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Thread: Jesus denied being God

Why won't you answer my question in your other thread?

Why won't you answer my question in your other thread?

If you died and went to heaven, (or purgatory),

what would be your dearest wish? If you were good enough to get there,

you would want to help the ones you love to avoid hell. Saints, while they are alive and after they die, have this wish for all of humanity. That is what they want most, -even more than enjoying Heaven.

Because this is their greatest wish, God allows them to help humanity in the most important things. Like a Father, God lets His children learn how do do the things their Father could do for humanity, just as fathers and their children do here on Earth.

This is why Catholics pray to saints and family members.

Wouldn't you like to be helped by someone you've known and trusted, someone human who is special to you? Asking help from your deceased mother is not worshiping her.

After death, God allow us to help those we care about, because not being able to help would be the same as being in Hell.

If you died and went to heaven, (or purgatory), what would be your dearest wish? If you were good enough to get there, you would want to help the ones you love to avoid hell. Saints, while they are alive and after they die, have this wish for all of humanity. That is what they want most, -even more than enjoying Heaven.

Because this is their greatest wish, God allows them to help humanity in the most important things. Like a Father, God lets His children learn how do do the things their Father could do for humanity, just as fathers and their children do here on Earth.

This is why Catholics pray to saints and family members. Wouldn't you like to be helped by someone you've known and trusted, someone human who is special to you? Asking help from your deceased mother is not worshiping her.

After death, God allow us to help those we care about, because not being able to help would be the same as being in Hell.

If you died and went to heaven, (or purgatory), what would be your dearest wish? If you were good enough to get there, you would want to help the ones you love to avoid hell. Saints, while they are alive and after they die, have this wish for all of humanity. That is what they want most, -even more than enjoying Heaven.

Because this is their greatest wish, God allows them to help humanity in the most important things. Like a Father, God lets His children learn how do do the things their Father could do for humanity, just as fathers and their children do here on Earth.

This is why Catholics pray to saints and family members. Wouldn't you like to be helped by someone you've known and trusted, someone human who is special to you? Asking help from your deceased mother is not worshiping her.

After death, God allow us to help those we care about, because not being able to help would be the same as being in Hell.

If you died and went to heaven, (or purgatory), what would be your dearest wish? If you were good enough to get there, you would want to help the ones you love to avoid hell. Saints, while they are alive and after they die, have this wish for all of humanity. That is what they want most, -even more than enjoying Heaven.

Because this is their greatest wish, God allows them to help humanity in the most important things. Like a Father, God lets His children learn how do do the things their Father could do for humanity, just as fathers and their children do here on Earth.

This is why Catholics pray to saints and family members. Wouldn't you like to be helped by someone you've known and trusted, someone human who is special to you? Asking help from your deceased mother is not worshiping her.

After death, God allow us to help those we care about, because not being able to help would be the same as being in Hell.

What makes you think he should ever answer any challenges?

Excuse me, the correct quote is "Before Abraham was, I Am."

Which is not the Name.

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If you died and went to heaven, (or purgatory),

what would be your dearest wish? If you were good enough to get there,

you would want to help the ones you love to avoid hell. Saints, while they are alive and after they die, have this wish for all of humanity. That is what they want most, -even more than enjoying Heaven.

Because this is their greatest wish, God allows them to help humanity in the most important things. Like a Father, God lets His children learn how do do the things their Father could do for humanity, just as fathers and their children do here on Earth.

This is why Catholics pray to saints and family members.

Wouldn't you like to be helped by someone you've known and trusted, someone human who is special to you? Asking help from your deceased mother is not worshiping her.

After death, God allow us to help those we care about, because not being able to help would be the same as being in Hell.

What makes you think he should ever answer any challenges?

Verse?
Good enough? How good? Says who? Verse? How good do you have to be to get to heaven? How bad can you be to get to heaven? Verse?
Saints? Whate are "Saints"? How do you know what they want? Why are you telling me what they want? Verse?
Verse? Or are you just babbling of yourself?
Please tell all of us why you think dead people can hear prayers and have powers to do stuff for you? Verse?
La dee freakin da. Verse?

VERSE?

What are "Saints"?

Do you know?

If you are a believer, do you not get it? God loves us beyond our capacity to comprehend. If it is something a loving parent would grant their beloved child on Earth, don't you see that God would do a thousand times more. Do you actually love someone enough to go to Hell in their place? Do you understand what it is like to be a loving parent who will give anything for their child, -even their salvation? What is Heaven without Love, -all our love?

If you are not a believer in God and an afterlife, or don't understand love yet, I really can't argue with you.

I mean I could post a link to a video about how Obama is from Jupiter but that doesn't make it true.

I call bullshit.

That video might not exist, but my point is the OP sent me a link to a YouTube video in response to five scripture passages and a dozen quotes from early Christians proving his point wrong.

And my point is that "ego eimi" does not align with God's name in Exodus 3:14, "EGO EIMI HO ON", with HO ON being the subject of emphasis. But chosing ignorance is more convenient I guess.

So why did Jesus say "Before Abraham was, I am?" What do you think he meant by that? Why did Jesus say "The Father and I are one?" Why does Jesus' name, Emmanuel, literally mean "God with us?" Why did John say "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" in the first sentence of his Gospel? Why did Thomas call Jesus "My Lord and my God" and why did Paul say " Jesus is Lord." These are just Bible verses. There are thousands of quotes from great Christians throughout the past 2,000 years about how Jesus is God. You ignore all this and argue that Jesus isn't God because Jesus might have used a different term than the God the Father did to identify himself once. Yet somehow I'm the ignorant one.

And my point is that "ego eimi" does not align with God's name in Exodus 3:14, "EGO EIMI HO ON", with HO ON being the subject of emphasis. But chosing ignorance is more convenient I guess.

So why did Jesus say "Before Abraham was, I am?" What do you think he meant by that? Why did Jesus say "The Father and I are one?" Why does Jesus' name, Emmanuel, literally mean "God with us?" Why did John say "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" in the first sentence of his Gospel? Why did Thomas call Jesus "My Lord and my God" and why did Paul say " Jesus is Lord." These are just Bible verses. There are thousands of quotes from great Christians throughout the past 2,000 years about how Jesus is God. You ignore all this and argue that Jesus isn't God because Jesus might have used a different term than the God the Father did to identify himself once. Yet somehow I'm the ignorant one.

Immanuel is a name, a proper, personal name, and not some kind of description of attributes. It's theophoric, meaning it's a compound name containing the generic word for God, -el. Many, if not most, Hebrew names in the Bible are theophoric, containing either -el, orn God's name in contracted form, -iah; Ezekiel, Hezekiah, Joel, Jeremiah, Daniel, Samuel, etc. All those names has a theophoric meaning.

That prophecy is about a human being. A human born in the days of Ahaz, during the Syro-Ephraimite War 8th century BC. This already fulfilled prophecy is then rehashed in Matthew. It's about a human being, not some kind of incarnate man-God. You literally only need to add one verse of context to see it's a prophecy about a human child.

He shall eat curds and honey when he knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good. Isaiah 7:15.

Literally.

Yes, Christians believe that Jesus is God incarnate. Fully God and fully human. Your argument that most Hebrew names have "el" in them is ridiculous. The angel said "He will be called Emmanuel, which means God with us." The name absolutely bears significance regarding the attributes of Jesus, specifically that he is God. Again, these are the words of an angel of God recorded in the Bible. You did use the word theophoric though, so you must be right.