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Anonymous Coward User ID: 648 United States 05/03/2016 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are a reflection of them. As long as you hang on to the judgement, and allow your ego to control the situation, you will not be free from it. Do not allow their perception to take root in you....actually, it already has, but you have a choice to make...choose to love, choose to respond with love, you can not control how they react, you can not control how they feel about you. As a parent, your number one responsibility is raising your child with love.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55431899 United States 05/03/2016 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "No." "We're too busy." "Some other time." "Maybe next week?" Every time someone calls, don't answer. If you do and they ask about seeing you or coming over, pick one of the random quotes above. Some people call it "ghosting" -- Given enough time, they'll go away. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72137610 Australia 05/03/2016 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Deep down your dad is a frightened and abused child in an adults body. All you can do is forgive him and pray for him and let God take care of the details. My own mother was like this. But i started praying for her instead of grudging on her and despising her. Three months before she died she suddenly changed. She became warm and loving and asked me to forgive all the pain she caused me..and i in turns asked her forgiveness for my years of hate and rebellion as a teen. We hugged and cried and forgave..and everything changed. 12 weeks later she died...but we finished on a high note. Never underestimate the utter POWER of true forgiveness. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 53917522 United States 05/03/2016 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Deep down your dad is a frightened and abused child in an adults body. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72137610 All you can do is forgive him and pray for him and let God take care of the details. My own mother was like this. But i started praying for her instead of grudging on her and despising her. Three months before she died she suddenly changed. She became warm and loving and asked me to forgive all the pain she caused me..and i in turns asked her forgiveness for my years of hate and rebellion as a teen. We hugged and cried and forgave..and everything changed. 12 weeks later she died...but we finished on a high note. Never underestimate the utter POWER of true forgiveness. I hurts me greatly, because the more i've prayed the more i've realized how hurt he is. I KNOW how hurt he is, i have felt his pain deeply as ive tried putting myself in his shoes. As my father, he doesn't deserve that pain. But he also hasn't tried to change his life and has let himself go. He blames everyone else and continues to treat me less than stellar. Im trying to forgive him, and its easier to when i understand how hurt he is. But that is NO excuse to treat someone else bad. Thank you for your support, i will try to start praying for him more. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71351896 United States 05/03/2016 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You suffer from worse than a back injury: you have a weak spine and that's the source of all your present misery. Were I in your place, I'd have dumped a fiancé who meddled in my personal family affairs and tried to 'fix' our relationships. You are not married and it's none of his business. Most people who call their partners fiancé, with engagements years long, are merely shacking up anyway. Your best bet would be to move far away from the whole poisonous lot. If you can't stick to your own decisions, there's no saving you from the troubles that weakness will cause you. It's not always somebody else's fault when you can't get your act together. |
Debauchery User ID: 71870886 United States 05/03/2016 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not complicated. You want poison in your childs life? Doesn't he/she deserve better? Just cut em off. And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it. I am an evil giraffe, and I shall eat more leaves from this tree than perhaps I should, so that other giraffes may die. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 53917522 United States 05/03/2016 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's hard but it's harder when you start a new family. Maybe you're fiance should stay out of your relationship with your father. Then stay out of contact with your father as soon as he quit his job. I'm dealing with the same issues with my mom. She mentally and emotionally abuse me as a child whether if she knew or not what she was doing at the time. I figure she's just envious of me but hides it very good. I'm just waiting for her to drop dead before I start a new family. It's sad but I would never put my grandchildren through the torture that I went through with her. My dad is okay. He divorce her because he made his point across that she start getting drunk and would put her hands on him. A guy can only take so much. He divorce her when I found him beating the crap out of my mom. She has problems but refuses to get help. She won't listen to me. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71006767 Thats the thing. He doesn't get in our relationship at all. Hes a bit passive aggressive about it in fact. My father is the one attempting to get into my fiance and i's relationship. He told me he never wants to come between me and my fiance, and when i assured him he never could, he replied "well,..." and insinuated that he could if he wanted. Thats VERY manipulative and shows me he has deeper more sinister intentions than i realize. His true colors have shown. Im sorry for your situation aswell and hope you work it out! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72137610 Australia 05/03/2016 05:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Deep down your dad is a frightened and abused child in an adults body. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72137610 All you can do is forgive him and pray for him and let God take care of the details. My own mother was like this. But i started praying for her instead of grudging on her and despising her. Three months before she died she suddenly changed. She became warm and loving and asked me to forgive all the pain she caused me..and i in turns asked her forgiveness for my years of hate and rebellion as a teen. We hugged and cried and forgave..and everything changed. 12 weeks later she died...but we finished on a high note. Never underestimate the utter POWER of true forgiveness. I hurts me greatly, because the more i've prayed the more i've realized how hurt he is. I KNOW how hurt he is, i have felt his pain deeply as ive tried putting myself in his shoes. As my father, he doesn't deserve that pain. But he also hasn't tried to change his life and has let himself go. He blames everyone else and continues to treat me less than stellar. Im trying to forgive him, and its easier to when i understand how hurt he is. But that is NO excuse to treat someone else bad. Thank you for your support, i will try to start praying for him more. Yes forgiveness can be difficult. But its not impossible. When i was a child my mother used to beat the absolute shit outta me on a daily basis. That was hard to forgive. But when i was older and she told me of her own childhood i understood...but even understanding didnt ease the hate all that much. But understanding is the first step to forgiveness. Give it time...once you release your dad from your pain and hurt he will then be free fromthe ropes of unforgiveness that bind him. You are the one keeping him tied to the spot. To release him so he can be healed and changed you must forgive from the heart. Remeber...although he is your dad...he is also a deeply hurt and angry human being...and the only..ONLY..cure for hurt and anger is love and sincere forgiveness. If you dont have the strength to do it...ask for it. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 53917522 United States 05/03/2016 05:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You suffer from worse than a back injury: you have a weak spine and that's the source of all your present misery. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71351896 Were I in your place, I'd have dumped a fiancé who meddled in my personal family affairs and tried to 'fix' our relationships. You are not married and it's none of his business. Most people who call their partners fiancé, with engagements years long, are merely shacking up anyway. Your best bet would be to move far away from the whole poisonous lot. If you can't stick to your own decisions, there's no saving you from the troubles that weakness will cause you. It's not always somebody else's fault when you can't get your act together. Excuse me but he doesn't meddle. It is his business as ive made it his business. My father is the one attempting to come between me and my fiance, not the other way around. And clearly you're way off. We JUST GOT engaged so don't jump to conclusions. I appreciate the insight but you got it a little backwards. We are already common law married, just dont have it on paper YET. His family treats me as a daughter, and my father treats him like a son. So its been complicated. Easier said when you're not in my shoes. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72052582 United States 05/03/2016 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is tough and hard to give advice since your father does NOT want to change (yet) the interpersonal dynamics between the two of you. My best advice is to limit your contact with him, but still send him cards with notes in them bringing him up to speed on your life at the important times of the year: ie: Holidays, Birthdays, etc. ... even once or twice a year totally out of the blue. Your dad is hurting ... but YOU can't do anything to help him other than to give Unconditional Love, like you would give to a wayward child ... while at the same time NOT allowing him to infect you with his problems. You are escaping the situation ... you haven't totally escaped it yet and may yet relapse back into it - so YOU have to be careful, very careful, about getting sucked into the dysfunctional dynamic. Good luck and best wishes. |
eagleheart66 User ID: 70358208 United States 05/03/2016 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you were the abuser in a past life Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54472179 this is karma balancing Do what your heart is telling you to do that makes YOU happy. Don't buy into that malicious bullshit, because that's exactly what it is,not to mention a way of letting perpetrators of harm off the hook, and blaming the victim instead. Realize it for the lie it is. That is not what karma is all about, either. Karma is a chance to do right, not a punishment for past wrongs. To me, anyway. I would leave them all behind you, but maybe if you fiance is looking for a new job to get away from your father, he finally realizes fully himself what kind of person your father is. Sit down and have a long talk with him about your family, and make sure he is entirely on board with you and respects your feelings where they are concerend, and if not,leave him too. It is best to leave people who are toxic no room, or as little room as possible, to do further harm. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 53917522 United States 05/03/2016 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is tough and hard to give advice since your father does NOT want to change (yet) the interpersonal dynamics between the two of you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72052582 My best advice is to limit your contact with him, but still send him cards with notes in them bringing him up to speed on your life at the important times of the year: ie: Holidays, Birthdays, etc. ... even once or twice a year totally out of the blue. Your dad is hurting ... but YOU can't do anything to help him other than to give Unconditional Love, like you would give to a wayward child ... while at the same time NOT allowing him to infect you with his problems. You are escaping the situation ... you haven't totally escaped it yet and may yet relapse back into it - so YOU have to be careful, very careful, about getting sucked into the dysfunctional dynamic. Good luck and best wishes. I am trying to escape. Desperately. I just do not understand why my fiance cannot stand up to my father. Its very undermining and stressful. My father will not let me slip from his control and even attempted moving in behind us. Thank the lord it didn't work out. My father expects to see us every week, and calls to "check" on me every other day. Accept for now as we're not speaking. Its too much. I want my privacy and i want my precious baby to have a normal life. I pray for peace in my heart, but im tired of trying to be so strong. Ugh!! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 53917522 United States 05/03/2016 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you were the abuser in a past life Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54472179 this is karma balancing Do what your heart is telling you to do that makes YOU happy. Don't buy into that malicious bullshit, because that's exactly what it is,not to mention a way of letting perpetrators of harm off the hook, and blaming the victim instead. Realize it for the lie it is. That is not what karma is all about, either. Karma is a chance to do right, not a punishment for past wrongs. To me, anyway. I would leave them all behind you, but maybe if you fiance is looking for a new job to get away from your father, he finally realizes fully himself what kind of person your father is. Sit down and have a long talk with him about your family, and make sure he is entirely on board with you and respects your feelings where they are concerend, and if not,leave him too. It is best to leave people who are toxic no room, or as little room as possible, to do further harm. I couldn't agree more. I can see my fiance is trying hard. It took him a while, because my father pretends to be charming in front of him. But unfortunately my fathers tendencies and true colors have shown and my fiance is catching on. My fiance is trying to do everything for us to start a family in a stable environment. He knows i want to move away so hes currently looking for a property further from our current so we can get away from the mess. |
smackdog User ID: 67938009 United States 05/03/2016 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "the hospital with a hurt back and couldn't move, he got angry at me for using my insurance... long story short it was ridiculous. He has no sympathy for me as a daughter and has never taken my side on anything. He constantly trys to sift information from me and my fiance just to go back to his parents and share it. Im so tired of his" Very selfish and narcissistic personality type that unfortunately no one has any control over except maybe the person themselves. Have had a couple of those close to me and they're always my toughest customers. I told my sister finally, that "whatever happens to someone else is inconsequential to you". Same games as you for all my life. I keep it cordial and fun with her but I can only handle so much. Give it time and never, ever take it personal. You may feel put upon, depressed, angry and tell them so but don't take it personal. They aren't wired to give everything you need. In time they may understand a little bit. Try not to be confrontational but take all the space you need. It is what it is...... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70336540 United States 05/03/2016 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your obligation is to protect your fuance and child from their extremely infectious DISEASE. Don't even think twice. Maybe find professional mediator they can deliver critical family info thru. Tell them they are on quarantine till they get therapy and learn to behave. |
trueforger User ID: 72147901 United States 05/03/2016 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Forgiveness practice happens when the dastard does not apologize. You do it over and over. Yet you get no relief from the PTSD, bad mantras, etc. And if/when the guilty party does actually fess up, own, offer to try to make amends for their actions and other choices, you are released by actual forgiveness. Then you will know how much power is unblocked and it pales the good results of your forgiveness practice, therapeutic as it may be. Don't settle for the practice, insist on dealing. Time has always been short. Blacksmith King of Trades I make your tool DEPLORABLE MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN VULGARIAN LOVE TRUMP'S DEPLORABLE HATE Wisconsin=Deplorable Honey Badger State "We have to re-jigger it" VULGARIAN "Tough times don't last, Tough People do." DEPLORABLE |
UpNorthAlaska User ID: 52389925 United States 05/03/2016 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...move to Alaska... -that's what I did... -be sure to send pictures of your children; tell them you love them; pray for them; and above all....forgive them.... -Our Father can heal any situation, with time... -wishing you peace and many blessings, OP -The Armor of God- "Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against rulers, against authorities, against the power of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms..." Ephesians 6:10-12 "I will not cause pain without allowing something new to be born saith The Lord..." Isaiah 66:9 "Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers a multitude of sins..." 1 Peter 4:8 ...Love conquereth all....... <3 |
smackdog User ID: 67938009 United States 05/03/2016 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...move to Alaska... Quoting: UpNorthAlaska -that's what I did... -be sure to send pictures of your children; tell them you love them; pray for them; and above all....forgive them.... -Our Father can heal any situation, with time... -wishing you peace and many blessings, OP Yes, you see, distance does make the heart grow fonder! |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 53917522 United States 05/03/2016 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...move to Alaska... Quoting: UpNorthAlaska -that's what I did... -be sure to send pictures of your children; tell them you love them; pray for them; and above all....forgive them.... -Our Father can heal any situation, with time... -wishing you peace and many blessings, OP Yes, you see, distance does make the heart grow fonder! Wow. Ive seriously thought about moving countries many times.... lol. But seriously good for you and ill keep that in mind. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72148034 United Arab Emirates 05/03/2016 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No contact means NO CONTACT! That means you have called ID and you don't pick up the phone when he calls (it's not about making excuses). You don't return messages or emails or texts. You sit your fiance down and eplain it to his dumb ass...and you tell him it's this or our relationship is going to be damaged! He needs to understand the seriousness of the situation! Lastly, don't beat yourself up for giving it another try...there were 3 times i didn't talk to my folks for over a year (each time)...and guess what? They finally changed their attitudes toward me. Each time I went "no contact" I beat myself up for being stupid enough to try again...but that's in our nature...so don't get too down on yourself! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 53917522 United States 05/03/2016 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You need to do what's right for yourself and your family! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72148034 No contact means NO CONTACT! That means you have called ID and you don't pick up the phone when he calls (it's not about making excuses). You don't return messages or emails or texts. You sit your fiance down and eplain it to his dumb ass...and you tell him it's this or our relationship is going to be damaged! He needs to understand the seriousness of the situation! Lastly, don't beat yourself up for giving it another try...there were 3 times i didn't talk to my folks for over a year (each time)...and guess what? They finally changed their attitudes toward me. Each time I went "no contact" I beat myself up for being stupid enough to try again...but that's in our nature...so don't get too down on yourself! Lol i needed to hear that. Thats where im at right now. My fiance doesn't realize how serious i am about it and hes pissing me off. Ive told him before but, i also at the same time have to be a little stronger in not giving in and going back. That sends the message that im not serious i realize. But the man needs to have my back! Ive told him we're a team and it stresses me out when he wont stand up to my father. Then tells me he "doesn't wanna get involved" like wtf. He already is.... ughhhh men!!! Lol. Thank you though i will be taking your advice 100%. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 44684362 United States 05/03/2016 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everything you wrote says it all, and you already know what you need to do. No guilt. It's not your fault. It's not your job to fix them. The only complication is that your fiance is trying to be nice to your father. He doesn't want to upset anyone, but it's tough for him, too. My husband endured, and fully came to realize what a-holes my parents are from experience. Invasive, intrusive, dishonest, meddling, liars they are. My child suffered the sickness of my parents, too. Best to be out of their lives, or you'll be dealing with this drama crap forever. I can't even leave my mother in my house as she goes through all my drawers, underwear to bills, anything is fair game. Listens in on the phone calls, I won't continue here. My opinion is you should let them go. You could waste years praying and trying to learn how to forgive, all the while drowning in misery. Deal with reality, not wishful thinking. Good luck. Life's a bitch, ain't it? Remember, you didn't ask to be brought into this crap. And as an adult, you have the right to remove yourself from it. Go, be happy, live your life in joy. No guilt. Seek support from a professional if need be. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 53917522 United States 05/03/2016 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everything you wrote says it all, and you already know what you need to do. No guilt. It's not your fault. It's not your job to fix them. The only complication is that your fiance is trying to be nice to your father. He doesn't want to upset anyone, but it's tough for him, too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44684362 My husband endured, and fully came to realize what a-holes my parents are from experience. Invasive, intrusive, dishonest, meddling, liars they are. My child suffered the sickness of my parents, too. Best to be out of their lives, or you'll be dealing with this drama crap forever. I can't even leave my mother in my house as she goes through all my drawers, underwear to bills, anything is fair game. Listens in on the phone calls, I won't continue here. My opinion is you should let them go. You could waste years praying and trying to learn how to forgive, all the while drowning in misery. Deal with reality, not wishful thinking. Good luck. Life's a bitch, ain't it? Remember, you didn't ask to be brought into this crap. And as an adult, you have the right to remove yourself from it. Go, be happy, live your life in joy. No guilt. Seek support from a professional if need be. Wow.... thats how it is. It is a bitch and i feel for you 100%. My dad has gone through our bathroom cabinets, rooms, etc. Wants to know how much we paid for everything we bought, where we bought it, when we bought it, its ridiculous. When i first moved out he asked to see my phone to wish i stupidly let him. I sat and watched him look through my texts; i was speechless. I think my fiance really is trying to be nice but considering ive explained it to him and even he says how weird they are, he needs to get a backbone and team up with me. Im just done trying. My whole childhood was hell and now that im relatively happy and doing good he still wants to be a control freak. Its too much! Im gonna stop being a fool and just let them go as you advised. Everytime we talk again i have this nagging feeling in my gut that something isnt right. The issues are never fixed or confronted and i realize they're not gonna change. Time to let go. |
Godwithin User ID: 68735997 United States 05/03/2016 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Op, one can look to forgive another but that does not mean you have to continue to emerse yourself in a toxic relationship. My mate had a horrible family situation and removed himself from it many years ago. Finally he was able to come to a kind of peace with it which was not possible when he was constantly embroiled in the drama and manipulations and lies. We do not get to choose our parents and siblings, our so called "blood family'. But sometimes others are better "family"'than those who are related to us. Create your own family! And continue to find clarity so that one day you can forgive them but know it does not mean you have to include them in order to do so! |