okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?

Zetas Right Again!

Zetas are the only ones addressing this issue. See last Friday's Live Chat, and Zetatalk.com re: earth wobble

Damn, sounds like even the SUN wants to get the fuck away from this big blue cess pool we call earth!

you really should have studied science in school. If you had, you might not have ended up thinking and living like a complete absolute moron.

It's hysterical that people can actually believe this crap.

Let me just say this...if the earth ever does go out of orbital position....just by a little bit...the whole world is going to know about it right away and it won't be from freaking GLP.

How can people be so ignorant??????

It rose in the normal position where I live.

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So this is the answer to the days of hard storming here in the Nordic countrys...

I just now came in from stargazing (1.30 am here) and the big dipper (karlavagnen) is roughly 90 degre off..

Nancy... are the Earth "swaying" more roughly now than the slow figure 8?
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Dear humm, can you give me more specifics! In what direction is the 'off'? At the right azimuth round the horizon and at the right altitude (up in the dome) but laying on its side rather than up/down, or WHAT. I'm assuming you are saying it is too far to the West or East, but can you clarify? WELCOME TO THE TEAM OF OBSERVERS!

SOZT
Yes, the wobble has gotten extreme. Nancy has been watching the live seismosgraphs and noted that since the Apr 1 Solomon quakes, they are almost constantly in a state of small to medium globals, daily. We have warmed that the wobble would get worse, and the erratic weather is a symptom of this. Land is dragged under the atmosphere, and there you have cold or heat where it is not expected! At present there is an intermittent lean to the West, such that the earth is attempting to lay side by side with Planet X which is approximately 140 degrees along in pointing his N Pole away from the Sun. When this has progressed to 195 degrees, the 3 days of darkness will ensue. But before this point, the side by side will stop and a lean to the LEFT of the N Pole, away from Planet X's N Pole, will ensue. This will become extreme, hardly deniable, long before the 3 days of darkness arrive. But at present, the intermittent lean to the West is just that, intermittent, and YES people have recorded such constellations tipping 90 degree off from where they should be, temporarily, or appearing 45 degree or more in the sky around the horizon from where they should be. Then this matter rights itself in short order!
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Typical debunker talk (ignore):

You are stupid!
You are crazy!
You are stupid-crazy!!

I wonder how people can be that stupid.

Did you ever attend a school?

Must have been a weather balloon. I woke up at 5:00 this morning and it was much darker as it should have been. The sky was clear. I can't see the sun rise due to being in the mountains.

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Q: A hot topic on the GLP message board
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is an aberration on the IERS website. The slight annual circular magnetic wobble at the N Pole, noted for decades, has suddenly gone left, literally, on the charts. This occurred around April 4. I’ve checked the HAARP data and found that April 3 seemed normal, but by April 4 HAARP had likewise gone flat. Does this have something to do with the roll of Planet X, the hose of magnetic particles from Planet X?

SOZT
More than an Intermittent Lurch
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has developed during the 270 Roll
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of Planet X, as this why would it not? Legend has it that 3 days of darkness
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will ensue during the Biblical end of the world, and we have confirmed this with details of why this will occur. When the N Pole of Planet X points directly at the Earth, this is the reaction, the N Pole of Earth pointing directly away in an attempt to align end-to-end with Planet X. We have predicted, explained, that going into this posture the Earth will have a lean to the left
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, leaning her N Pole away from Planet X as Planet X approaches in his retrograde orbit. The lean to the left is not as extreme as tipping backwards into the 3 days of darkness, but is a compromise the Earth is attempting, to accommodate BOTH the Sun’s magnetic influence as well as the demands from Planet X. We have explained the Earth wobble
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, detectable since early 2004 when the Earth encountered Planet X in her orbit, standing in her way, and halted in her orbit. This Earth wobble was a documentable Figure 8
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traced by the N Pole, a pattern which recently changed to a lurch back and forth as the Earth tries to line up end-to-end with Planet X at times and then snaps back to align with the Sun again. What caused the change in the wobble from a Figure 8 to a lurch? The Earth is distressed, trying to accommodate different magnetic directives, trying to align with the Sun’s dominant magnetic field while simultaneously accommodating the bully Planet X passing through. The 3 days of darkness will occur when Planet X has rolled 195 in her roll, where he is currently at approximately 140. Meanwhile, what happens?

Clearly, being hosed by the stream of magnetic particles emerging from the N Pole of Planet X is not a mild treatment, as before the N Pole of Earth tips away into the 3 days of darkness, a physical move of the entire planet, the Earth will try to accommodate this hose by adjusting her magnetosphere. This is what is showing up on instruments now, a dramatic change in the old slight circular wobble in the N Pole that has been apparent since man began his measurements of this slight N Pole wobble. This wobble, a matter of a degree of so, is not the daily Figure 8 wobble Nancy and her team documented, which was more extreme. In that the Figure 8 occurred daily, and these magnetic measures were taken once a day, averaged, the Figure 8 did not seem to affect the overall outcome between 2004 and today’s date. But now something has occurred, rather suddenly, to change this measure. As anyone playing with magnets has observed, there are resistance points and points where sudden movement occurs. A magnet placed on glass has friction between the glass and itself, so does not IMMEDIATELY MOVE to align with a larger magnet moved toward it under the glass. Then suddenly, there is a jerk, a new alignment.

For the Earth, held in alignment with the Sun’s giant magnetosphere, there is an equivalent to friction, resistance, which is the flow of magnetic particles moving along the magnetic field of the Sun, from the Sun’s N Pole round to the Sun’s S Pole. As Planet X rolls, lying horizontally along the tight magnetic field lines at the Sun’s Ecliptic, increasingly pointing his N Pole toward Earth, this creates in the Earth a confusion, a warping of the Earth’s own magnetic field! The magnetic N Pole of Earth, the flow of magnetic particles out of the N Pole of Earth, will attempt to merge with the N Pole of Planet X, flowing in the SAME direction. For the Earth, this is certainly not UP, it is sideways. Planet X is hosing out into space, almost directly away from the Sun, as it is lying horizontally at present during its roll. As the Earth is not yet tipped, physically, into the 3 days of darkness, the flow of magnetic particles thus emerges, out into space, from points BELOW the Arctic. Nancy has noted that the HAARP system
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, located in Alaska near the magnetic N Pole of Earth, has registered flat, likewise. HAARP has been located next to the N Pole as this is where flux in the magnetosphere is most dramatic
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, evident. IERS
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likewise looks to this source, as elsewhere on the globe, flux in the magnetosphere is more flat. In that the magnetic N Pole of Earth has currently MOVED, they are both registering flat!
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If you are relying on your compass' reading of magnetic north rather than true north, that's what you should get (dedpending on where you live, of course).

nancy, where is the PROOF you are right?

PROOF or go to a psychiatrist!

I agree completely.

Some on this thread are secretly laughing at the idiots who believe their hoaxes.

It's an Intermittent Lurch, becoming more steady state and less intermittent. N Pole leans to the right of the Sun, causing the Sun to appear to be too far North.

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ZetaTalk: Intermittent Lurch
written Mar 10, 2007

Nancy and friends have carefully gathered data to determine where the Earth wobble has gone, as one of the team noted a dramatic change, Polaris far to the East for a brief time in the early morning in the US. In that this is Winter in the N American continent, snow and cloud cover heavy and temperatures colder than normal, there have been few star parties in the hours before dawn. Star parties in any case are normally closer to midnight, with the participants returning home to bed before dawn. Thus, this extreme would only be noticed by those looking for aberrations, and taking every opportunity. We warned months ago that something would occur by Feb 25, 2007 that would take the blinders off those looking to the heavens for a sign, and it has arrived! If the former Figure 8 wobble that developed in early 2004 and tracked by Nancy and friends until mid-2005 seems gone, it has been replaced by another phenomena more akin to a lurch. If the former Figure 8 wobble involved Planet X grabbing at the highly magnetized Atlantic Rift and pushing at the N Pole, what's changed?

An unexpected result from the data gathering Nancy and friends did was the finding that the lurch of the N Pole away from the Sun and Planet X was occurring during the hours when the N Pole of Earth was hidden by the curve of the Earth. If the N Pole of Planet X is swinging to point toward Earth, hosing magnetic particles toward Earth, then wouldn't this push logically happen when the N Pole of Earth is facing Planet X directly? N Poles repulse each other. The answer to this puzzle lies in the way large magnets interact with each other, wanting to either line up end to end or side by side, sharing the same magnetic field, or when unable to achieve either of these positions, to have the minor magnet nose in at a right angle. When Planet X draws close enough to the Earth to tip the N Pole of Earth away, causing Earth to lay on her side in a Lean to the Left and then roll into the 3 days of darkness foretold, the N Pole of Planet X will be pointing directly at Earth. This is not yet the case.

We have described the process of the 270° roll as Planet X swings its N Pole around toward Earth in a retrograde, clockwise, manner. At the current date, this has progressed approximately 137°, not yet pointing the N Pole of Earth directly at Earth, who lies to the left, caught in the cup of the eddy flow from the particles flowing around the sides of Planet X. In this position, does the Earth align end to end with Planet X or side by side? As with all the planets in the solar system, which align side by side with the Sun, the dominant magnet, Earth choses the path of least resistance. It can take a temporary side by side with Planet X, which then lays the earth out in the manner discovered during the pre-dawn hours for the Americas on Feb 28 and Mar 7. This side by side alignment happened, also, at a time when the magnetic hot spots on Earth were hidden from view, reducing contention with the Sun's magnetic dictates. The N Pole of Earth is over the curve of the Earth. The highly magnetized Atlantic Rift is just coming into view on the Western horizon. Where the constellation view in the Americas during such a time, just before dawn, would show a dramatic lean toward the West, the sunball over Europe and Africa would only show a Sun moving from a Southern to a more Eastern position during these hours, then quickly traveling toward the West again. If the Sun's rays are beaming down, how many people bother to note the exact position of the Sun in its arc across the sky during the mid-morning hours?

What of the temporary or intermittent aspect of this lean? Nancy noted no aberrant constellation alignment when she checked on Mar 10 in the same time frame that Chili and Cincinnati had noted an extreme lean. How is this possible? We mentioned when the topic of the 270° roll was raised during the live chats on Jan 13 and Feb 3 that Planet X is simultaneously rising to the Ecliptic and turning in place to point it's N Pole outward from the Sun. We mentioned that rising to the Ecliptic, for Planet X, means that the hose of magnetic particles streaming out of its N Pole encounters a blast of backwash of particles returning to the Sun's middle at the Ecliptic. If Planet X can envelope the Earth in its magnetic field when the Earth's magnetic hot spots are hidden from view, but not when they present, then this grip, at its present distance from Earth and its present progress in its 270° roll, is tenuous. Rising a bit more toward the Ecliptic, and encountering a stronger headwind in the backwash of returning particles, is all it takes to trip the balance back to where the Earth aligns with the Sun's magnetic field instead. What this intermittent lean to the West is showing is the type of gyrations the Earth will undergo as Planet X continues its steady path in the direction of Earth. Things will not be normal, and sudden adjustments will occur.

What does this new intermittent phenomena, replacing the former Figure 8 wobble, tell mankind? That Planet X has progressed in its 270° roll or it would not be in a position to demand a temporary side-by-side alignment. That Planet X has moved closer or it would not have the strength to demand a side-by-side alignment. That Planet X is steadily rising toward the Ecliptic or the phenomena would not be countered by the backwash of particles at the Ecliptic. Given these points, that Planet X will be able to impose the 3 days of darkness on Earth when it turns its N Pole hose directly at Earth. For those wanting to know how much time we have before the press of the last weeks are upon them, we repeat. No date will be given until the establishment shares with the populace what they know about the approaching monster. If they, in their elite perch, are privy to information from the Hubble and probes and observatories, then the least of those among the citizenry deserves the same information. Information is power, and the establishment plans to use their privy information to harm the common man, not help them as is their obligation. Thus, no date will be given until the establishment places the common man on their level, and they themselves are on the level of the common man.

I'd take this thread to be proof. And guess who it is needs a shrink! YOU, bozy, for being terminal denial case, a scared shitless fool! What kind of insanity is it when you can't deal with what's facing you?

Oh, never mind, it's called cowardice.

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ZetaTalk: The Insecure
written Dec 5, 2004

Q: Debunkers, under the guise of presenting truth seem to really fear Nancy, given all the time and energy they spend on her and her ideas be they flawed or nay. Is it the message, or her perceived insanity they fear? A logical person knows if a person is a crackpot and posting on the internet, you ignore them and they go away. When you fight, piss and moan, all you do is give them more credence in the eyes of those who believe and in the eyes of many on the fence.

Beyond the professional debunker, whose full or part time job is to haunt message boards or web sites in search of people discussing what the establishment wants to deny at present, there are those so in the grip of fear and insecurity that they attack the message for no other reason. The message is, in short, unthinkable. Life, for humans on Earth, is highly insecure in the best of times. Even with the best that modern medicine can provide, most illness is not curable and palliative measure only provided. Lightning can strike anytime, any place, and neither prayers or bribes make a difference. Meteors and fireballs from the sky are erratic, and despite man’s best efforts at prediction earthquakes strike without warning, dropping buildings and bridges. Then there are all the reassurances from employers and governments and insurers that pension funds, savings, home ownership and assets, all are solidly there and will be replaced should any event remove them. Yet employers go bankrupt, governments go bankrupt and change their rules or default on their promises, and insurance companies default. Loyalty from friends and family also cannot be relied upon solidly, as the divorce rate and domestic violence statistics show. Friends are supportive only while this friendship aligns with their life circumstances, and the friendship dropped when it becomes inconvenient. Thus, despite man’s best efforts to make himself secure, he is, in essence, standing naked in the cold rain, alone.

Enter Planet X and the ZetaTalk message that the world will turn upside down, experience earthquakes that will shatter cities everywhere, roll flood tides inland for hundreds of miles along coastlines everywhere, explode industrial complexes into a cesspool of chemical pollution, destroy the communication and transportation networks so that travel is on foot or impossible, remove the convenience of electricity and clean water supplied to the home and replace this with long dark nights and drinking water smelling like the neighbors sewage, suddenly stop the delivery of food stuffs to the local store with no replacement so that rats and weeds and rotting corpses become the only food available. For many, especially those in cities or whose lifestyle by choice or necessity has made them soft and dependent, this is what the message means. Unthinkable. There are no options that come readily to mind, for these individuals.

* If they are by nature strong and resourceful, they think about the steps to be taken in the event, and plot a plan, as there is always some plan that can be formulated. They may realize that the outcome, for themselves, is death, and become resigned and live their last days in the most meaningful manner possible.
* If they are by nature weak, clingy, and demanding, another turn is taken. They watch the viability of their pension funds and savings melt away as the USD drops and corporations go belly up. They see the weather erratic, the ferocity of storms on the rise, and watch movies like the Day After Tomorrow with fists in a ball, white knuckles. They would make shrill demands of someone, but God is not listening and the government certainly is not listening. Now what?

If a weak individual cannot succeed by demanding or clinging, there is only one option available for comfort - denial. They need not worry because it is not happening, all is normal. The weather is normal if one assumes massive climate cycles that stretch millions of years, at least this is what the TV is reporting. No one knows what causes these cycles, and any life threatening extreme is extrapolated out thousands of years hence, so no need to worry. The government propaganda is that the economy is on the rebound, jobs being created, and a firm hand at the helm. All evidence to the contrary is simply not absorbed, and if pushed to be acknowledged, is denounced in a shrill voice and slamming doors. These individuals entertain denial, in an increasingly shrill and angry manner, as the threats to their secure world increase. What does one do when they are being threatened? They consider themselves under attack, and respond accordingly. This proceeds along these lines, more rigid denial, more vicious attacks against the message, until the day reality breaks through and it can no longer be denied that something is amiss. At this point the denial changes to red faced demands for these weak individuals, hopping up and down and loudly demanding that someone reinstate their security and take care of them. If you have an individual in your neighborhood like this, move, before the pole shift. They won’t change.

To the right of the sun? What does that mean? If I am facing south looking at the sun, right of the sun is west. If I am facing east looking at the sun, right of the sun is south. Please clarify, Nancy. What do you mean by right of the sun?

Best way to see the PX complex now under the Sun

is to look up at dark clouds and see it coming through

late afternoon is advised.

Hello Nancy, got yourself a new private proxy?

If the Sun is rising in the wrong place, why are Heliometers still correctly marking Easter?

The Cathedral in Palermo, Italy has a heliometer (solar "observatory") of 1690, one of a number1 built in Italy in the 17th and 18th centuries. The device itself is quite simple: a tiny hole in one of the minor domes acts as Pinhole camera, projecting an image of the sun onto the floor at solar noon (12:00 in winter, 13:00 in summer). There is a bronze line, la Meridiana on the floor, running precisely N/S. The ends of the line mark the positions as at the summer and winter solstices; signs of the zodiac show the various other dates throughout the year.

The purpose of the instrument was to standardise the measurement of time and the calendar. The convention in Sicily had been that the(24 hour) day was measured from the moment of sun-rise, which of course meant that no two locations had the same time and, more importantly, did not have the same time as in St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. It was also important to know when the Vernal Equinox occurred, to provide the correct date for Easter.

The Sun's image is still moving as expected. How can that be? And how can the Sun be in the correct place from one perspective on Earth, and the wrong place from another? How can GOTO telescopes accurately track the Sun?

I am an educated person. I gratuated Summa Cum Laude from a top university in the US. As CRAZY as it sounds, I do think the sun has been rising in the wrong place since spring began. Maybe not far enough from normal to alarm the masses, but some have noticed.
I've noticed because I'm up every single day at dawn to feed my horses. For years, season after season, they wait in the first rays of sunlight to warm their backs. These early am rays move predictably across the pasture as the seasons progress so I always know where the herd will be standing. Not lately. What the hell is up?
Is it true, as the debunkers say, that a minimal change in the tilt of the earth would cause immediate upheavals that would be apparent to all? I don't think so, especially if the change was gradual. Perhaps the earth has become "like a drunkard"? Well...to all debunkers, as Gnarls would say:
"Come on now, who do you...think you are?
Bless you soul. You really think your in control?"

Gee, as a Summa Cum Laude graduate, you must know the meaning of the word "debunker".

Somebody who exposes bunk.

So, Summa Cum Laude graduate, when you call somebody a debunker, you are also calling what they are arguing against bunk.

And you are correct. All of this talk about the sun rising in the wrong place is, indeed, bunk.

OK...I just got done taking a lunch break. I read this thread and decided to take a ride out to a house I have empty and for sale. I lived there for 22 years. I wanted to get there because I could get a familiar bearing to see for myself what this entire hullabaloo is about. Well I stood out on my front porch and glance up and you know what? The Sun is further north than I recall for mid April. My take is that it is where it should be at the end of May or beginning of June. This is very odd and really makes me wonder what the hell is going on because all the scientific debunking of this assertion has its merits.

So my question is this: How can this happen without the interruption of satellites, GPS, etc? I am by no means a scientific scholar but I will take a stab at guessing an answer. As far as GPS goes the satellites in orbit are in a stationary orbit. If the Earth moves/rolls the satellites will also roll with it. It is after all scientific fact that the Earth moves back and forth on it axis. With that movement so too move the satellites. So as far a satellite or GPS disruption I do not understand why it should be disrupted.

Also, the assertion that the Sun has become white is a FACT. All one has to do is look at it to validate this. So with that said what has changed from 40 years ago and further back? My guess would be that the atmosphere has changed thus the filter we look through to view the Sun has been altered. Now we can go on and on about why the atmosphere has changed. Chemical trails, manmade pollutants, natural cycle and many other well-reasoned theories. The bottom line is that it has changed in appearance.

Finally, I take sincerely what the Inuit people say about the Sun coming up at a different location than it usually does. These people have lived the same way of life for hundreds of years. If the elders say that they are alarmed at what they are witnessing then this is without question a warning that mankind cannot brush this aside as a backward society silly notion. After all we have all are technology and science to prove that what they are seeing is a lie. I had a girlfriend say to me a long time ago. ‘Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes’? Somehow I get the feeling the Inuit have been told the same thing.

Peace!

Another example of the kind and benevolent Nancy Lieder. Mother Teresa and Joan of Arc rolled into one, indeed.

Taking threads and other anecdotes as proof of anything is rather irrational, Nancy. But so many of your positions are.

Moving very slightly about your front porch will make dramatically different results. That's why you use instruments to MEASURE these observations. And, according to instruments built centuries ago, the Sun is moving in its predictable way. GOTOs and other automatic equipment still track the Sun. Unless Nancy, or others, can come up with a way these instruments would ADAPT to unpredictable movements in the heavens, you are merely incorrect. No sin in that.



Doesn't work that way. Firstly, GPS satellites are not in stationary orbits. Secondly, satellites are not "tied" to a certain point on the Earth, so if the Earth DID suddenly turn in a whole new direction, the satellite would NOT correct with it, any more than an massive Earthquake affects the airplane 30,000 feet above it.

If the Earth moved oddly, every GPS on Earth would be unable to compensate. The assumptions built into the GPS system would be wrong, as would the assumptions built into every automatic tracking telescope.



How about the effect of 40 years of aging on your eyes? The only way to tell for sure is to MEASURE this. The same spectrum results from sunlight now as when it was measured a century ago. Cameras still use the same exposures and the same settings as decades ago. If the Sun's light has significantly changed, why haven't those?

This is not saying that the Sun's light HASN'T become whiter. But, if it has, that cause should demonstrate a myriad of effects. The same as Nancy's "halted Earth." She claims the Earth is halted, but this cause seems to have no REAL, MEASURABLE effects.



Again, this is an anecdotal account, and although interesting, it needs to be confirmed in some measurable way. Ancient structures are still lining up with the Sun as expected. Modern instruments still track the Sun, demonstrating that the math that predicts these movements still applies. Conjuctions, eclipses, transits, and the like still occur on time. How can these occur if the Sun (or Earth) are out of place?

The short answer: They can't. So, someone is mistaken. I'll go with the more precise measurement, all things considered.

NANCY OR NOTHING!

Here is an interesting fact about GPS systems. Why did they change the governing body in 2004 from interagency board to the Department of Defense?

GPS is owned and operated by the U.S. Government as a national resource. DOD is the "steward" of GPS, and as such, is responsible to operate the system in accordance with the signal specification. The National Space-Based Positioning, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) Executive Committee was established by Presidential directive in 2004 to advise and coordinate federal departments and agencies on matters concerning the Global Positioning System (GPS) and related systems. This Committee replaced the Interagency GPS Executive Board (IGEB), which oversaw GPS policy matters from 1996 to 2004. The Executive Committee is chaired jointly by the Deputy Secretaries of Defense and Transportation. Its membership includes equivalent-level officials from the Departments of State, Commerce, and Homeland Security, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and NASA. Components of the Executive Office of the President participate as observers to the Executive Committee, and the FCC Chairman participates as a liaison.
DOD is required by law to "maintain a Standard Positioning Service (SPS) (as defined in the Federal Radionavigation Plan and the Standard Positioning Service Signal Specification) that will be available on a continuous, worldwide basis," and, "develop measures to prevent hostile use of GPS and its augmentations without unduly disrupting or degrading civilian uses." These strict requirements and current augmentation systems should actually make DOD use of the system transparent to the civil user. (Note: There will, necessarily, be localized testing of the system by military and development teams but the testing will fall under strict notification guidelines of safety-of-life users such as Coast Guard and FAA).

U.S. transportation, public safety, economic, scientific, timing, and other users rely on GPS extensively. In aviation and maritime transportation, GPS is used for "safety of life" navigation and it is a critical system for these applications. DOD is the steward of the system, responsible to maintain the signal specification; the PNT provides management oversight to assure that civil and military needs are properly balanced