National Treasure is a pro-Mason propaganda flick perpetrated by Disney

oh don´t give it away i want to see it

Thanks forgot was intending to go see that tonight. Just released Friday wasn´t it?

I didn´t give it away! I´m no Porksword, no secrets revealed.

hahhahahaha well feel free to tell us how good it was though

so was it all action and no secrets?

My son wanted to go see it tonight.

I didn´t think it looked very good.

Some reviews I read were not very good.

I would compare it to the recent Mummy movies in terms of its humor and action. Those of us on this board will recognize it for what it is.

Bump for Zakk! Has he ever posted on someone else´s thread before? Ever?

I plan on taking my boys to see it Sunday. Hey BJ, how they hanging?

>Has he ever posted on someone else´s thread before? Ever?


It´s rare, but I have seen him post on other´s threads. Zakk is pretty much in his own world and he doesn´t respond well even when you talk to him on HIS threads. LOL!


for Zakk! I care about you dude!

I don´t think he has Black Jack...

I´m going to see the movie in a couple of days..

Blue!

Hey Flame. And how are yours, um, *hanging* tonight?

*slaps Blue on the back*

*spits on the floor*

*farts and takes a seat*

Hey Blueskeyes, Ankhy, Flame, etc. I have been following the Zakk story now for several months and I must say it is better than most fiction, if it is.

Blueskeyes, I think your kids will like the film. If anything, it will get them interested in American history if they aren´t already.

LOL! Ankhy...

I follow the Zakk stuff too BJ. He is quite the science project.

"*slaps Blue on the back*

*spits on the floor*

*farts and takes a seat*"




Do you eat with that mouth sailor?

>Do you eat with that mouth sailor?


That, and I can do other things with it too!

@ ankhy

I want to see it too. What pro-Mason stuff in it without revealing too much. I know what the story is.

"That, and I can do other things with it too!"

>What pro-Mason stuff in it without revealing too much.

It is also pro-Knights Templar. Without giving anything away, all Masons in the film, including the "founding fathers" are portrayed as saints.

"B, don´t be afraid, it won´t hurt"


Hurt? I´d be thrilled just to find out if the ole plumbing still works Ankhy.

You mean you don´t know?

"National Treasure": Freemasons, Fact, and Fiction

Stefan Lovgren in Los Angeles
for National Geographic News
November 19, 2004


Imagine this: Centuries ago an order of European knights amassed a huge treasure of priceless artifacts from around the world.
The loot was later brought to the United States by the Freemasons, a secret society. Determined to keep it out of the hands of the British during the American Revolution, Benjamin Franklin and other Masons hid the treasure in a secret location but left clues to its whereabouts in famous American landmarks.

Nicolas Cage, who plays Ben Gates in the movie National Treasure, steals the U.S. Declaration of Independence to uncover clues that will lead him to a treasure his family has hunted for years.

Photograph by Robert Zuckerman, copyright Buena Vista Pictures

Now, the great-great-great-great-great-grandson of a carriage boy who learned the secret vows to find the treasure. The clues lead him to an invisible map hidden on the back of the U.S. Declaration of Independence.

Preposterous? Absolutely.

But the plot of National Treasure, the adventure yarn starring Nicolas Cage that opens in U.S. movie theaters today, is also irresistible fun.

It´s become a bona fide recipe for success: Invent an old-fashioned treasure hunt, fill it with conspiracies and secret codes, and set it against a backdrop of real history.

When Dan Brown cooked up a similarly far-out plot in his runaway bestseller The Da Vinci Code—about a 2,000-year-old secret it claimed has been concealed by the Catholic Church—readers flocked to religious and historical texts to learn more about what really happened.

Will National Treasure do the same for moviegoers?

"I hope it gets people interested in the past," said Jim Kouf, who co-wrote the screenplay. "After seeing the movie, my daughter grabbed a copy of the Declaration of Independence and brought it to school with her. That was very exciting."

Freemasons

For an indication of the public´s fascination with secret societies and conspiracy theories, jump on to the Internet, where thousands of wild Web sites claim that shadowy alliances do everything from running international affairs to managing interplanetary treaties.

Perhaps the most famous secret society is the Freemasons, a medieval guild of stonemasons that formed in England in the early 18th century and developed into a powerful fraternity.

The Freemasons have enjoyed a reputation as influential politicians, scientists, and artists whose works and charities have enhanced the world. Some Christian leaders, however, have called it a secret society bent on spreading evil.

Of the 55 men who signed the Declaration of Independence, at least 9 are said to have been Freemasons. President George Washington was also among its members.

In the new movie the Freemasons are seen in a positive light.

"The Masons were founded on pretty solid principles, and a lot of those held for the Founding Fathers and probably influenced them a great deal toward democracy at the time," said Kouf, whose grandfather was a Freemason. "When Washington had trouble raising his army, he called upon his Masonic brothers, because he knew he could count on them."

There is a tenuous link between the Freemasons and the Knights Templar, a mysterious order of knights founded in 1119 to protect Christian pilgrims on their way to the Holy Land. Many Freemasons today say they are the spiritual descendants of the knights.

According to legend, the Knights Templar discovered the greatest treasure in human history buried beneath the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem. What is true, scholars say, is that the knights became wealthy and powerful, and they may have rivaled the influence of some European kings.

"They´re mysterious because they were so sensationally successful," said Lisa Bitel, a history professor at the University of Southern California, Los Angeles. "The idea behind lots of these conspiracy and treasure stories is that any individual could happen upon a forgotten relic of the past, join with other like-minded mavericks, and use this relic for personal redemption or universal good."

But in the early 1300s, the knights were suppressed and executed. Whether they found Solomon´s treasure is not known. No treasure map has ever been found.

Raising Questions

Although the medieval knights also feature prominently in The Da Vinci Code, it was that novel´s main plot twist—that Jesus Christ married Mary Magdalene—which stirred up real controversy. Could this be true?

"There´s no evidence for it in any text," said Joseph Kelly, a professor of religious studies at John Carroll University in Cleveland, Ohio, who has given numerous public lectures disproving the "secrets" in Brown´s novel.

Kelly says many people are disappointed when he tells them that the marriage never happened. Yet the academic says there are many things in the book that are historically accurate, and he believes the novel serves a valuable purpose.

"Brown tells people something they never knew—that the early history of Christianity was much more complicated than anybody thought," he said.

Kouf, the movie scribe, sees little danger in weaving together fiction and history.

"If we were laying it out as a true story, then I´d agree that we´re taking too many liberties," he said. "But because it´s set out in an adventure mold like Indiana Jones, I think we´re OK. People know some of this stuff didn´t happen."

Still, Kouf, who considers himself a "history nut," said he tried to include as many references to U.S. history—and use as many real locations—as possible.

"Mostly we set out to have a rollicking good time," he said. "But if it gets people to also look at history differently and pick up a book about the Founding Fathers, that´s great."

as you were always fooled, they are also fooled and believe they are doing good.

"There is a tenuous link between the Freemasons and the Knights Templar, a mysterious order of knights founded in 1119 to protect Christian pilgrims on their way to the Holy Land. Many Freemasons today say they are the spiritual descendants of the knights."

Movie released on 11/19

Were these guys fooled by the alien fallen angels?

Were these guys fooled by the alien fallen angels?