by modern conveniences.

However, tha main reason for greater solidarity among people in my country was that Poles (obviously apart from those associated with the communist party) treated the communist government as an enemy and thus were united against their common enemy.

Anyway in Poland in communist times you simply had almost no entartainment/shopping/career-making opportunities so people had to spend time with their family, but I'd rather say the reason was poverty not communism,

Most or possibly all European countries now are welfare states with capitalist markets, don't know if that fits the definition of socialism, or communism, perhaps the name corporate fascism would be better, anyway redistribution always leads to some fucked up situation like here in Poland where farmers who want to enlarge their farms can't do it as loads of people hold land just for the sake of receiving EU subsidies...

Industry vs. public vs. privet

Roots are important.

Take away the Fear of God, and the belief in a JUST GOD who punishes sin in this life and the next, and YOU CAN ONLY HAVE A MILITARY DICTATORSHIP fill the void that this creates...

Simplest way to explain,

all these social concepts have been turned on their head and kicked.

So it's all God's fault? Now, I will assume that you just are parroting a bit and did not think this out that much. If Christ said that His work was finished, and a Christian SHOULD BE A BLESSING AND NOT A CURSE… don't you think that God himself would want YOU, and His hands and feet here on earth making things better? His return could be postponed another thousand years. An attitude like you have is a recipe for disaster. Present an improved unit to the world, and leave a righteous legacy! Make the world a better place! Denounce Evil! Pursue righteousness! Love thy neighbor… you know the drill….

An example of government… The Indians had government. This is probably the Kingdom of Tonga, a Christian nation in the Pacific, they work and eat collectively, and church is mandatory… wouldn't work in the US….

Not in full agreement, but I appreciate the IDEA. We all suffer from the image in our mind of what government should be… and it is what it once was, because original thought is like the Phoenix… hasn't been seen since 400 AD… We should use IDEAS to formulate a new hybrid of government LIMITED in power and scope. Not a bad idea to have man accept and be responsible for himself as well as his neighbor. Once TPTB destroy the world and lay it waste, those who survive will have to build again on the ruins of what once was. May we leave behind good ideas and mental constructs for them to build upon….

Cannot participate in the survey as Communism is a fascist/totalitarian system and Socialism is a Democratic Responsible system that honors both mothers and fathers energy, like Norway.

Obama is NOT a socialist.

Obamacare is not world standard of medicare that is free or costs very little each month, depending on income. Is universal.

1000000% against any form of totalitarianims, fascism, theocracy, communism, 1000000% to infinity for socialism. Was born knowing this stuff. I AM Mother's Energy. Freedom AND Equality have to be wed or you can't leave this planet.

All people should have homes and actually believe money is slavery therefore illegal ponzy scheme.

Venus Project, no patents, no copyrights, all the highest clean technology belonging to all, we should already all have beamships in our backyards, not run on fossil fuels and earth cleaned up with reverse sine, and caretaken to pristine shape, with people living in abudance, developing their highest skills.

Anything else is extortion and slavery.

Last Edited by Sungaze_At_Dawn on 10/15/2015 09:47 AM

Socialism and communism are the same, run and promoted by the same group to the same ends, to have the individual give up infividual rights to liberty and property to be inevitably stolen by a class of immoral and amoral thieves to beneft for themselves by controlling other peoples resources.

Socialism and communism have the same end, to disconnect cause and effect and place all JUDGEMENT power in the hands of a few criminal insiders inevitably, intentionally destroying the original productive elements by creating a state collection agency that they control as a punishment and enfircement arm.
the result is that the public no longer has the resources to voluntarily give aid to those they chose to because theyve been forced to give up their resources to managers to transfer to their group of insider pals.
Socialism always fails for the target population because thats its intended endpoint from the beginning, to destroy everyone not in the insider control club.
Obviosly its not sicialism when minority controls the majority and forces and enforces suicide of national identity and culture.

socialism never builds anything of value from scratch, no, it loots the stored and potential resources of a region giving them to a group of nonproductive insider management class and leaves a hollowed out indebted shell of impoverished population with no say.

asocialism is restiration of minority control a monarchy by another name

You are a pseudo intellectual. BOTH ARE SYSTEMS BY WHICH ONE CLASS EXPLOITS ANOTHER… The communist experiment in Russia when it failed (Bolshevism) simply had another governmental form constructed upon it's ash heap… but there was still a system for tax collection in place. If you want to understand true Capitalism, you won't be able to. It in it's pure form is exactly what we have today. Bankers controlling economies with worthless currencies which they use to acquire hard goods… and they use governments as a means to this end… which they could care less what FORM that government has.

…and then you will become like the Martian in the Bugs Bunny episode with your space modulator….

Now we are getting somewhere… Two rules of all government


1. Hurt No Man

2. Do what Thou Wilt

Nock

A monarchy with the people under it following three rules… 1. Love God, 2. Love Yourself, 3. Love your neighbor… It can exist in little bursts and show it's beautiful head time to time… but until the collective turns it's head away from the shiny, glittering IMAGE, it won't be reality. Until then I think small representative form of government with a Meritocracy in place is best… Like how it would be if the lights went out, and the roads dissappeared.. You know about Serbia a few years ago…. neighborhoods worked together to secure a perimeter. There was no governance.

they try to replace free will
with mindcontrol

You have a great insight into this. Here in CR everyone is equally poor and the government is a common enemy. Everyone knows that voting is hopeless, and family and neighbors are really important. It has allowed me as an american to see how useless and irrelevant government really is. It spends all it's time trying to convince you of it's relevance… If it does that, and expends that much effort in the task, IS IT REALLY RELEVANT??? That is what we should question… Try to figure out how the roads would be maintained if there was no tax collecting thug with a shovel!

I don't really understand what your point is.

I agree what you said about capitalism though.

Soviet Union was no Communism, it was a Dictatorship.

The same for Poland and so on.

Communism has to be established yet, there never was Communism.

In former Yugoslavia we had a socialist concept, but not the Soviet one. In Yugoslavia you got everything you wished, you were able to travel the world, to buy expensive things, to live a very good life, good and free education, free healtcare, free university for everybody, no matter what your parents work and earn.

With the old Yugo passport you was even able to travel to the US without a visa !

It was paradise on earth..till neoliberal forces decided that this is a nogo..

you cant have a succesfull socialist country in a world where you teach your sheeple that only capitalism is good and makeable. Yugoslavia disproved them and so had to be destroyed. I hope you will burn forever in your shithole for this.

RIP

maybe you have ten iphones and fyve samung leds.

but you have no soul, no heart anymore.

you are a walking zombie..thats all. end of story

Umm, I am sorry, but I have to disagree. Love your "God"?!

Please don't tell me you spend so much time thinking about government, slavery, famine and at the same time cherrish the biggest tool for those abominations.

Eliminate religion and you solved 98% of Worlds problems.


And in Serbia there was governance, but then someone in 'Muricka decided they want to bomb said governance.

Too true.



Lybia was quite similar before they said they have too much freedom.

Real Communism will first be established when people evolve to something greater than "my little ass is more important thay yours is"

When people voluntary give up greed and fear of looing something. When you can take ten tons of tomatoe plants for free..but take just the amount you really need, and not as much as you can put in your bag.

When people let everything loose instead of hoarding it.

Real order will be voluntary order that hasnt to be forced upon anybody.

Till this day comes, go and pray to your imagined buddy for adults and follow your neoliberal overloards.

Of course, Jesus was a communist. Sell everything you have and give it to the poor.

our society: watch your own ass and give a damn on everybody else (except those 1% you are working and dying for)

The world belongs to nobody,
the fruits to everybody.

So Oil do not belong to Exxon and BP..it belongs also to you. Do you have "entrance" to it? No.

You have nothing. They captured everything, as like as god made it them a gift. But there is no god. Its just their mindcontrol story. The tell you to think about the world that comes after death, so they can STEAL THIS WORLD from you!

You have been duped by your rich scum

BAMBOOZLED AGAIN ARE WE?

Russian Official: Obama is a Communist KGB Agent
....A Russian government official bragged that Barack Obama was a KGB operative and that his presidency had been planned since birth, an American physicist and government contractor reports. Tom Fife, an American computer networking specialist and international businessman, reported the alarming facts about the Kremlin’s connection to Barack Obama. The boast from a Communist Party official reportedly occurred during a business trip to Russia,16 years before Barack Obama was ushered into the presidency of the United States....
[link to fellowshipoftheminds.com]

Communist Goals (1963)
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS(1963)
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

The rest is here; [link to www.uhuh.com]

The Communist Takeover Of
America - 45 Declared Goals
You are about to read a list of 45 goals that found their way down the halls of our great Capitol back in 1963. As you read this, 39 years later, you should be shocked by the events that have played themselves out. I first ran across this list 3 years ago but was unable to attain a copy and it has bothered me ever since....
[link to www.rense.com]

Manifesto of the Communist Party
[link to www.marxists.org (secure)]

To clarify, I believe in God… as well as MAN'S desire to exist without Him. That is why church was invented… to control the mind… we don't disagree, and I won't proselytize. Truth however is foundational and not relative.

"The most urgent necessity is, not that the State should teach, but that it should allow education. All monopolies are detestable, but the worst of all is the monopoly of education." - Frederic Bastiat

yup.

yeah. "experiment" on innocent little children. then cover it up. who gives a fuck about them. once the data is in, then it's done on those with enough money. or the scientologists..

stuff like that, I know. they did that shit to me. electroshock.

Simon Black of Sovereign Man (AWESOME Free newsletter by the way) put this newsletter out today

Capitalism explained in 2015: “You have two cows…”

Simon Black
October 16, 2015
Dallas, Texas

When I was a kid, I used to proudly wear around a T-shirt explaining different economic systems using ‘two cows’ as a metaphor.

It started off like this:

Socialism: You have two cows. Give one to your neighbor.

Then

Communism: You have two cows. The government takes both and gives you some milk.

And

Fascism: You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.

I started thinking about this last week when I was in Caracas, because it turns out that Venezuela is a real life example of the two cows metaphor.

It started back in 2001 when the then-President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, introduced a law that called for the redistribution of land.

According to their ‘Bolivarian socialism’ pipedream, it was immoral for any single person or company to own too much land. So the government started confiscating people’s private property.

And any property owner who resisted was imprisoned. It makes for the perfect entry on that T-shirt I used to wear:

Venezuela: You have two cows. The government steals your land and imprisons you.

Needless to say, the law had an enormous impact on the Venezuelan cattle industry.

Cattle obviously require a lot of land; and running a profitable cattle operation often means having thousands of acres or more.

So when the government started seizing people’s lands, beef production in Venezuela collapsed. Duh.

They went from being entirely self-sufficient in terms of beef production in 1998, to, within a few years, becoming the second largest beef importer in the world.

50% Rule observed -- DEFINITELY READ THE REST OF THIS ARTICLE: [link to www.sovereignman.com]

Note one of the options for the quiz in the OP:

"Yes, they are tools capitalists use to surreptitiously capture the world's wealth"

Now note today's Drudge headline:

"BILL GATES: Only Socialism Can Save Planet..."

[link to i100.independent.co.uk]

Notice how conveniently he says the "private sector is inept" as if he didn't make almost all his money in the private sector, and suggesting that the government was somehow proficient or efficient (hahahaha). And notice how he says this right after making a $2 billion investment into green energy and calls for carbon taxes. This is an example of how the hardest core capitalists profit off socialism and how it's one of their greatest tools of wealth transfer from the poor and middle class to the rich.

"The world’s richest man, Bill Gates, has said that the private sector is too selfish and inefficient to produce effective energy alternatives to fossil fuels."

I'm sure he would know all about such greed and selfishness.

Mr Gates follows with: "Without a substantial carbon tax, there’s no incentive for innovators or plant buyers to switch."

Bill Gates just endorsed socialism, sort of: A boost for Bernie Sanders?

"Bill Gates, the former Microsoft CEO-turned philanthropist, says the private sector won't solve climate change. Did Gates just endorse a socialist solution?"

[link to www.csmonitor.com]

So, those who think socialism is the "cure" for capitalism are nothing more than useful idiots for the rich.