False Doctrines - The Danger of "Single Verse Doctrinal Theology" - Biblical Discernment - Peter is Satan / the Serpent?

While it is true that Jesus, is not the Father, it is also true that the Old Testament God, YHWH, Jehovah, Yahweh, is not the Father either.
John 6:46 "not that anyone has seen the Father except the One who is from God; only He has seen the Father. "

So Adam and Eve did not see or walk in the Garden with the Father, neither did Moses or any one else have any dealings with the Father.
They only had Dealings with The Word, AKA His Son, Jesus.

John Ch. 1 proves this;
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made
( Jesus, the Word, created all things including Adam and Eve and walked and talked with them in the Garden of Eden)

14 The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.


This Idea that the Old Testament God was the Father or someone other than His Son, Jesus,(Who is also God), causes much Confusion.
Thinking the Old Testament God, was the Father, is also contrary to what Scripture, teaches us.

Utter nonsense.

The Old Testament is full of prophecy of Jesus' being sent in the future.

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And Jesus makes the connection with the Father from the OT in dozens of verses quoting the OT.

Who is Jesus' "God"...who is Jesus' "Father"....whom Jesus had to "ascend to"?

John 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

....21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

Matthew 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

How is it that you follow Jesus but yet ignore what Jesus says about Himself? There's a reason Jesus not only SAID these things, but also that they are recorded as His own words...direct quotes.

...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28
...I do ONLY the Father's Will. Matthew 7:21
...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17
...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50
...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19
...I give THANKS to the Father. John 11:41
...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36
...I tell you to ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13
...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64
...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17
...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18
...only the Father is good.. Luke 18:19

Jesus uses the phrase "SENT Me" 39 times

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Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 01/06/2019 04:08 PM

You're using the same twisted logic as I demostrated in my OP.

Let's compare scriptural differences of the Father to the SON.

The Father prays to NO one.
Jesus prays TO the Father and teaches the same via the Lord's Prayer.

The Father is NOT humble.
Jesus humbles Himself TO the Father.

The Father sits on the throne in Heaven.
Jesus sits at the Father's Right Hand.

The Father (in the OT prophecies) states that He will SEND / "raise up" someone.
Jesus SAID He was SENT.

The Father is in Heaven.
Jesus states He will ascend TO His Father in Heaven, not to "Himself".

The Father knows when Jesus will return.
Jesus doesn't know when He will return.

The Father has Moses remove his sandals on "holy ground".
Jesus doesn' tell anyone any such thing.

The Father SENT Jesus.
Jesus doesn't send the Father.

The Father is the source of all power, authority and wisdom.
Jesus learned from the Father, speaks words from the Father and was "given" authority.

The Father IS God Himself.
Jesus is "the Christ", the "Messiah", the "Lamb OF God" and the "Son OF God".

The Father gives thanks to no one.
Jesus gives thanks to the Father.

Yes Jesus separates Himself all the time from the Father , no human can explain 3 in 1

The "rapture" doctrine ALSO comes from what I call "Single Verse Doctrinal Theology", where theologians cherry-pick single verses from various parts of the Bible and use them to create a "doctrinal statement".

The method USUALLY IGNORES vast amounts of scripture, especially things that Jesus said.

It ALSO tends to start with some verse in one of Paul's letters.

See the highlighted text above.
Here's the simple explanation.

Pharisee Rabbis have been teaching the "Oral Torah" for 2000+ years, claiming Moses gave their ancestors "special instructions".

And Christian seminaries have been teaching...
- WHAT to believe
- HOW to defend it
- How to run a "business"....
...for the last 50+ years.

It's easy to create doctrines of all types
when you ignore multiple verses that prove
those doctrines to be incorrect.

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That's a somewhat complicated question, but maybe the easiest way to expalin it is that I try to limit what "I" say and instead SHOW the scriptural evidence.

Many "docetines" are usually based on 1 or 2 "core" verses, followed by other verses that seem to support the "doctrine". As long as there appears to be supporting verses, the "doctrine" then starts to be taught.

In my view, that isn't the right / correct / complete way that doctrines should be made, as the "procedure" leaves out a critical parts of truthful doctrinal formation.

1. Is there scriptural evidence that "refutes" the doctrine?

2. How MUCH of scripture is there that refutes the doctrine?

3. Does the doctrine require a LOT of non-scriptural "explanation" to make it "appear" to be sound?

4. Does the doctrine IGNORE the "lack" of hard evidence that would support it conclusively?

5. Does the doctrine have "common sense" to it or not?

False doctrines are easy to make - here's a couple.

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Here's a topic I have about false doctrines.
I will put a copy of this post in there.
I will "unlock" you so that you can respond.

Thread: False Doctrines - The Danger of "Single Verse Doctrinal Theology" - Biblical Discernment - Peter is Satan / the Serpent?

Let's look at your "doctrine" that "Jesus is God Almighty" and see what happens when we apply rules.

Your doctrine starts with 2 main passages.
1. Isaiah 9:6
2. Revelation passages.

1. Isaiah 9:6 says "he will be called" - NOT "he will BE" nor even "he IS".

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2. Revelatioon passages.

Most notably - this verse us overlooked.
The "Lord God Almighty" is the Father.
The "Lamb" is Jesus.

Revelation 21:22 - And I saw no temple therein:
for the Lord God Almighty
and the Lamb
are the temple of it.

Application of "rules".

A. Scriptures that refute your doctrine.

Isaiah 46:9 - The Father says "I am God and there is no one else".

Jesus said the Father is the "one true God - MY God and YOUR God". John 17:3, John 20:17 and Revelation 3:12.

B. Lack of definitive supporting scripture for your doctrine.

000. Jesus NEVER said this phrase "I am God".

0000. Jesus NEVER said this phrase "call me God".

3. NO one says this phrase - "Jesus is God".

....

C. Total amount of scripture that refutes your doctrine.

There's only ONE person that calls Jesus "my God" - Thomas.
EVERYONE else says "the SON of God" etc...

God Himself refers to Jesus as His Son: Matthew 2:15, 3:17, 17:5, Mk 1:11, 9:7,Luke 9:35

Jesus says that he is the Son of God: Mark 14:61-62, John 3:16, John 3:18, John 9:35, 10:36

The angel Gabriel says Jesus is the Son of God: Luke 1:35

Peter says that Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 16:16

John the Apostle says Jesus is the Son of God: John 20:31, 1 John 3:23, 4:15, 5:5

All the Apostles say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 14:33, John 6:69

John the Baptist says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:34

John Mark says Jesus is the Son of God: Mark 1:1

Paul says Jesus is the Son of God: Acts 9:20, Romans 1:4, 1 Corinthians 1:9, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Galatians 2:20, Hebrews 4:14

Nathanael says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:49

Centurions says Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 27:54, Mark 15:39

Satan says Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 4:3

Demons say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 8:29, Mark 3:11, 5:7,Luke 4:41, 8:28

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Titles for Jesus

"the Son OF God" 46 times in the KJV NT

"the Christ" 19 times in the KJV NT

"Son of the most High God" Mark 5:7
"Son of the Highest" Luke 1:32
"Son of the Father" 2 John 1:3
"Son of the Living God" Matthew 16:16 & John 6:69

"the Messiah" Daniel 9:25
"the Lamb OF God" John 1:29