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Area surrounding Ruined Chernobyl nuclear plant will be habitable again in 3,000 years

 
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Area surrounding Ruined Chernobyl nuclear plant will be habitable again in 3,000 years
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Death toll estimates run from hundreds to millions. The area near the reactor is both a teeming wildlife refuge and an irradiated ghost-scape. Much of eastern and central Europe continues to deal with fallout aftermath. The infamous Reactor Number 4 remains a problem that is neither solved nor solvable


Chernobyl’s irradiated geography
When an explosion destroyed Reactor No. 4 at the Soviet-run Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in northern Ukraine on April 26, 1986, an estimated 10 tons of radioactive fuel and debris were thrown into the atmosphere. The most toxic ground is the Exclusion Zone, and the evacuated ghost town of Pripyat.
... Those days became weeks, then months, then, after the studies were complete, the official verdict was that people could return to live in Pripyat in 3,000 years.

Reactor Number 4 today is essentially an unplanned nuclear-waste dump. To serve in that role requires it to last for 3,000 years. That means the area surrounding Chernobyl will be safe to inhabit by people again in the year 4986.

How likely is that? To get an idea of what it means to contain and control a deadly and potentially devastating radioactive pile in Ukraine for 3,000 years, consider what the world looked like 3,000 years ago:

The Iron Age was beginning. The Trojan War was fairly recent news. Egypt had Pharaohs. King David was succeeded by his son, Solomon. Canaanites were the big world traders. Christ was 1,000 years from showing up. Muhammad was 1,500 years away.

The legendary founding of Rome, of Romulus and Remus and the wolf, wouldn’t take place for 300 years.

It’s not simply that a lot has changed in the last 3,000 years, it’s that almost everything has.

And yet, Detlef Appel, a geologist who runs PanGeo, a Hamburg, Germany, company that consults on such nuclear storage issues, notes that 3,000 years probably isn’t long enough. He suggests that truly safe radioactive waste storage needs to extend a million years into the future. Think back to when man’s earliest relative began to walk the Earth.

“We can trust human endeavor, perhaps, for a few hundred years, though that is doubtful,” he said. “Storage implies a way to retrieve the materials. It requires trained personnel, maintenance, updating and security. Clearly, nothing man made is more than temporary, and therefore it isn’t adequate.”

Even the continents will have moved in a million years.

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Re: Area surrounding Ruined Chernobyl nuclear plant will be habitable again in 3,000 years
isnt the half life of plutonium 20,000 years?
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Re: Area surrounding Ruined Chernobyl nuclear plant will be habitable again in 3,000 years
isnt the half life of plutonium 20,000 years?
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Thank you....I spent good portion of my life working for the AEC.....20,000 years is the lower end of that statement....it doesn't just reach 20k years and just turn safe....frankly it will most likely take closer to twice that 20k year number...IMPO

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Re: Area surrounding Ruined Chernobyl nuclear plant will be habitable again in 3,000 years
isnt the half life of plutonium 20,000 years?
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Yeah...I they mean the area surrounding the plant..


The plant itself is fucked
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Re: Area surrounding Ruined Chernobyl nuclear plant will be habitable again in 3,000 years
isnt the half life of plutonium 20,000 years?
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Yeah...I they mean the area surrounding the plant..


The plant itself is fucked
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Ukraine is broke they need that place, they just don't care.
Wait for the EU telling them to send children in it to play.
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Re: Area surrounding Ruined Chernobyl nuclear plant will be habitable again in 3,000 years
isnt the half life of plutonium 20,000 years?
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Yeah...I they mean the area surrounding the plant..


The plant itself is fucked
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Ukraine is broke they need that place, they just don't care.
Wait for the EU telling them to send children in it to play.
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Tetiana Verbytska, an energy policy expert at the National Ecological Center of Ukraine, worries that people are far too easygoing about Chernobyl. Among government officials right now, mindful of the 30-year anniversary, there is a movement to shrink the radius of the highly contaminated no man’s land from 18 miles to 6.

“The move to reduce the highly contaminated zone has nothing to do with science and everything to do with public relations,” she says. “In Ukraine, each April we make wonderful speeches about our commitment to dealing with this problem, and the rest of each year we hope the problem will just go away.”

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[link to www.miamiherald.com]

Death toll estimates run from hundreds to millions. The area near the reactor is both a teeming wildlife refuge and an irradiated ghost-scape. Much of eastern and central Europe continues to deal with fallout aftermath. The infamous Reactor Number 4 remains a problem that is neither solved nor solvable


Chernobyl’s irradiated geography
When an explosion destroyed Reactor No. 4 at the Soviet-run Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in northern Ukraine on April 26, 1986, an estimated 10 tons of radioactive fuel and debris were thrown into the atmosphere. The most toxic ground is the Exclusion Zone, and the evacuated ghost town of Pripyat.
... Those days became weeks, then months, then, after the studies were complete, the official verdict was that people could return to live in Pripyat in 3,000 years.

Reactor Number 4 today is essentially an unplanned nuclear-waste dump. To serve in that role requires it to last for 3,000 years. That means the area surrounding Chernobyl will be safe to inhabit by people again in the year 4986.

How likely is that? To get an idea of what it means to contain and control a deadly and potentially devastating radioactive pile in Ukraine for 3,000 years, consider what the world looked like 3,000 years ago:

The Iron Age was beginning. The Trojan War was fairly recent news. Egypt had Pharaohs. King David was succeeded by his son, Solomon. Canaanites were the big world traders. Christ was 1,000 years from showing up. Muhammad was 1,500 years away.

The legendary founding of Rome, of Romulus and Remus and the wolf, wouldn’t take place for 300 years.

It’s not simply that a lot has changed in the last 3,000 years, it’s that almost everything has.

And yet, Detlef Appel, a geologist who runs PanGeo, a Hamburg, Germany, company that consults on such nuclear storage issues, notes that 3,000 years probably isn’t long enough. He suggests that truly safe radioactive waste storage needs to extend a million years into the future. Think back to when man’s earliest relative began to walk the Earth.

“We can trust human endeavor, perhaps, for a few hundred years, though that is doubtful,” he said. “Storage implies a way to retrieve the materials. It requires trained personnel, maintenance, updating and security. Clearly, nothing man made is more than temporary, and therefore it isn’t adequate.”

Even the continents will have moved in a million years.

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 Quoting: Uncle Fuck Stick

well the stupid wins in this post of some people,, since the animal meat suits are doing well there... its ok NOW to go back but hey let the animals enjoy that place free of mankind.
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[link to www.rt.com (secure)] the wildlife which is doing stupendously well. In case the link is not here yet.
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Re: Area surrounding Ruined Chernobyl nuclear plant will be habitable again in 3,000 years
What wonderful news!
See nuclear energy IS a good thing. burnit
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[link to www.rt.com (secure)] the wildlife which is doing stupendously well. In case the link is not here yet.
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The critters will do just fine right here in what we currently call America when we're all gone too.

Life goes on.

Even if hue-mons don't.
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Re: Area surrounding Ruined Chernobyl nuclear plant will be habitable again in 3,000 years
isnt the half life of plutonium 20,000 years?
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In 20.000 years it will kill you half dead...dead3
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Re: Area surrounding Ruined Chernobyl nuclear plant will be habitable again in 3,000 years
isnt the half life of plutonium 20,000 years?
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In 20.000 years it will kill you half dead...dead3
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In 20,000 years it will still kill you for another 20,000 years.


Man really fucked up.

Guess Oppenheimer was right, he became the destroyer of worlds.
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Re: Area surrounding Ruined Chernobyl nuclear plant will be habitable again in 3,000 years
[link to www.rt.com (secure)] the wildlife which is doing stupendously well. In case the link is not here yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72089249


From the animals' perspective ANYTHING is better than a large presence of humans. But humans will continue to die of cancer in that area forever.





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