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Let's be clear on this: Israel isn't building on stolen land

 
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Let's be clear on this: Israel isn't building on stolen land
The Abrahamic Covenant

The Abrahamic Covenant begins in Genesis 12:1-3 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

A covenant is an agreement between two parties. There are two basic types of covenants: conditional and unconditional. A conditional covenant is an agreement that is binding on both parties for its fulfillment. Both parties agree to fulfill certain conditions. If either party fails to meet their responsibilities, the covenant is broken and neither party has to fulfill the expectations of the covenant. An unconditional covenant is an agreement between two parties, but only one of the two parties has to do something. Nothing is required of the other party. The Abrahamic Covenant is an unconditional covenant. God made promises to Abraham that required nothing of Abraham.

Now lets look at the dimensions of the land that God promised Abraham and his descendants. This is found in Genesis 15:18-21 and Joshua 1:1-4.

Genesis 15:18-21 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

Joshua 1:1-4 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying, Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel. Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses. From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast.

Now I'll explain the above passages in layman's terms. According to God's Word, the land that God gave to Israel included everything from the Nile River in Egypt to Lebanon (south to north), and everything from the Mediterranean Sea to the Euphrates River (west to east). This includes ALL of the land that modern day Israel currently possesses, plus ALL of the land of the Palestinians (the West Bank and Gaza), plus some of Egypt and Syria, plus ALL of Jordan, plus some of Saudi Arabia and Iraq.

Modern day Israel currently possesses only a FRACTION of the land that God has promised to Abraham and his descendants.
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Re: Let's be clear on this: Israel isn't building on stolen land
You sound like a Muslim, offering religious solutions to political problems
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Re: Let's be clear on this: Israel isn't building on stolen land
This isn't about what land Israel is building on.

This is about how people perceive Israel. We know Israel is directly responsible for the war in Syria, ISIS and all the other terrorists, including the moderate terrorists groups they created, enabled and supplied with arms and intel.

Directly responsible for the terrorists entering Europe under the guise of being Syrian refugees. Directly responsible for creating this refugee crisis in the first place, where the "refugees" surprisingly choose Europe over Iran, Iraq and Lebanon, nations which are right next and are closer culturally.
As if someone was enabling them on their route to Europe with all necessary support.

Let's not forget the take over by dual citizens of the US government, Americans are finally becoming aware of.


That's not how friends act. That is how enemies act and that is why Israel will lose every little support they had still, once people revolt and replace their puppet governments with true Patriots. (not fake Patriots of the right presented to you by the MSM they control)


The chosenites have proven over and over again that they HATE all non-chosenites yet keep claiming that it is the other way around when their actions meet an adequate reaction.
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Re: Let's be clear on this: Israel isn't building on stolen land
You sound like a Muslim, offering religious solutions to political problems
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Re: Let's be clear on this: Israel isn't building on stolen land
Using the Bible to justify genocide is really stupid.

Britain gave the Jews the land as repayment for bringing the US into WW1.

If Israel maintained the 1967 borders I don't think there would even be an issue...but no, they steal Pali land and annex it then build on it.

Pali's are treated like shit and the Jewish settlers can pretty much do as they please against them.

I want to support Israel, but have a hard time doing so when the continued theft of an innocent peoples' land comtinues unabated.
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Re: Let's be clear on this: Israel isn't building on stolen land
What Israel has or hasn't done is between God and Israel. The 7 year tribulation is a future period of time when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world. Until then, all of the nations and peoples of the earth will make a choice. They will either stand with Israel and receive a blessing, or oppose Israel and be cursed (Genesis 12:3).

Compare America today to America just 8 years ago. Our government has turned against God and His chosen people, and we are paying a heavy price for it.

But not all is lost. The Trump Administration has made it crystal clear that America will stand with the Jewish people.

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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Re: Let's be clear on this: Israel isn't building on stolen land
What Israel has or hasn't done is between God and Israel. The 7 year tribulation is a future period of time when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world. Until then, all of the nations and peoples of the earth will make a choice. They will either stand with Israel and receive a blessing, or oppose Israel and be cursed (Genesis 12:3).

Compare America today to America just 8 years ago. Our government has turned against God and His chosen people, and we are paying a heavy price for it.

But not all is lost. The Trump Administration has made it crystal clear that America will stand with the Jewish people.

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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A work of fiction is isn't a legal document. Sorry.
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Re: Let's be clear on this: Israel isn't building on stolen land
OK everybody go home--all land claims were settled 5000 yrs ago.
Why do we even have courts then?
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Re: Let's be clear on this: Israel isn't building on stolen land
What Israel has or hasn't done is between God and Israel. The 7 year tribulation is a future period of time when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world. Until then, all of the nations and peoples of the earth will make a choice. They will either stand with Israel and receive a blessing, or oppose Israel and be cursed (Genesis 12:3).

Compare America today to America just 8 years ago. Our government has turned against God and His chosen people, and we are paying a heavy price for it.

But not all is lost. The Trump Administration has made it crystal clear that America will stand with the Jewish people.

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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So your saying pretty much just let the jews kill and take whatever they want to , because Its between them and GOD? We should just watch them kill and steal and wait for their GOD to punish them as he see fit? LOL right thats the same thing i said in court when i got picked up for killing that guard during that bank robbery LOLOL get a life of your own hook noses -
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Re: Let's be clear on this: Israel isn't building on stolen land
Exactly like the Muslims!
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Re: Let's be clear on this: Israel isn't building on stolen land
The Abrahamic Covenant

The Abrahamic Covenant begins in Genesis 12:1-3 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

A covenant is an agreement between two parties. There are two basic types of covenants: conditional and unconditional. A conditional covenant is an agreement that is binding on both parties for its fulfillment. Both parties agree to fulfill certain conditions. If either party fails to meet their responsibilities, the covenant is broken and neither party has to fulfill the expectations of the covenant. An unconditional covenant is an agreement between two parties, but only one of the two parties has to do something. Nothing is required of the other party. The Abrahamic Covenant is an unconditional covenant. God made promises to Abraham that required nothing of Abraham.

Now lets look at the dimensions of the land that God promised Abraham and his descendants. This is found in Genesis 15:18-21 and Joshua 1:1-4.

Genesis 15:18-21 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

Joshua 1:1-4 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying, Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel. Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses. From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast.

Now I'll explain the above passages in layman's terms. According to God's Word, the land that God gave to Israel included everything from the Nile River in Egypt to Lebanon (south to north), and everything from the Mediterranean Sea to the Euphrates River (west to east). This includes ALL of the land that modern day Israel currently possesses, plus ALL of the land of the Palestinians (the West Bank and Gaza), plus some of Egypt and Syria, plus ALL of Jordan, plus some of Saudi Arabia and Iraq.

Modern day Israel currently possesses only a FRACTION of the land that God has promised to Abraham and his descendants.
 Quoting: TheWiz111


To be clear they are, and to use a biblical quote to justify yourself is shameful.
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Re: Let's be clear on this: Israel isn't building on stolen land
Using the Bible to justify genocide is really stupid.

Britain gave the Jews the land as repayment for bringing the US into WW1.

If Israel maintained the 1967 borders I don't think there would even be an issue...but no, they steal Pali land and annex it then build on it.

Pali's are treated like shit and the Jewish settlers can pretty much do as they please against them.

I want to support Israel, but have a hard time doing so when the continued theft of an innocent peoples' land comtinues unabated.
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You want to support Israel so that's a good start. Let me explain a few things to you.

First of all, the UN resolution that was just passed that condemns Israel for its building of settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank is nothing more than a formal statement of what most nations in the world already believe about the settlements. The UN has passed similar resolutions against Israel as far back as the 1970's. The difference is that those resolutions did not carry the authority of the Security Council. Prior to 2016, the United States had always vetoed any Security Council resolutions against Israel. Israel and its relationship to its neighbors and the West Bank (and Gaza) is a complicated issue. I'll give you a brief history best I can:

In 1948 Israel became a sovereign nation when the UN officially recognized its existence. Immediately, Israel’s neighbors attacked the new nation, seeking to destroy it before it could be established. This conflict became known as the Arab-Israeli War of 1948, and Israel defeated the armies of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq. After the fighting ended, the nation of Israel stayed within the borders designated for it by the UN in 1948. Nineteen years later, in 1967, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Iraq attacked again, with additional help from other Arab nations. In what became known as the Six-Day War, Israel again defeated the attackers. After this conflict, however, Israel seized control of the West Bank and East Jerusalem (from Jordan), the Sinai Peninsula and Gaza (from Egypt), and the Golan Heights (from Syria). Ever since, Israel’s occupation of those territories has been a matter of international debate. Israel gave the Sinai Peninsula back to Egypt in 1979 as part of the Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty, but it still retains control of the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights.

The Nation of Israel has been building settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank since the early 1970's, although the building of settlements has been greatly expanded in recent years. The Palestinians in the West Bank have protested loudly, claiming those lands belong to them. However, Israel was attacked by its neighboring countries at the behest of the Palestinians. There is a universally understood concept that, if you attack a nation and lose, there are consequences. The attacks on Israel in 1948 and 1967, the countless intifadas, the acts of terrorism, the kidnappings, etc..., have ALL been unprovoked. Israel has never been the military aggressor against its neighbors. When a nation seizes territory from the nations that attacked it, the action is normally seen as a justifiable way for that nation to solidify its defense. In any situation not involving Israel, there would be universal recognition of the nation’s right to control the seized territories.

For some reason, when the situation involves Israel, the international community has always been on the side of the Palestinians and Israel’s Arab neighbors. Why is this? Latent and overt anti-Semitism? The tremendous influence of the Arab nations due to their control of the oil market? Compassion for the Palestinians? It is likely a combination of those and other factors. But none of those factors change the history. Israel suffered an unprovoked attack and occupied those territories in order to better defend itself from future attacks.

Biblically speaking, Israel has every right to possess, occupy, and build homes in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights, Gaza, and far more. All of those territories are well within the borders of the land that God promised to the nation of Israel. Israel currently possesses a FRACTION of the land the Word of God declares belongs to it (see Genesis 15:18-21 and Joshua 1:1-4 from earlier post). Unless the Palestinians are descendants of the tribes of Israel (which is possible), they have absolutely no biblical claim to live on those lands. Whatever the case, they have no biblical basis for preventing the nation of Israel from occupying and building homes in those territories.





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