Who is the savior?

To Anonymous Coward 70824227, Can you agree with "to each his own"? Can you agree with "ye are gods, these things I do, you can also"? Can you agree with "falsity, and truth, is in the eye of the beholder"? I respect your belief. I respect your Jesus. I respect false other perspectives.

Mine eye has seen the glory too, but my eye is my chosen truth. I see Jesus & 'God' too, just in a different way, my way. That doesn't make it 'false' or wrong, but only to you & your way. We're all going to the same 'place', believe it or not. I dropped my canes of dependence... The Jesus way!

I'm not waiting for a man in the sky to come down & literally save me. Religion wasn't cutting it. It may be fine for you, but it wasn't enough for me (and many others, think about that). I enhanced it, upgraded it, modernized it & made it more personal & fitting, with more pieces, like Eckhart Tolle. Heck, 'they', the bible editors, transformed it, by cutting out things like the Gospel of Mary, etc. It's about creating your story, what works for YOU. Someone else pieced those bits of the bible, not me. Your story is a fine & good thing! It's simply where you're at & who you are... your perspective, your dimension, your frequency, your chosen path.

I, however, saved myself, by be-(com)ing, seeing, knowing & understanding THE Self. In my eye, when He says "come to Him through me", he means to be-come to Self through the Spirit of the self... IMO. Thanx for your contribution. Perhaps we can somehow come to a compromise, a middle ground, where more will desire "God"? That IS what you want, others to find "God", no?

Perhaps we can work together by dropping a few bits of 'not so great stuff' in the bible, here and now, you and I? Can we at least drop the "woman shall be silent, subservient, submissive and below man"? I'll gladly & civilly discuss & expand on these fine differences of 'who saves who'. Do you truly buy it all (the bible) 100%? If so, that's fine too. If you care not to expand, that's fine too.
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P.S. THIS is an example of work. One sentence (like from AC) does this to me. It causes me to think... deeply. It doesn't matter if it doesn't suit YOUR taste. I'm just sharing what works for ME (and it involves detailed explanation & deeper understanding). If it weren't for God doing all this deep thinking, all us bits of 'thought' wouldn't exist. Think about that. "I think, therefore I am."

I'm not trying to win an 'argument' either. I'm merely trying to EXPAND, my self, for myself and 'other' parts of Self, just like you. I don't twist arms, I subtly (a lot) invoke compassion & promote thinking & understanding, with love. It helps me learn what I wish to be and see and to 'practice what I preach'. This topic is what I love & this "blah blah blah" is what I do.

I'm talking a lot about myself, because that's the metaphor most available to me! Some call it blah blah, some won't see the love/compassion, yet some will appreciate my thought out intent. Can you respect/understand that? That's what Jesus did. I am not He, yet my desire to become LIKE He, the desire to return 'home', is through my being me. Don't we all desire better, and desire truth? Even the rich want more.

I'm just trying to transform the wanting of temporary THINGS into wanting the alter, the eternal, The Perfection, and... Mom & Dad! + S/he Source, who are both aspects (physical & spiritual) of which I missed dearly (I found them, I'm closer to them now), yet while still happy with my Now. THIS is what MAKES my happiness. This is my personal system for myself to live, be and function in this world, happily. AND I'm pouring my heart out because this IS, and they ARE, a huge piece of my heart. It's truly a love story after all.

There's a difference between want and need (an-other story) & between appreciating what you have NOW, yet while still becoming thru desire, which is the (ironic) necessity of BEing an eternal SYSTEM. See how I try to speculate what you or others might be thinking or counter with? Click or scroll, your choice. Read, write or flip me off. It's all good.

I'm in a 'zone' here & now & I wish to retain it, perfect it, and balance it, all day, every day. This 'Godlike Production' is my practice for continued learning, also partly because I don't choose/prefer the 'cuss like a sailor' way to get by (that sometimes works too, an-other story). I'm not insane either. I'm quite functional; IF I weren't, in your definition of sanity, my skepti, more 'physical' biased, curse friendly hubby would have surely committed me by now. There's also a fine line when crossing the insanity bridge, going from simply sane to truly sane (an-other story). Obviously, I'm no longer afraid of YOU or my thoughts (or my hubby, or of a punishing god, or of other fears of this world). I'm a free spirit and it feels great! I'll try to be more brief, but it ain't easy. It is, and it isn't.

Jesus Christ is the Savior. If you think you're the savior, you're deluded.

“It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.”

― J.K. Rowling, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets



“It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends.”

– J.K. Rowling, Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone

I can quote a book too. At least op wrote a poem. That's creative. The bible and harry potter constitute the exact same amount of evidence in a courtroom here in the GreatUSA. That number being exactly "0". Believe what you want as long as you're not interfering in other peoples affairs. I'll fight for people to be as credulous as they would like. It seems though, as of late the "parties of god" (abrahamic mostly) have been a great irritation on civilized society. It's mostly a mooslim problem lately, but let's not forget about the period of time when christianity was strong and influential. Referred to by historians as the "Dark Ages". Brought inquisitions, torture, I'm sure you know the history. They were burning people alive for imaginary superstitious crimes like cursing crops and ignorant things like reading a bible in english. A belief in magic by grown adults can cause people to be convinced to comit the most violent crimes without any remorse or hesitation. Then they claim they're doing "the work of the lord" or "alla snackbar". It's the old skycake dodge, it worked! And it's the greatest retardation of intelligent peaceful civilized society.

Pavana-

Thanks for your words. But I think some people are just not going to get it. Unfortunately, it gets labeled "new age" - when in fact this info has been around since the dawn of time. It goes back to Medusa giving birth to Pegasus, the fall of Rome, Osiris/Isis, Moses and the bible.

It's the Phoenix reborn from the ashes. All of these stories tell the same story that you are describing. But unless someone has not gone within and saved themselves, they will not connect the dots.

I feel bad for those who don't "get it" this time. There won't be a "do over" this time around. It will be for the last time. I mourn because I don't know what their fate will be. I guess an eternity of regret.

The holy grail was inside us the whole time. People continue to look externally for Noah's Ark on the Earth, when it was inside us all along. The bridge the unites both hemispheres of the mind.

Pavana-

Thanks for your words. But I think some people are just not going to get it. Unfortunately, it gets labeled "new age" - when in fact this info has been around since the dawn of time. It goes back to Medusa giving birth to Pegasus, the fall of Rome, Osiris/Isis, Moses and the bible.

It's the Phoenix reborn from the ashes. All of these stories tell the same story that you are describing. But unless someone has not gone within and saved themselves, they will not connect the dots.

I feel bad for those who don't "get it" this time. There won't be a "do over" this time around. It will be for the last time. I mourn because I don't know what their fate will be. I guess an eternity of regret.

The holy grail was inside us the whole time. People continue to look externally for Noah's Ark on the Earth, when it was inside us all along. The bridge the unites both hemispheres of the mind.

Was it not you who chose? You were not forced. So who truly saved you? It wasn't the words alone; it was you who made the decision to make them your truth.

There is no choice.....we were called, foreknown. That is, we may choose but he already had.

Romans 8:29
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

The true God, is the God who is love. The eternal God, the God of Heaven, is love. Even His very own Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, is love. And Jesus is truth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Me, the Spirit, not me Jesus, the body. There are many paths to God.

Three things here are mentioned by Jesus. First, He (the Spirit) is the way. There is no other way. And He will not lie. Why? Because He is the truth. If you want to have everlasting life, you should follow Him who is the truth (of the Spirit). Jesus will grant eternal life. Jesus also is wisdom.
Yes, one deliverer of The Wisdom, but not the only. Did he not say he would return? Hmm, I wonder what form, or forms plural, he will take, or has taken, this time? He certainly wouldn't ride around on a donkey, no? Would you even recognize him in new form or do you think he cloned this ancient body that we don't even know for sure what it looks like?

Jesus is the perfect example, and there has been no other being like Him on this planet. There are none sinless, no, not one, save Jesus. We must trust in the merits of a crucified, and risen Saviour.
But there have, like Buddha, like Eckhart. This would be to DENY a part of THE Self, of which Buddha also IS. Jesus spoke to and for HIS people. Buddha, the same. When Source does Her thing, She does many. Do you think that blacks, LGBT & women will all coming running & bowing to a white man wearing a robe who says "women shall be silent"? Honestly? Sincerely, deeply & truly? Jesus, being wise, would want to reach as many as possible, no? Perhaps a more modern, multi palatable version?

You said it Pavana! Great post in this time of sky is falling hopelessness for many on here.

Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

I see you rothsdad and God bless you for doing YOUR thing that you do in your way! I LOVE your thread. Connecting the dots, finding the patterns... way to be if you ask me.

The Savior IS Jesus Christ.

Yes, but men's names can be amended into the book of life or blotted out according to revelation... and how could God hold all men accountable, or have a creation that weren't robots if we didn't have the ability to choose? He just chooses what we will naturally choose so that it's not against our will. Reads romans 1:20 " For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" Do you mean to tell me God predestined men to hell who didn't even have a choice?

My thread was scrubbed. No biggie. I will just start another one. Hope all is well!

What would that savior save you from ???

God lied. The serpent told the truth.