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Darza User ID: 378572 Netherlands 03/20/2008 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good morning, what an "energetic" day yesterday was. On the bases of energy = imformation yesterday/today represents a major talk. I wonder what the theme is? Quoting: femto 396130SuRa thinking but must say, appears there is little to think about. Lol. Easy for me , not for you living it. I get the impression yesterday and today is a head to head with what was thought and that which is. A no brainer. Hi friends, this is so true, my reality gets shocked several times a day now. If i would not have practiced thoughtlesness i would propably go insane.lol Peace |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 395587 United States 03/20/2008 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 396096 ...if i didn't know better i would think this is the ruins of one of our great temples...thanks Dances... ...happy spring everyone!!! ...i finally found out the time for the wave here in south central US is 2:39-3:11 in the morning..perhaps that will assist others in determining their time to participate... ...ahhhhh...it is a god day...yes and thanku... |
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femto User ID: 396130 United Kingdom 03/20/2008 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | .if i didn't know better i would think this is the ruins of one of our great temples...thanks Dances... Quoting: AC395587Electric Caverns Quoting: Stephen Smith [link to www.thunderbolts.info] Conventional geologists claim that water sculpts the interior of caves over eons of time. Could electricity have formed some of them in an instant? PreviousThunderbolts Picture of the Day articles have addressed the evidence for electrical scarring on Earth. We have suggested that many formations are not the result of geological forces acting on stone with slow, steady modification but are the result of massive plasma energies on a scale that defies convention. Electric arcs and glow-mode discharges may have excavated canyons, carved-out craters and pulled gigantic uplifts out of the ground, compressing them into features such as Shiprock and the Brandberg Massif. The same powerful strokes that may have carved the Grand Canyon out of living rock could have created other structures that are normally thought to be from liquid erosion: caves and caverns. As electric discharges pass through rock strata, they follow the path of greatest electrical conductivity. They sometimes leave extraordinary evidence of their passage in the form of Lichtenberg figures etched into soils and rocks. They are filamentary and feathery in appearance, with finely divided tendrils at their leading edges. The branching configuration results from the electric current dissipating as it travels through the material, seeking its most conductive pathway. Another unique aspect to plasma is that it forms "tufts" and "blooms" of electricity as the current erupts out of the discharge electrode. Tufts can be seen in the "plasma sphere" devices that are marketed to the consumer. Of course, the most common example of a plasma discharge is a lightning bolt. Huge caverns are found everywhere on Earth. While it is true that soft limestone is easily dissolved by the weak carbonic acid solution that constitutes rainwater, the majority of caverns contain mineralogical samples that cannot be defined through the corrosive action of rain or flowing water, leaving open the possibility that some other force was involved. In the image at the top of the page an almost unbelievable demonstration of our primary hypothesis can be seen. The recent discovery of Giant Crystals Cave in the Naica Mine of Chihuahua, Mexico has stunned scientists. The cave is filled with mineral deposits of enormous size, as well as with delicate flowers and wisps of crystal so fine that a breath will shatter them. The crystalline shapes are formed out of semiconductor materials: selenite, calcium carbonate, silicon dioxide and lead sulfides. The crystal matrix shown above is an example of the "spray" that might have been created when a powerful electric current exploded out of the rock face into a void beneath the surface. The nuclei of charged particles could have been carried along with the current flow and either ionized by the passage of electricity, or forced out of solution within the solid medium. The filaments of energy flew out of a central point and then crossed empty air seeking the path of least resistance, whereupon they continued into the stone, impacting at multiple locations. Wherever the electric arcs passed they left behind consolidated crystals condensed along their interior trackways. One significant aspect to Giant Crystals Cave is that it is bone dry, with little evidence to imply that it was melted out of the rock by flowing water. Coupled with the lack of moisture, we find nothing in traditional scientific theory that explains how water causes the precipitation of 12-meter crystals along all orthogonal axes. Jenolan Caves near Sydney, Australia is another instance where formations exist that are difficult to explain according to standard theories. Clear helicites grow everywhere with mind-boggling shapes that defy gravity. Some of the chambers within the cave complex are etched with Lichtenberg figures and upright columns of translucent gypsum crystal. Fulgurites, or the fused trackway of lightning bolts through refractory minerals, are common in Jenolan and in most other caverns. Could stalactites and stalagmites found therein actually be the remains of fulgurites? As we have suggested in the past, some geographical features, like rivers, may have "adopted" discharge channels after they were excavated by a plasma blast. Perhaps drops of water roll down stalactites after their formation as fulgurites? Lechuguilla Cave in New Mexico is filled with formations that are nearly identical to Jenolan and the Naica Mine. It is a moist cave, but the water flow is isolated and does not reach many areas where there are significant anomalies. Along the floor and up the walls in one of its vast rooms are thickets of gypsum blossoms like small crystal bushes. Merely walking too close is enough for them to collapse with tiny tinkling sounds. Lechuguilla possesses "boreholes" as well. One of the largest is a horizontal tunnel that penetrates for miles into the rock. The LeBarge borehole exhibits what Electric Universe theorists might call a helical shape - the sign of a spinning electric arc blasting out the material as it spiraled through the strata. In another part of Mexico is Sotano de las Golondrinas, or Cave of Swallows. It is a favorite place for B.A.S.E. (Buildings Antennas Spans Earth) jumpers because it is 875 meters deep. The Cave of Swallows is similar to the "skylights" that have been discovered on Mars. Electric arcs as lighting bolts are mainly vertical strikes. They are filaments of charged particles rotating around an empty center with multiple energetic strands. A lighting bolt averages 1.5 X 10^11 watts in a spilt second as it blisters through the air. They will sometimes form craters if they hit sufficiently conductive surfaces since they spin down into the material. If they hit a resistive layer, they will spread out and create shallow Lichtenberg figures. Since the Electric Universe model predicts electricity from space, could the holes, caverns, caves and tunnels we find here on Earth be the forensic evidence left by the "thunderbolts of the gods"? [link to www.thunderbolts.info] When you see/feel the "objects", because of your frame of mind and their origin/connectivity to all, you get feed-back. The effect is always unique to the individual. 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SunRa User ID: 353725 United States 03/20/2008 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so... i got some real sleep finally long sleep and i actually remembered a dream and it was one of those meeting teacher dreams undercover and... i start my new job today shift supervisor the hours are going to be all over the place and i will miss my children when i have to work nights mmmmmmm is it just that i got good sleep i feel better? is it that i am finally going to start bleeding? is it that haarp stopped resonating its icky frequencies? is the contraction over? big hugs to everyone |
SunRa User ID: 353725 United States 03/20/2008 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you feel it, now that spring has come... ...that its time to live in the scattered sun It is finally here, as of 00:05 UTC Happy Vernal Equinox!! The doors - Waiting For The Sun [link to www.youtube.com] maybe... it is all just part of the rolling for me the undulation the changing all good all natural i feel so much better this morning now if i dont go creating a buncha negative energy cause my new job i really wanted it for some money to save to purchase some land somewhere and some tools and seeds n stuff and good herbal medicine i didnt even 'work' to get the job it totally fell in my lap i just showed up and it was mine cause a week before i wanted one and it is close enough and the right pay and the right level on the ladder but the hours maybe it is time for me to let go of the children a bit my beau will take care of them while i am away at night all mixed up and a party to go to saturday night i wanted to go to the mojave desert for the party going on their i was invited to their special pre party celeb/ritual/ceremony which happens tonight then two days of dancing in the desert but, i am still here and going to the small party here dancing in the arizona desert going to do a small easter egg hunt for the kids in the morning but usually in the morning i am dancing and dancing i love to welcome the sun it is my favorite part of the party and i dance till noon with the small parties here where i live oftentimes i am the only one dancing in the sun so long i used to call myself sundancer2012 i love all who commented to me even though i dont address by name each i love you you are all suns shining dancing |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 395587 United States 03/20/2008 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so... Quoting: SunRai got some real sleep finally long sleep and i actually remembered a dream and it was one of those meeting teacher dreams undercover and... i start my new job today shift supervisor the hours are going to be all over the place and i will miss my children when i have to work nights mmmmmmm is it just that i got good sleep i feel better? is it that i am finally going to start bleeding? is it that haarp stopped resonating its icky frequencies? is the contraction over? big hugs to everyone ...glad to hear you are feeling better sunra...and once again i am reminded to not take any of it personally...the rise and fall of emotions are just that...and i remember to be the observer...the breath flows in...and out...the day follows the night...the moon...waxes and wanes... ...yes and thanku...big hugs all around... |
SunRa User ID: 353725 United States 03/20/2008 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good morning, what an "energetic" day yesterday was. On the bases of energy = imformation yesterday/today represents a major talk. I wonder what the theme is? Quoting: femto 396130SuRa thinking but must say, appears there is little to think about. Lol. Easy for me , not for you living it. I get the impression yesterday and today is a head to head with what was thought and that which is. A no brainer. i worked real hard yesterday not to lose it... not to go crazy i was mouthy and bitchy but i always checked myself i always took responsibility for my actions to others and i apologized in earnest when necessary even to the children they know i know and when i do something wrong i own up they know i expect the same behavior from myself i expect from them they know i understand what it means to not be fully in control so i can help and they can help and we all understand and work through the rough spots i wanted to lose my heart in darkness to cry endlessly to phreak out even though i did jump up and down and whine for a minute yesterday i believe i did good i did not let go of my heart into darkness i did not think too much i tried to breathe i tried to say, god help me and i woke up today feeling REAL ENERGY AGAIN i just wonder why i have to go through these ups n downs the way i do i suppose i get the contractions to resolve much in short periods of time and i need proper sleep thank you all again i could tell when people were reading me and thinking about my post and wanting to love me i wanted to come to the computer to see who it was and thank them for giving me attention but i was to stay with the kids and my beau being in now living thank you |
SunRa User ID: 353725 United States 03/20/2008 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | would anyone care to discuss with me what they are seeing for the immediate future? we can feel it i know... what does it feel like? what do we see? Quoting: femto 396130Moving feast Sunra, since my reply the future of all has changed. Not a "out of the blue" , a change always known but was yet to enact. Think of the pyramid and the mustard seed. The change is inside the mustard seed. That is instant when it occurs. The effect on the pyramid is how the pyramid wants. IE: Constrained by a certain degree but flexible in it`s design to accomadate/distribute the effects of the change. Surf report. 0 point passed. will you please explain more? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 395587 United States 03/20/2008 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi AC395587, funny you should say/feel this. Quoting: femto 396130.if i didn't know better i would think this is the ruins of one of our great temples...thanks Dances... Electric Caverns Conventional geologists claim that water sculpts the interior of caves over eons of time. Could electricity have formed some of them in an instant? PreviousThunderbolts Picture of the Day articles have addressed the evidence for electrical scarring on Earth. We have suggested that many formations are not the result of geological forces acting on stone with slow, steady modification but are the result of massive plasma energies on a scale that defies convention. Electric arcs and glow-mode discharges may have excavated canyons, carved-out craters and pulled gigantic uplifts out of the ground, compressing them into features such as Shiprock and the Brandberg Massif. The same powerful strokes that may have carved the Grand Canyon out of living rock could have created other structures that are normally thought to be from liquid erosion: caves and caverns. As electric discharges pass through rock strata, they follow the path of greatest electrical conductivity. They sometimes leave extraordinary evidence of their passage in the form of Lichtenberg figures etched into soils and rocks. They are filamentary and feathery in appearance, with finely divided tendrils at their leading edges. The branching configuration results from the electric current dissipating as it travels through the material, seeking its most conductive pathway. Another unique aspect to plasma is that it forms "tufts" and "blooms" of electricity as the current erupts out of the discharge electrode. Tufts can be seen in the "plasma sphere" devices that are marketed to the consumer. Of course, the most common example of a plasma discharge is a lightning bolt. Huge caverns are found everywhere on Earth. While it is true that soft limestone is easily dissolved by the weak carbonic acid solution that constitutes rainwater, the majority of caverns contain mineralogical samples that cannot be defined through the corrosive action of rain or flowing water, leaving open the possibility that some other force was involved. In the image at the top of the page an almost unbelievable demonstration of our primary hypothesis can be seen. The recent discovery of Giant Crystals Cave in the Naica Mine of Chihuahua, Mexico has stunned scientists. The cave is filled with mineral deposits of enormous size, as well as with delicate flowers and wisps of crystal so fine that a breath will shatter them. The crystalline shapes are formed out of semiconductor materials: selenite, calcium carbonate, silicon dioxide and lead sulfides. The crystal matrix shown above is an example of the "spray" that might have been created when a powerful electric current exploded out of the rock face into a void beneath the surface. The nuclei of charged particles could have been carried along with the current flow and either ionized by the passage of electricity, or forced out of solution within the solid medium. The filaments of energy flew out of a central point and then crossed empty air seeking the path of least resistance, whereupon they continued into the stone, impacting at multiple locations. Wherever the electric arcs passed they left behind consolidated crystals condensed along their interior trackways. One significant aspect to Giant Crystals Cave is that it is bone dry, with little evidence to imply that it was melted out of the rock by flowing water. Coupled with the lack of moisture, we find nothing in traditional scientific theory that explains how water causes the precipitation of 12-meter crystals along all orthogonal axes. Jenolan Caves near Sydney, Australia is another instance where formations exist that are difficult to explain according to standard theories. Clear helicites grow everywhere with mind-boggling shapes that defy gravity. Some of the chambers within the cave complex are etched with Lichtenberg figures and upright columns of translucent gypsum crystal. Fulgurites, or the fused trackway of lightning bolts through refractory minerals, are common in Jenolan and in most other caverns. Could stalactites and stalagmites found therein actually be the remains of fulgurites? As we have suggested in the past, some geographical features, like rivers, may have "adopted" discharge channels after they were excavated by a plasma blast. Perhaps drops of water roll down stalactites after their formation as fulgurites? Lechuguilla Cave in New Mexico is filled with formations that are nearly identical to Jenolan and the Naica Mine. It is a moist cave, but the water flow is isolated and does not reach many areas where there are significant anomalies. Along the floor and up the walls in one of its vast rooms are thickets of gypsum blossoms like small crystal bushes. Merely walking too close is enough for them to collapse with tiny tinkling sounds. Lechuguilla possesses "boreholes" as well. One of the largest is a horizontal tunnel that penetrates for miles into the rock. The LeBarge borehole exhibits what Electric Universe theorists might call a helical shape - the sign of a spinning electric arc blasting out the material as it spiraled through the strata. In another part of Mexico is Sotano de las Golondrinas, or Cave of Swallows. It is a favorite place for B.A.S.E. (Buildings Antennas Spans Earth) jumpers because it is 875 meters deep. The Cave of Swallows is similar to the "skylights" that have been discovered on Mars. Electric arcs as lighting bolts are mainly vertical strikes. They are filaments of charged particles rotating around an empty center with multiple energetic strands. A lighting bolt averages 1.5 X 10^11 watts in a spilt second as it blisters through the air. They will sometimes form craters if they hit sufficiently conductive surfaces since they spin down into the material. If they hit a resistive layer, they will spread out and create shallow Lichtenberg figures. Since the Electric Universe model predicts electricity from space, could the holes, caverns, caves and tunnels we find here on Earth be the forensic evidence left by the "thunderbolts of the gods"? [link to www.thunderbolts.info] When you see/feel the "objects", because of your frame of mind and their origin/connectivity to all, you get feed-back. The effect is always unique to the individual. It has always been felt/observered by some, the source was attributed to what they "knew" and thought at the time. Scale. Today we know the scale of all a little better. Enjoy your time. Love. ...interesting femto...allowing the feeling/knowing to be true...yes and thanku... Ten thousand years I have been sleeping and now I am being wakened. My heavy eyelashes are the woods; They are beckoning. My heart, the clouds are surprised because they are calling me, calling me. My earth body is bedecked with a thousand flowers, Many breasts of mine, the mountains joyfully rearing their tips, They are calling! They are calling! I want to embrace all the sad and the lost. All wrongs my hands shall doom to death. I am the defender of every woman As I am the defender of my holy self. Earthmother I am, the Only One; Everything sprang from me; I carry the seed of all creation; I am the bestower of life alone. Oh, oh, oh, I am awake! Oh, I am answering the call... Masika Szilagyi Blessings for a fertile Ostara!! |
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Sunpar User ID: 392507 United States 03/20/2008 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | *loving the flight pattern!* Quoting: femto 396130Thank you Sunpar. "We aim to please". femto! And might I say, some mighty fine "aiming" you got there. Couldn't be more precise! [link to youtube.com] The Who ~~ You Better You Better... You BET! Beyond Love, Sunpar *leader of the pack* Love is an exercise in duality to bring you to the understanding of unity. (c) Sunpar 11-22-2011 |
Sunpar User ID: 392507 United States 03/20/2008 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i love you Quoting: SunRayou are all suns shining dancing SunRa! I love you too and I can see through your love straight to your purity! Thanks for being YOU! *IT's the only way* Sunpar ^V^ Love is an exercise in duality to bring you to the understanding of unity. (c) Sunpar 11-22-2011 |
Sunpar User ID: 392507 United States 03/20/2008 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | *ground crew already started to party* [link to youtube.com] *lil' glow worm* Sunpar ^V^ Love is an exercise in duality to bring you to the understanding of unity. (c) Sunpar 11-22-2011 |
Sunpar User ID: 392507 United States 03/20/2008 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Music to love yourself with! Just DO IT! It will make you oh so! warm and fuzzy! Now, sing these songs to yourself! [link to youtube.com] And then this one. [link to youtube.com] Go ahead! This is a dare! Then watch how the world changes but doesn't change around you. You know why? Cause you have changed. You ARE ALLOWED TO LOVE YOURSELF! *Do IT NOW!* Sunpar *V* *sometimes you have to first fly solo so that you will appreciate the team* Always! Thank you TEAM! Eagles and the Doves ~~ never to be separated again. Time and Space 4th and 5th Find them for yourselves and you will know. That there is no separation ever! Is the BESTEST EVER experience! *SMILING* Love is an exercise in duality to bring you to the understanding of unity. (c) Sunpar 11-22-2011 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 395616 United States 03/20/2008 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Sunpar . Interesting, just yesterday I had played that song for xana, and asked her what is the title...want to find on you-tube and post it, then forgot about it. The thought must be international, or at least nationwide... .c |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 315939 United States 03/20/2008 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi LEELA - Hows things? I just read your post back a couple of pages. Have you come across the concept that there is actually no such thing as KARMA as everything is happening in the NOW moment and so there is actually no past or future. I will try and dig out what has been said about ths. I grew up believing whole heartedly in KARMA. It was a solid tenent of the Theosophists. The little book Messaqes in the Water tells us that each new reality moment is a new moment and is the NEW NOW - I am not expressing this very well but will do so after consulting some material. To get our heads around this TIME - no TIME concept is difficult for us. ST G always says - in YOUR TIME - or HOW YOU UNDERSTAND TIME TO BE. I agree that forcing LOVE on someone is not LOVE - Do you have an e-mail address that you could give to Div? She has everyones apparently. I would like to correspond with you. The TOLLE books have a lot on TIME and living in the NOW moment too. Lots of LOVE and liked the words to your posted song. You do love music Quoting: Leela 395970Hiya Christus! Thingz are real nice, thank you. (And you too, I hope!) No such thing as KARMA, huh? Well, it's an ancient Sanskrit word which really just denotes any qualified action or thought. It's the hippy culture that gave it its present context of always something bad. I think we do at some point have negative residues from the past, but that doesn't mean they can't be overcome. And if we do spiritual work, we get nice spiritual karma, which then becomes our dominant paradigm. Forcing love? Hmm, well let's just say that odd ones have their agendas to pursue. Haven't read Tolle lately, but I do know where he is coming from. As far as NOW is concerned, do you like this quote of mine?: "... I have come to think that, if you could stand beyond time, past, present and future, there would somehow appear a simultaneous expression of all probabilities. Therefore, in a certain sense, everything is ‘now’. Anyhow, whatever one might make of this idea, I regard as most ‘now’, the consciousness which reveals life as an act of consciousness—a life that re-creates the Divine anew..." Yes, I love a bit of music, and especially the YES lyrics... Yes I can email Divvie, and get together with you that way! lots of LOVE to you too gorgeous... Leela xxxxxx This post by Christus and the reply by Leela really got me to thinking. We've heard that we need to live in the NOW, as if we aren't already doing so. Yes, we can memorialize the past and think about the future, but these visits to other *time frames* are always done in the NOW! The idea that there is no such thing as Karma seems quite foreign to me. I'm trying to wrap my brain around this idea. I honestly don't think that where we are now, Mankind on earth, this is a possibility. We live in a world of duality here on earth, and even though we can raise our consciousness to the ONE, and thus eliminate duality (in essence), I don't think we are daily living that in this material world. We may not be "of" this world, but we are "in" this world, if you know what I mean. To eliminate the idea of karma, would give credence to the Aleister Crowley concept that Astrolabe postulated yesterday on this thread, i.e. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law..." Without the Law of Karma, injustice would go unchecked. I view the Law of Karma as perfect, in that what you put out you get back. This way no one has to make a judgment about someone else, and neither, in my estimation, does God have to personally judge you or me. The Law provides justice in all cases. Now, we can and do create our own reality every second of every day, imho, which we can call "Cause". But are we never to have the "Effect"? Creation requires Cause and Effect, imho. When Jesus declared himself to be the Alpha and the Omega, what was he declaring? The two are one? Yes, I think so. As the Christ consciousness is revealed, the Alpha and Omega (Cause and Effect)....true ONENESS is revealed and thus eliminates duality in the blink of an eye. Until we reach this stage we are not allowed to eat of the Tree of Life, lest we live forever in this illusion, so to speak. I do think that when we (everyone) *realizes* this Oneness, this earthly world would vanish as an illusion. I'm pretty certain that this Oneness already exists, and our Higher Awareness resides there. These lower vibrational fields are simply school rooms for us, or maybe even play yards. I don't know. But I do believe. Ha Ha...another thought just came to me. The fact that I believe any of the above makes it true for me, huh? Cuz here I am, writing to all the other *me's* as if I am separated from anything and anyone. I'll stop now.... |
Ahim-sa User ID: 339583 United States 03/20/2008 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good morning and Happy Equinox, dear ones. Femto's post about electric cave formation theory made reference to the giant crystals recently discovered deep underground in Mexico: [link to www.crystalinks.com] Thanks for the pleasant deja-vu, femto. I remember a year ago, just when this thread was in it's infancy that Xana posted pictures of these magnificent giant formations. Then there were more magickal memories this morning with the Mills Bros, thanks to Sunpar and Caruso. A lovely start to the Rites of Spring. Thinking of Allie and the Mayan pyramids brings on more happy deja-vu. Love to you all Has anyone seen Divvy lately? shift happens |
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femto User ID: 396130 United Kingdom 03/20/2008 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Cool post AC 315939. Without the Law of Karma, injustice would go unchecked. Quoting: AC 315939Without reference to karma`s reality or not , I am sure you have correctly stated why it is there. To assist impose balance/order. Strangly perhaps, all ancient myths/memories refer to a time when humanity lived in harmony with it environment, "The Golden Age". The term Golden age stems from Greek mythology and legend. It refers to the highest age in the Greek spectrum of Iron, Bronze, Silver and Golden ages, or to a time in the beginnings of Humanity which was perceived as an ideal state, or utopia, when mankind was pure and immortal. A "Golden Age" is known as a period of peace, harmony, stability and prosperity. In literary works, the Golden Age usually ends with a devastating event, which brings about the Fall of Man Quoting: WikipidiaA time of no karma. Our enviroment changed and we no longer understood our "place". When we do "know" ourselves again, by knowing where we are, karma , if it exists, will cease. |
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