Sandy Hook: What are odds NPD rifle was "stuck in trunk" on 12/14/12?

Kill yourself.

Either that or Smith was just hell-bent on proving he couldn't have used a rifle that day.

I'd say it would be likely for him to keep silent on WC's actions in exchange for the other guys backing up his "I had no rifle" story.

It's always good when the "KY Jelly" shill shows up. He must be feeling the stress of this thing slowly unraveling. Will he continue applying lube when the subpoenas begin?

Tick, tick, tick...

Just some suggestion in some PR firm employee manual saying, "try to derail threads by getting nasty."

I wonder if the genius who dreamt that up realized that while "kill yourself" blather might turn away a handful of lily-livered passersby who represent his least problem, it only encourages those who are his main problem.

Sigh.

I would, but my rifle's stuck in the trunk.

Keep trying to muddy the waters OP. Pretending there is some intrigue we are all missing. Sifting through UNSWORN eyewitness statements. The FACT is there are no bodies and no shooter. The school wasnt even open. Total hoax top to bottom. No autopsy reports and no forensic reports!

Bahahaha

Oh blah blah blah.

There are plenty of threads on which you can opine away on those disinfoisms. You'll notice I don't harass people on those threads--I'm not trying to "convert" anyone (to the extent there's anyone there genuine to convert) to my theory.

I'm just pursuing what I believe (and now pretty much know) is the truth, or at least comes close.

Just have to give fair warning for those who know very little and run into your post's relishing fairy tale story with no backing of PROOF!

Just letting people know that your ability to create and fabricate such a fascinating story, for sure, but lacks any EVIDENCE other than your subjective "spin".

WTF are you on abaout, Buford?

No spin necessary.

Everyone in that report is scrambling their ass off to distance themselves from any rifle use.

Smith's "stuck in the trunk" just happens to be the most blatant.

Evidence exists in spades--why? Because State's Atty Stephen Sedensky has stated publicly that it does. Because Sedensky is on record--and on film--telling a judge that the 911 calls he's released to the public are genuine and contiguous, when at the same time his own audio expert claims, by default, that they are not.

This is evidence that someone's not telling the truth. It doesn't have to be a gilded, framed copy of a genuine 911 call to be 'evidence.' It simply has to be two men making public claims that contradict on another--or in some cases, the same man making two public claims that contradict one another.

It's called a Class D felony.

"As I exited my cruiser I heard approximately five rounds of gunfire that sounded as if they were coming from the front of the school. I attempted to remove the M-4 rifle from the trunk of the cruiser but the lock would not release. I closed the trunk and began approaching the front of the school to the right of Officer Chapman." (Smith, 00047345)

"Evidence exists in spades--why? Because State's Atty Stephen Sedensky has stated publicly that it does. Because Sedensky is on record--and on film--telling a judge that the 911 calls he's released to the public are genuine and contiguous, when at the same time his own audio expert claims, by default, that they are not."




Have you ever heard of the term "lying"? If you have then take this into consideration;

they can say whatever the fuck they want! They are immune. Whatever the reason, national security, blah blah blah, they performed this DRILL in the people's best interest! - this is what they'll say if ever we can hold them down to the TRUTH! But I suspect their arrogance has already taken this into account and believe that this will never be disclosed to the light of day!


So go one with your STORY..... but take into consideration -powerful people LIE!

They are not immune.

See also: Thread: Sandy Hook: Timeline silent on Chapman & Smith from 9:46 to 9:51:31 (shooter down)

Short version: Smith claimed his rifle was stuck in the trunk, so that Chapman's dirty rifle could be spirited away unnoticed.

They needed to account for one less M-4 on that scene. I think Smith just gave Chapman a clean rifle, stuck Chapman's dirty rifle in the trunk, claimed later it was "stuck," and voila--no dirty rifle for CSP to even think of confiscating.

Then again - that loud shot at 9:46:54 which I've attributed to Smith's handgun (the extra handgun casing found in the hall and blamed on the perp)...is awfully, awfully loud compared to the other shots.

Given that one guy yelled at me "you can't prove Smith fired his shotgun" or something to that effect (I'd never suggested a shotgun), maybe that poster messed up? Maybe it is a shotgun...

Hmm...starting to think now of that shotgun that ended up belonging to the perp...food for thought.

Btw, of all the countless photos taken that day, does anyone have one of Smith??

[link to i.imgur.com]

He's being sworn in as sergeant (recent), but on 12/14/12 would not have been wearing sergeant's insignia etc.

Unknown what weapon(s) he carried that day; possibly department issued handgun, or shotgun. Whatever it was, it was loud.

Short version: Smith claimed his rifle was stuck in the trunk, so that Chapman's dirty rifle could be spirited away unnoticed.

They needed to account for one less M-4 on that scene. I think Smith just gave Chapman a clean rifle, stuck Chapman's dirty rifle in the trunk, claimed later it was "stuck," and voila--no dirty rifle for CSP to even think of confiscating.


So the questions are: Are there any photographs of Smith at the scene with an M4 or Smith and Chapman in the same frame both with M4's? Any photos of Chapman without his M4?

Any photo of Smith with his M4 is problematic to this narrative since his is supposedly locked in the trunk. If he's seen carrying one, who's is it?

Does anyone know if there's a dashcam showing Smith running?

We've concentrated a lot on Chapman, but the leverage to this case may end up with Smith.

It is the most important day of your professional life. On no other day before December 14th, 2012, and on no day likely to follow it, will your rifle ever be as vital to your performance as on this day. On no other day of your entire career are your and others' lives more likely to depend on this weapon.

You say it was stuck in the trunk.

What are the odds?

What will a jury likely consider the odds to have been?

This story of the rifle "stuck in the trunk" is a weak, weak link in the chain of lies, imo.

THIS.

What I find way more telling is the first videos of the large gun taken from (supposedly) the trunk of Lanza's car. They show an officer handling the gun without gloves. I remember being shocked at first seeing that. It was one of the first clues that the whole thing was a drill. Later, those videos were blurred so you could no longer tell whether there were gloves or not.

By that time, that shotgun had already been handled multiple times by Penna--first to take it from the side of the car and throw it in the back seat, later to take it from the back seat and throw it in the trunk.

I think the shotgun was used by someone else.

But there are plenty of threads discussing the suspect veh and long gun in the trunk.

This thread is about the likelihood--or rather, unlikelihood--that an NPD officer's M4 would be magically stuck in his own trunk on the one day he needed it most.

And not just any NPD officer, but the partner of the man who was interviewed no less than 4 times by CSP detectives--more than any, single other first responder that day.

I think it's pretty evident Smith's "stuck" rifle was a way to get a dirty long gun out of that scene.

It was a good plan, too, a quick swap that could be thought up on the fly under the circumstances. The only problem--and it is a significant one--is that I doubt any jury would buy the odds that this particular officer's gun would be stuck in the trunk.

Surely they don't leave their M4s in the trunk overnight; surely they must be taken in at the end of the day, at least occasionally cleaned, stored in the gun room inside NPD HQ (right next to Santucci's drug operation, but anyway...).

Surely a malfunctioning trunk rack would be noticed; surely the odds of it malfunctioning out of the blue on the morning that rifle was most needed are lower than low.

That's the problem with a lie--there really is no perfect way, ever, to tell it. Something always gives it away in the end.

It occurs to me that this particular story--rifle "stuck in the trunk"--would not then be a CSP-fabricated lie. It would be in CSP's best interest to just gloss over any stuck rifles, literally ignore the issue. This is clearly what NPD told CSP.

And where is the "proof" to your swapping out the gun multiple times and arriving in the trunk?

Thread: Sandy Hook: How did Penna throw the shotgun in the trunk?

I ask again: What are the odds that Chapman's partner's M4 was stuck in the trunk?

Benechhi made it clear that he physically observed someone picking up something long from the floor and "shooting him on the head with it" or something to that effect.

There are two possibilities I see for the trunk trick: Either the boy really did have a Bushmaster and NPD executed him with it (necessitating its disappearance), or Chapman/Smith's own weapon was used to executed the boy (necessitating that weapon's disappearance).

The fact of the matter is we have no facts at all, only hearsay.