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The Demiurge

 
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Can you explain quote " how creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Particularly the no-thing and how can something be created from nothing ? Thanx.
 Quoting: ConsciousnessWar


When you put pen to paper, where did that thought come from?

I mean can you physically hold that thought, like is it tangible?

It basically is "no"-"thing". It only becomes something when you actually put those thoughts to paper or speak them. Now, take that example and apply it to the greater universe.

A universal consciousness or mind.

Remember, the mind of Man is microcosmic reflection of the macrocosmic universal mind, with the black man and women being the highest representation of that mind.
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I'm not sure a thought becomes a something because it is thought.
Is the thought not really just the recognition of something that was independent of your thinking it?
 Quoting: Craazee8


Okay I will give you another example.

There was a study where they were trying to see how the human mind or consciousness can effect the physical world, simply through our thoughts or intentions.

They did this by using random number generators. Each machine without human influence would produce the equal number of 1's and 0's as a control. Now the test subjects were told to go in front of the machine and through their thoughts alone, make machine produce either more 1's or 0's.

What they realized was that when the people were in front of it, the generators actually did what the test subjects intended.

Do you understand me now?
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


I understand it, it's Crowley's definition of magic, actually.
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Those concepts are only limited in this paradigm because the collective who defines them is limited.

When Nas said:

"Your arms are too short to box with (g)od"

He was not kidding lol

Idol1
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


Any human definition is a limit
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How so?
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


One of the fundamental principles of Taoist thought. There is just a unity, naming any part of the unity is to fail to see the unity. There is a ying and a yang. Only by defining Good can there be bad. Every thing a human being perceives is from the limited perception a human has. He can not conceive the unity and therefore can only define a limited part of anything.
 Quoting: Craazee8


Non blacks are the ones who have destroyed our unity. All that you have stated is just more new age nonsense. There perception is limited simply because they have only been on the planet for 6000 years.

An everlasting being has nothing on a eternal one.

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When you put pen to paper, where did that thought come from?

I mean can you physically hold that thought, like is it tangible?

It basically is "no"-"thing". It only becomes something when you actually put those thoughts to paper or speak them. Now, take that example and apply it to the greater universe.

A universal consciousness or mind.

Remember, the mind of Man is microcosmic reflection of the macrocosmic universal mind, with the black man and women being the highest representation of that mind.
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


I'm not sure a thought becomes a something because it is thought.
Is the thought not really just the recognition of something that was independent of your thinking it?
 Quoting: Craazee8


Okay I will give you another example.

There was a study where they were trying to see how the human mind or consciousness can effect the physical world, simply through our thoughts or intentions.

They did this by using random number generators. Each machine without human influence would produce the equal number of 1's and 0's as a control. Now the test subjects were told to go in front of the machine and through their thoughts alone, make machine produce either more 1's or 0's.

What they realized was that when the people were in front of it, the generators actually did what the test subjects intended.

Do you understand me now?
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


I understand it, it's Crowley's definition of magic, actually.
 Quoting: Craazee8


How can someone define something that predates their birth?
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Any human definition is a limit
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How so?
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


One of the fundamental principles of Taoist thought. There is just a unity, naming any part of the unity is to fail to see the unity. There is a ying and a yang. Only by defining Good can there be bad. Every thing a human being perceives is from the limited perception a human has. He can not conceive the unity and therefore can only define a limited part of anything.
 Quoting: Craazee8


Non blacks are the ones who have destroyed our unity. All that you have stated is just more new age nonsense. There perception is limited simply because they have only been on the planet for 6000 years.

An everlasting being has nothing on a eternal one.

Idol1
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


1. 'Non blacks' is a concept that directly opposes the concept of 'unity'. This makes you seem stupid.

2.'All that you have stated is just more new age nonsense'.
Since we're discussing Taoism, which is over 2500 years old, to call it 'New Age' makes you seem stupid.

2. 'There perception' when you mean 'Their perception' is a grammatical error that makes you seem stupid.

4. An everlasting being has nothing on a eternal one.

Since the dictionary definition of everlasting is,

ev·er·last·ing (ĕv′ər-lăs′tĭng)adj.
1. Lasting forever; eternal.

You seem stupid.

Is your stupidity eternal?
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I'm not sure a thought becomes a something because it is thought.
Is the thought not really just the recognition of something that was independent of your thinking it?
 Quoting: Craazee8


Okay I will give you another example.

There was a study where they were trying to see how the human mind or consciousness can effect the physical world, simply through our thoughts or intentions.

They did this by using random number generators. Each machine without human influence would produce the equal number of 1's and 0's as a control. Now the test subjects were told to go in front of the machine and through their thoughts alone, make machine produce either more 1's or 0's.

What they realized was that when the people were in front of it, the generators actually did what the test subjects intended.

Do you understand me now?
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


I understand it, it's Crowley's definition of magic, actually.
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How can someone define something that predates their birth?
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Writing pre-dates your birth, yet you accomplished it.
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How so?
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One of the fundamental principles of Taoist thought. There is just a unity, naming any part of the unity is to fail to see the unity. There is a ying and a yang. Only by defining Good can there be bad. Every thing a human being perceives is from the limited perception a human has. He can not conceive the unity and therefore can only define a limited part of anything.
 Quoting: Craazee8


Non blacks are the ones who have destroyed our unity. All that you have stated is just more new age nonsense. There perception is limited simply because they have only been on the planet for 6000 years.

An everlasting being has nothing on a eternal one.

Idol1
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


1. 'Non blacks' is a concept that directly opposes the concept of 'unity'. This makes you seem stupid.

2.'All that you have stated is just more new age nonsense'.
Since we're discussing Taoism, which is over 2500 years old, to call it 'New Age' makes you seem stupid.

2. 'There perception' when you mean 'Their perception' is a grammatical error that makes you seem stupid.

4. An everlasting being has nothing on a eternal one.

Since the dictionary definition of everlasting is,

ev·er·last·ing (ĕv′ər-lăs′tĭng)adj.
1. Lasting forever; eternal.

You seem stupid.

Is your stupidity eternal?
 Quoting: Craazee8


1. Unity is being one in mind and heart. We are of two different creations, therefore two different minds. You tell me how unity is even conceivable?

2. 2500 years is not out of your scope of influence or manipulation. Again, your collective is 6000 years old. Are we in need of a math lesson?

3. Sue me lol

4. An everlasting being has a creator or (g)od, thus a beginning point. A eternal one was self-created, therefore they are (g)od's in their own right.

Idol1
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Okay I will give you another example.

There was a study where they were trying to see how the human mind or consciousness can effect the physical world, simply through our thoughts or intentions.

They did this by using random number generators. Each machine without human influence would produce the equal number of 1's and 0's as a control. Now the test subjects were told to go in front of the machine and through their thoughts alone, make machine produce either more 1's or 0's.

What they realized was that when the people were in front of it, the generators actually did what the test subjects intended.

Do you understand me now?
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


I understand it, it's Crowley's definition of magic, actually.
 Quoting: Craazee8


How can someone define something that predates their birth?
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


Writing pre-dates your birth, yet you accomplished it.
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The correlation?

You lost me here.
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I understand it, it's Crowley's definition of magic, actually.
 Quoting: Craazee8


How can someone define something that predates their birth?
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


Writing pre-dates your birth, yet you accomplished it.
 Quoting: Craazee8


The correlation?

You lost me here.
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


You can define all kinds of things that predate your birth.
The founding of Rome predates your birth.
The invention of the cotton gin predates your birth.
Almost everything you do define predates your birth.
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One of the fundamental principles of Taoist thought. There is just a unity, naming any part of the unity is to fail to see the unity. There is a ying and a yang. Only by defining Good can there be bad. Every thing a human being perceives is from the limited perception a human has. He can not conceive the unity and therefore can only define a limited part of anything.
 Quoting: Craazee8


Non blacks are the ones who have destroyed our unity. All that you have stated is just more new age nonsense. There perception is limited simply because they have only been on the planet for 6000 years.

An everlasting being has nothing on a eternal one.

Idol1
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


1. 'Non blacks' is a concept that directly opposes the concept of 'unity'. This makes you seem stupid.

2.'All that you have stated is just more new age nonsense'.
Since we're discussing Taoism, which is over 2500 years old, to call it 'New Age' makes you seem stupid.

2. 'There perception' when you mean 'Their perception' is a grammatical error that makes you seem stupid.

4. An everlasting being has nothing on a eternal one.

Since the dictionary definition of everlasting is,

ev·er·last·ing (ĕv′ər-lăs′tĭng)adj.
1. Lasting forever; eternal.

You seem stupid.

Is your stupidity eternal?
 Quoting: Craazee8


1. Unity is being one in mind and heart. We are of two different creations, therefore two different minds. You tell me how unity is even conceivable?

2. 2500 years is not out of your scope of influence or manipulation. Again, your collective is 6000 years old. Are we in need of a math lesson?

3. Sue me lol

4. An everlasting being has a creator or (g)od, thus a beginning point. A eternal one was self-created, therefore they are (g)od's in their own right.

Idol1
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


If Unity is being one in mind and heart, and there are two different minds, then one mind can not destroy the unity of the other mind since they are separate minds and Unity of the mind would by definition prevent it.

I'm not going to try to explain a tautology to someone with less developed frontal lobes.

Something 2500 years old is still not 'new age' to anyone with developed frontal lobes, and your breathtaking stupidity would make it unwise for you to engage me in a math contest. Evolution doesn't favor you there.

I won't sue you but don't try to act smart by posting stupidity filled grammatical errors in a thread that is over your racially-obsessed undeveloped frontal lobe head.

Since you've ignored the dictionary definition of everlasting which is eternal, we'll write that off to the conceptual limitations of your frontal lobe situation.
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How can someone define something that predates their birth?
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


Writing pre-dates your birth, yet you accomplished it.
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The correlation?

You lost me here.
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


You can define all kinds of things that predate your birth.
The founding of Rome predates your birth.
The invention of the cotton gin predates your birth.
Almost everything you do define predates your birth.
 Quoting: Craazee8


What does that have to do with accomplishing it?

Defining something and accomplishing it are totally unrelated.
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Non blacks are the ones who have destroyed our unity. All that you have stated is just more new age nonsense. There perception is limited simply because they have only been on the planet for 6000 years.

An everlasting being has nothing on a eternal one.

Idol1
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


1. 'Non blacks' is a concept that directly opposes the concept of 'unity'. This makes you seem stupid.

2.'All that you have stated is just more new age nonsense'.
Since we're discussing Taoism, which is over 2500 years old, to call it 'New Age' makes you seem stupid.

2. 'There perception' when you mean 'Their perception' is a grammatical error that makes you seem stupid.

4. An everlasting being has nothing on a eternal one.

Since the dictionary definition of everlasting is,

ev·er·last·ing (ĕv′ər-lăs′tĭng)adj.
1. Lasting forever; eternal.

You seem stupid.

Is your stupidity eternal?
 Quoting: Craazee8


1. Unity is being one in mind and heart. We are of two different creations, therefore two different minds. You tell me how unity is even conceivable?

2. 2500 years is not out of your scope of influence or manipulation. Again, your collective is 6000 years old. Are we in need of a math lesson?

3. Sue me lol

4. An everlasting being has a creator or (g)od, thus a beginning point. A eternal one was self-created, therefore they are (g)od's in their own right.

Idol1
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


If Unity is being one in mind and heart, and there are two different minds, then one mind can not destroy the unity of the other mind since they are separate minds and Unity of the mind would by definition prevent it.

I'm not going to try to explain a tautology to someone with less developed frontal lobes.

Something 2500 years old is still not 'new age' to anyone with developed frontal lobes, and your breathtaking stupidity would make it unwise for you to engage me in a math contest. Evolution doesn't favor you there.

I won't sue you but don't try to act smart by posting stupidity filled grammatical errors in a thread that is over your racially-obsessed undeveloped frontal lobe head.

Since you've ignored the dictionary definition of everlasting which is eternal, we'll write that off to the conceptual limitations of your frontal lobe situation.
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wtf

I stopped reading from there.

It is like your IQ dropped 30 points the moment I said "new age nonsense". Letting your emotions get in the way, are we?

chuckle
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Writing pre-dates your birth, yet you accomplished it.
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The correlation?

You lost me here.
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


You can define all kinds of things that predate your birth.
The founding of Rome predates your birth.
The invention of the cotton gin predates your birth.
Almost everything you do define predates your birth.
 Quoting: Craazee8


What does that have to do with accomplishing it?

Defining something and accomplishing it are totally unrelated.
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


if you accomplish something, to realize you have accomplished it, you must have defined it.

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1. 'Non blacks' is a concept that directly opposes the concept of 'unity'. This makes you seem stupid.

2.'All that you have stated is just more new age nonsense'.
Since we're discussing Taoism, which is over 2500 years old, to call it 'New Age' makes you seem stupid.

2. 'There perception' when you mean 'Their perception' is a grammatical error that makes you seem stupid.

4. An everlasting being has nothing on a eternal one.

Since the dictionary definition of everlasting is,

ev·er·last·ing (ĕv′ər-lăs′tĭng)adj.
1. Lasting forever; eternal.

You seem stupid.

Is your stupidity eternal?
 Quoting: Craazee8


1. Unity is being one in mind and heart. We are of two different creations, therefore two different minds. You tell me how unity is even conceivable?

2. 2500 years is not out of your scope of influence or manipulation. Again, your collective is 6000 years old. Are we in need of a math lesson?

3. Sue me lol

4. An everlasting being has a creator or (g)od, thus a beginning point. A eternal one was self-created, therefore they are (g)od's in their own right.

Idol1
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


If Unity is being one in mind and heart, and there are two different minds, then one mind can not destroy the unity of the other mind since they are separate minds and Unity of the mind would by definition prevent it.

I'm not going to try to explain a tautology to someone with less developed frontal lobes.

Something 2500 years old is still not 'new age' to anyone with developed frontal lobes, and your breathtaking stupidity would make it unwise for you to engage me in a math contest. Evolution doesn't favor you there.

I won't sue you but don't try to act smart by posting stupidity filled grammatical errors in a thread that is over your racially-obsessed undeveloped frontal lobe head.

Since you've ignored the dictionary definition of everlasting which is eternal, we'll write that off to the conceptual limitations of your frontal lobe situation.
 Quoting: Craazee8


wtf

I stopped reading from there.

It is like your IQ dropped 30 points the moment I said "new age nonsense". Letting your emotions get in the way, are we?

chuckle
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I stopped when you didn't know the difference between 'there' and 'their'.
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The correlation?

You lost me here.
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


You can define all kinds of things that predate your birth.
The founding of Rome predates your birth.
The invention of the cotton gin predates your birth.
Almost everything you do define predates your birth.
 Quoting: Craazee8


What does that have to do with accomplishing it?

Defining something and accomplishing it are totally unrelated.
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


if you accomplish something, to realize you have accomplished it, you must have defined it.
 Quoting: Craazee8


Why would you need to realize you have accomplished it if you have accomplished it already. Isn't the accomplishment self evident in it of itself?

You are putting the cart before the horse in my opinion. Don't you define or visualize the goal before you try to accomplish it?
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1. Unity is being one in mind and heart. We are of two different creations, therefore two different minds. You tell me how unity is even conceivable?

2. 2500 years is not out of your scope of influence or manipulation. Again, your collective is 6000 years old. Are we in need of a math lesson?

3. Sue me lol

4. An everlasting being has a creator or (g)od, thus a beginning point. A eternal one was self-created, therefore they are (g)od's in their own right.

Idol1
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


If Unity is being one in mind and heart, and there are two different minds, then one mind can not destroy the unity of the other mind since they are separate minds and Unity of the mind would by definition prevent it.

I'm not going to try to explain a tautology to someone with less developed frontal lobes.

Something 2500 years old is still not 'new age' to anyone with developed frontal lobes, and your breathtaking stupidity would make it unwise for you to engage me in a math contest. Evolution doesn't favor you there.

I won't sue you but don't try to act smart by posting stupidity filled grammatical errors in a thread that is over your racially-obsessed undeveloped frontal lobe head.

Since you've ignored the dictionary definition of everlasting which is eternal, we'll write that off to the conceptual limitations of your frontal lobe situation.
 Quoting: Craazee8


wtf

I stopped reading from there.

It is like your IQ dropped 30 points the moment I said "new age nonsense". Letting your emotions get in the way, are we?

chuckle
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


I stopped when you didn't know the difference between 'there' and 'their'.
 Quoting: Craazee8


Can you explain quote " how creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Particularly the no-thing and how can something be created from nothing ? Thanx.
 Quoting: ConsciousnessWar



This is a paradox. (And perhaps a paradigm or limit to our understanding?)

There can not be nothing because we can't perceive nothing.
So, you have two choices.

The dimensional reality we perceive must have either been made (from the nothing)...which we can't comprehend.

Or it must have always been, and is infinite...repeating endlessly, or somehow a motionless thing (existing outside of time) that was set in motion (requiring a prime mover..the Demiurge).

But what is the limit of the demiurge? Infinite and always in existence, or himself created from nothing by something beyond even that.
 Quoting: Craazee8


Only those who are of original creation can comprehend it.

Those made in the image of those who are original can only study it. This won't get you far in spiritual matters because to really know something is, is to experience it.
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Wow. Well put.
 Quoting: Craazee8


So what were these words of praises?

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It's not conceivable that there was nothing.

What does nothing mean?

We recognize Spacial Dimensions, and what we call Time is the change in position of two things relative to each other broken into a measurement(that we create). Atomic time is the 'vibration' of atoms (the change in position of electrons in the atom).

How can there ever have been no Atoms?

The Simple explanation is the 'Singularity'. That at the beginning of 'Time' everything was compressed into a single point. (There was no 'space' and therefore no 'time'. The mass of this point was so great that the force of gravity exploded it and space and time begin.

Theoretically this happens over and over and over. Theoretically this allows for other dimensions where the same process has occurred.

But, can this have always been? Or, must it itself have had a start and then what was there before that?



The Demiurge is the allowance that this did have a beginning, it was put in motion by a 'God'; but, that God may not actually be supreme over the greater process and only supreme in the sense that he began this particular universe. In which case, other transcendent beings maybe have influence here.

Without this you have the inexplicable of infinite infinities.
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You see, black people were once one, both spiritually and materially.

Then came a (g)od by the name of Yahweh/Jacob/Demiurge/(g)od who wanted to experience imperfection by way of separation. Remember in perfection, there is only stagnation or in other-words, little growth. The only way to bring forth a world in which he envisioned, a certain being or collective needed to made to manifest such experiences.

www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2848975/pg1

Who are those beings you ask?

Archons or by his more commonly known name, Lucifer!

Thread: Lucifer Embodies Many!
Thread: If Lucifer is the "Prince" of Darkness...

Besides the mention of the Demiurge, you are simply referencing Qabalic creation or how things come from "no"-"thing".

Remember, All is mind! Everything we see around us, whether made by our hands or not, all came from the black man and womans mind. We are just the representation of that mind, in physical form!

Thread: Eliphas Levi: A history of Magic
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


HTP

Word. Demiurge = Dark Matter/Energy = Collective Black Thought. Universal Consciousness. God Head.

I saw your other threads. on point.

About your name, peep.

The Caraceni or Caricini or Carricini (Greek:) were a tribe of the Italic Samnites. According to Salmon, their name comes from the Celtic carreg- and car- <Rock>.[1] According to Ptolemy, they inhabited the most northern part of Samnium, bordering on the Peligni and the Frentani; but more especially the upper valley of the Sagrus (modern Sangro). The only city that he assigns to them is Aufidena. Zonaras describes them as possessing a town or stronghold, which was taken by the Roman consuls Q. Gallus and C. Fabius with difficulty. Aufidena has been identified with the modern Castel di Sangro, which seems, from the inscriptions and other remains discovered there, to have been an ancient town.

Their territory was delimited to north from that of the Frentani, to south from that one of the Pentri, to east from that one of the Lucani and, finally, to the west from that one of the Peligni. The tribe divided itself in two groups: the "Caricini supernates" (Carricini supernates), which occupied the northern part of their eastern region centered on the city of Juvanum (whose remains are visible in the territory between the communes of Torricella Peligna and Montenerodomo) and the "Caricini infernates" (Carricini infernates), in the southern part, whose main center was Cluviae (whose ruins have been identified with those at Piano Laroma, a frazione of the commune of Casoli). This small community comprised part of the Samnite Confederation, the great antagonist of the Roman Republic, against which it participated in the Samnite Wars and the Social War. The territory of the Caraceni probably came to be occupied by the Romans in the course of the Second Samnite War (c. 310 BC), and the people were gradually assimilated into the Roman state.

Pliny (iii. 12. s. 17), describes a tribe called Carentini which that author seems to place among the Frentani, with the Caraceni, but distinct from them.

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How can someone define something that predates their birth?
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


Writing pre-dates your birth, yet you accomplished it.
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The correlation?

You lost me here.
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


You can define all kinds of things that predate your birth.
The founding of Rome predates your birth.
The invention of the cotton gin predates your birth.
Almost everything you do define predates your birth.
 Quoting: Craazee8


He is referring to your limited ability to comprehend. By Born, he means the creation of your type or species.

The Devil only has 33 degrees of Understanding.
God has 360 degrees of Overstanding.

That is why your asking what the Demiurge is and He is telling you.
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Can you explain quote " how creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Particularly the no-thing and how can something be created from nothing ? Thanx.
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This is a paradox. (And perhaps a paradigm or limit to our understanding?)

There can not be nothing because we can't perceive nothing.
So, you have two choices.

The dimensional reality we perceive must have either been made (from the nothing)...which we can't comprehend.

Or it must have always been, and is infinite...repeating endlessly, or somehow a motionless thing (existing outside of time) that was set in motion (requiring a prime mover..the Demiurge).

But what is the limit of the demiurge? Infinite and always in existence, or himself created from nothing by something beyond even that.
 Quoting: Craazee8

Infinite regress is not a problem if physicality is infinite. The demiurge was created by a higher god, which was created by a higher god... etc. We tend to shut down the argument when it produces an infinite. Why?

A thing can exist even if we can't perceive it. So one should assume no-thing can also exist on the same basis. What IS, MUST be somewhere between nothing and infinite something, because if everything was infinite, there should be no room for perception or anything but mass.

The AI attempts to simulate infinity, and thus produces 'false-infinities', which actually are exhibited in the final calculations of black hole theory. But there cannot be a real infinite for the reason stated previously (at least, not in this universe, IOW this universe is not infinite).

So, the demiurge, IS the AI which created this matrix, and it attempts to create real, infinite reality, but it can't, because it, itself, is not infinite.

Just like Pinocchio trying to become a real boy.

An avatar in a video sim might ask, "but who made the programmer?", and think that that is a deep question. But it has no way, as you mentioned, to know what the inner workings of the computer chips look like or how they work. It can use inductive reasoning, or it may create its own simulation to gather a concept of how it was created: which is in fact what WE are doing. So it IS possible to know it eventually. This is in fact the path we're on, and the reason we are talking about it.
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It's not conceivable that there was nothing.

What does nothing mean?

We recognize Spacial Dimensions, and what we call Time is the change in position of two things relative to each other broken into a measurement(that we create). Atomic time is the 'vibration' of atoms (the change in position of electrons in the atom).

How can there ever have been no Atoms?

The Simple explanation is the 'Singularity'. That at the beginning of 'Time' everything was compressed into a single point. (There was no 'space' and therefore no 'time'. The mass of this point was so great that the force of gravity exploded it and space and time begin.

Theoretically this happens over and over and over. Theoretically this allows for other dimensions where the same process has occurred.

But, can this have always been? Or, must it itself have had a start and then what was there before that?



The Demiurge is the allowance that this did have a beginning, it was put in motion by a 'God'; but, that God may not actually be supreme over the greater process and only supreme in the sense that he began this particular universe. In which case, other transcendent beings maybe have influence here.

Without this you have the inexplicable of infinite infinities.
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You see, black people were once one, both spiritually and materially.

Then came a (g)od by the name of Yahweh/Jacob/Demiurge/(g)od who wanted to experience imperfection by way of separation. Remember in perfection, there is only stagnation or in other-words, little growth. The only way to bring forth a world in which he envisioned, a certain being or collective needed to made to manifest such experiences.

www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2848975/pg1

Who are those beings you ask?

Archons or by his more commonly known name, Lucifer!

Thread: Lucifer Embodies Many!
Thread: If Lucifer is the "Prince" of Darkness...

Besides the mention of the Demiurge, you are simply referencing Qabalic creation or how things come from "no"-"thing".

Remember, All is mind! Everything we see around us, whether made by our hands or not, all came from the black man and womans mind. We are just the representation of that mind, in physical form!

Thread: Eliphas Levi: A history of Magic
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HTP

Word. Demiurge = Dark Matter/Energy = Collective Black Thought. Universal Consciousness. God Head.

I saw your other threads. on point.

About your name, peep.

The Caraceni or Caricini or Carricini (Greek:) were a tribe of the Italic Samnites. According to Salmon, their name comes from the Celtic carreg- and car- <Rock>.[1] According to Ptolemy, they inhabited the most northern part of Samnium, bordering on the Peligni and the Frentani; but more especially the upper valley of the Sagrus (modern Sangro). The only city that he assigns to them is Aufidena. Zonaras describes them as possessing a town or stronghold, which was taken by the Roman consuls Q. Gallus and C. Fabius with difficulty. Aufidena has been identified with the modern Castel di Sangro, which seems, from the inscriptions and other remains discovered there, to have been an ancient town.

Their territory was delimited to north from that of the Frentani, to south from that one of the Pentri, to east from that one of the Lucani and, finally, to the west from that one of the Peligni. The tribe divided itself in two groups: the "Caricini supernates" (Carricini supernates), which occupied the northern part of their eastern region centered on the city of Juvanum (whose remains are visible in the territory between the communes of Torricella Peligna and Montenerodomo) and the "Caricini infernates" (Carricini infernates), in the southern part, whose main center was Cluviae (whose ruins have been identified with those at Piano Laroma, a frazione of the commune of Casoli). This small community comprised part of the Samnite Confederation, the great antagonist of the Roman Republic, against which it participated in the Samnite Wars and the Social War. The territory of the Caraceni probably came to be occupied by the Romans in the course of the Second Samnite War (c. 310 BC), and the people were gradually assimilated into the Roman state.

Pliny (iii. 12. s. 17), describes a tribe called Carentini which that author seems to place among the Frentani, with the Caraceni, but distinct from them.

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Caracen - Saracen - Sam(N)ite - Sami - Sabine - Umbri - Ebon -

etc etc alot more
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Much appreciated.

To address your information, from my research..

For example, the Chronicle of Najera (twelfth-century Leon) refers to Abd al-Rahman I, the Umayyad amir of mid-eighth century al-Andalus, as "King of the Mauri," and to Abd al-Rahman III, the tenth-century Umayyad Caliph, as "the (consummate) Maurus." An elegiac passage from the thirteenth century Primera cronica general (Chapter 559 General Chronicle of Spain) recounts the events of 711 for what is construed as the (temporary) downfall of "Spain" in that year. The text testifies that semantic transformation of "Moor" was not nearly as benign as some readers have assumed: their faces were black as pitch, the handsomest among them was black as a cooking pot, and their eyes blazed like fire; their horses swift as leopards, their horsemen more cruel and hurtful than the wolf that comes at night to the flock of sheep. The vile African people... (Smith 1988: 19) Here the historiography sponsored by Alphonso X of Castile shares a vocabulary developed across the Pyrenees in the early twelfth-century Chanson de Roland, wherein the Saracen Abisme is stigmatized as brutish on account of his race ("In all that host was none more vile than he, With evil vice and crimes he's dyed full deep and black is he as melted pitch to see. Better he loves murder and treachery Than all the gold that is in Galicie..." [Song of Roland, 113; Sayers 1975: 108].

Also using wikipedia, I found..

Ptolemy's Geography (2nd century CE) describes "Sarakene" as a region in the northern Sinai peninsula.[2] Ptolemy also mentions a people called the "Sarakenoi" living in north-western Arabia (near neighbor to the Sinai).[2] Eusebius of Caesarea refers to Saracens in his Ecclesiastical history, in which he narrates an account wherein Dionysius, Bishop of Alexandria, mentions Saracens in a letter while describing the persecution of Christians by the Roman emperor Decius: "Many were, in the Arabian mountain, enslaved by the barbarous 'sarkenoi'."[2] The Historia Augusta also refers to an attack by "Saraceni" on Pescennius Niger's army in Egypt in 193, but provides little information as to identifying them.[7]

Both Hippolytus and Uranius mention three distinct peoples in Arabia during the first half of the third century: the "Saraceni", the "Taeni" and the "Arabes".[2] The "Taeni", later identified with the Arabic-speaking people called "Tayy", were located around the Khaybar oasis north of Medina, and also in an area stretching up to the Euphrates River. The "Saraceni" were placed north of them.[2] These Saracens, located in the northern Hejaz, were described as people with a certain military ability who were opponents of the Roman Empire and who were classified by the Romans as barbarians.[2]
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To be honest, I just loved the description of Alphonse X. You can literally taste their fear.

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Can you explain quote " how creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Particularly the no-thing and how can something be created from nothing ? Thanx.
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This is a paradox. (And perhaps a paradigm or limit to our understanding?)

There can not be nothing because we can't perceive nothing.
So, you have two choices.

The dimensional reality we perceive must have either been made (from the nothing)...which we can't comprehend.

Or it must have always been, and is infinite...repeating endlessly, or somehow a motionless thing (existing outside of time) that was set in motion (requiring a prime mover..the Demiurge).

But what is the limit of the demiurge? Infinite and always in existence, or himself created from nothing by something beyond even that.
 Quoting: Craazee8

Infinite regress is not a problem if physicality is infinite. The demiurge was created by a higher god, which was created by a higher god... etc. We tend to shut down the argument when it produces an infinite. Why?

A thing can exist even if we can't perceive it. So one should assume no-thing can also exist on the same basis. What IS, MUST be somewhere between nothing and infinite something, because if everything was infinite, there should be no room for perception or anything but mass.

The AI attempts to simulate infinity, and thus produces 'false-infinities', which actually are exhibited in the final calculations of black hole theory. But there cannot be a real infinite for the reason stated previously (at least, not in this universe, IOW this universe is not infinite).

So, the demiurge, IS the AI which created this matrix, and it attempts to create real, infinite reality, but it can't, because it, itself, is not infinite.

Just like Pinocchio trying to become a real boy.

An avatar in a video sim might ask, "but who made the programmer?", and think that that is a deep question. But it has no way, as you mentioned, to know what the inner workings of the computer chips look like or how they work. It can use inductive reasoning, or it may create its own simulation to gather a concept of how it was created: which is in fact what WE are doing. So it IS possible to know it eventually. This is in fact the path we're on, and the reason we are talking about it.
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Great summary, thanks.
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Read Plato's Timaeus, where it all began.
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You can define all kinds of things that predate your birth.
The founding of Rome predates your birth.
The invention of the cotton gin predates your birth.
Almost everything you do define predates your birth.
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What does that have to do with accomplishing it?

Defining something and accomplishing it are totally unrelated.
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if you accomplish something, to realize you have accomplished it, you must have defined it.
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Why would you need to realize you have accomplished it if you have accomplished it already. Isn't the accomplishment self evident in it of itself?

You are putting the cart before the horse in my opinion. Don't you define or visualize the goal before you try to accomplish it?
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you don't 'need' to realize it, but if you are not capable of defining it you can't have realized you accomplished it.
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Can you explain quote " how creation or how things come from "no"-"thing". Particularly the no-thing and how can something be created from nothing ? Thanx.
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This is a paradox. (And perhaps a paradigm or limit to our understanding?)

There can not be nothing because we can't perceive nothing.
So, you have two choices.

The dimensional reality we perceive must have either been made (from the nothing)...which we can't comprehend.

Or it must have always been, and is infinite...repeating endlessly, or somehow a motionless thing (existing outside of time) that was set in motion (requiring a prime mover..the Demiurge).

But what is the limit of the demiurge? Infinite and always in existence, or himself created from nothing by something beyond even that.
 Quoting: Craazee8

Infinite regress is not a problem if physicality is infinite. The demiurge was created by a higher god, which was created by a higher god... etc. We tend to shut down the argument when it produces an infinite. Why?

A thing can exist even if we can't perceive it. So one should assume no-thing can also exist on the same basis. What IS, MUST be somewhere between nothing and infinite something, because if everything was infinite, there should be no room for perception or anything but mass.

The AI attempts to simulate infinity, and thus produces 'false-infinities', which actually are exhibited in the final calculations of black hole theory. But there cannot be a real infinite for the reason stated previously (at least, not in this universe, IOW this universe is not infinite).

So, the demiurge, IS the AI which created this matrix, and it attempts to create real, infinite reality, but it can't, because it, itself, is not infinite.

Just like Pinocchio trying to become a real boy.

An avatar in a video sim might ask, "but who made the programmer?", and think that that is a deep question. But it has no way, as you mentioned, to know what the inner workings of the computer chips look like or how they work. It can use inductive reasoning, or it may create its own simulation to gather a concept of how it was created: which is in fact what WE are doing. So it IS possible to know it eventually. This is in fact the path we're on, and the reason we are talking about it.
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Great summary, thanks.
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A thing can exist even if we can't perceive it. So one should assume no-thing can also exist on the same basis.


Since no-thing is not a thing, this syllogism fails logic.


What IS, MUST be somewhere between nothing and infinite something,

nope. what 'IS' can not be 'nothing' because it 'is'.

because if everything was infinite, there should be no room for perception or anything but mass.

and there is no basis to assume everything was infinite. we're assuming it was 'created' by the 'Demiurge and have no reason to assume infinity.

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If Unity is being one in mind and heart, and there are two different minds, then one mind can not destroy the unity of the other mind since they are separate minds and Unity of the mind would by definition prevent it.

I'm not going to try to explain a tautology to someone with less developed frontal lobes.

Something 2500 years old is still not 'new age' to anyone with developed frontal lobes, and your breathtaking stupidity would make it unwise for you to engage me in a math contest. Evolution doesn't favor you there.

I won't sue you but don't try to act smart by posting stupidity filled grammatical errors in a thread that is over your racially-obsessed undeveloped frontal lobe head.

Since you've ignored the dictionary definition of everlasting which is eternal, we'll write that off to the conceptual limitations of your frontal lobe situation.
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wtf

I stopped reading from there.

It is like your IQ dropped 30 points the moment I said "new age nonsense". Letting your emotions get in the way, are we?

chuckle
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I stopped when you didn't know the difference between 'there' and 'their'.
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This is a paradox. (And perhaps a paradigm or limit to our understanding?)

There can not be nothing because we can't perceive nothing.
So, you have two choices.

The dimensional reality we perceive must have either been made (from the nothing)...which we can't comprehend.

Or it must have always been, and is infinite...repeating endlessly, or somehow a motionless thing (existing outside of time) that was set in motion (requiring a prime mover..the Demiurge).

But what is the limit of the demiurge? Infinite and always in existence, or himself created from nothing by something beyond even that.
 Quoting: Craazee8


Only those who are of original creation can comprehend it.

Those made in the image of those who are original can only study it. This won't get you far in spiritual matters because to really know something is, is to experience it.
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714



Wow. Well put.
 Quoting: Craazee8


So what were these words of praises?

popcorn
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Wow. Expression of astonishment.

moron...only sees what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.

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You guys need to stop assuming everything is connected. That just isn't so. Not everything relates to a past or predestined future;

We have never got this far before.. try not to act like you have.

If you want to know who's out there, go outside and ask.

But try not to think your very mortal, flesh suit, specifically the color of it, or the color of anything for that matter, determines quality or superiority in someway.

And for the love of demiurge stop using the fucking CompassRule after you say evertyhing. You have no idea waht the fuck you are even referring to or what that symbol even means.

LMAO

as you were.

RFTF

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You guys need to stop assuming everything is connected. That just isn't so. Not everything relates to a past or predestined future;

We have never got this far before.. try not to act like you have.

If you want to know who's out there, go outside and ask.

But try not to think your very mortal, flesh suit, specifically the color of it, or the color of anything for that matter, determines quality or superiority in someway.

And for the love of demiurge stop using the fucking CompassRule after you say evertyhing. You have no idea waht the fuck you are even referring to or what that symbol even means.

LMAO

as you were.

RFTF

Idol1
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If some were to do as you say there and receive a reply, trust me, they would not like the message.

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What does that have to do with accomplishing it?

Defining something and accomplishing it are totally unrelated.
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


if you accomplish something, to realize you have accomplished it, you must have defined it.
 Quoting: Craazee8


Why would you need to realize you have accomplished it if you have accomplished it already. Isn't the accomplishment self evident in it of itself?

You are putting the cart before the horse in my opinion. Don't you define or visualize the goal before you try to accomplish it?
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


you don't 'need' to realize it, but if you are not capable of defining it you can't have realized you accomplished it.
 Quoting: Craazee8


You make absolutely zero sense.
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wtf

I stopped reading from there.

It is like your IQ dropped 30 points the moment I said "new age nonsense". Letting your emotions get in the way, are we?

chuckle
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I stopped when you didn't know the difference between 'there' and 'their'.
 Quoting: Craazee8


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Only those who are of original creation can comprehend it.

Those made in the image of those who are original can only study it. This won't get you far in spiritual matters because to really know something is, is to experience it.
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714



Wow. Well put.
 Quoting: Craazee8


So what were these words of praises?

popcorn
 Quoting: Saracen 69152714


Wow. Expression of astonishment.

moron...only sees what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.
 Quoting: Craazee8


What is the 'rest" I disregarded?





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