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Enigma User ID: 70637 United States 01/06/2009 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they have a HUGE selection of bulk items and seeds, just for sprouting or making Wheat Grass... One trick I learned for increasing germination rates is to give the seeds a soak in Super Thrive before planting. It's made by the Vitamin Institute and is pure magic on starting seeds... it will INDEED revive lots of seeds right at the edge of not germinating... |
Ossie bloke User ID: 424327 Romania 01/06/2009 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Circumstances do arise where it is important to discard all the older seeds even if the germination rate is reasonably high, this is because they tend to lack vigour. Conversely, sometimes it is important to plant old seed because seed collection of the survivors injects extra storage time viability into the gene pool. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 160240 United States 01/06/2009 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yup I use Superthrive too, back in the days when I was growing something other than vegetables is when I discovered it,lol... Quoting: OmegaI've used the same for when I've grown something other than vegetables. Works great. I also used 10 year old seeds, and some of them sprouted and produced beautiful potent plants. |
mercury2 User ID: 540794 France 01/06/2009 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SuperThrive is a fantastic product and highly recommended, but even without it, don't be afraid to experiment with old seeds, you may have excellent results. I've grown whole gardens from all kinds of old seeds before. I'm sure it wasn't much different than if they were new seeds. Certainly don't throw them out without trying. A lot of new gardeners have the idea that you have to start everything indoors in pots under lights first before you plant them outside. I would avoid that as much as possible and plant seeds directly in the ground. You'd be amazed what you can grow by just sticking the seed in the ground where you want it to grow, if the soil is well prepared and rich. I don't know for sure if a hobby gardener saves money by starting their own tomato and pepper plants either. If you're just starting out you are better off buying plants, they're cheap and will do better if you don't know what you're doing. The key to gardening is having really good soil. That's the main most important thing. If you have really good soil your plants will grow. And mulching to smother the weeds, that will conserve water and protect the roots too. really good soil, and mulch, and a willingness to experiment, you're all set. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 268079 United States 01/06/2009 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.amazon.com] "Seed to Seed" is an amazing book It has detailed instructions for saving seed from every imaginable type of veggie, as well as growing tips for producing the best seed. I have experimented with collecting seed from several types of corn grown close together. It is a bit trickey to ensure that the types don't cross-pollenate. It was definately a learning experience. Saving tomato seeds is fun too. They have to almost ferment, then get dried out. |
Sol_Suorovinrac User ID: 604469 United States 01/30/2009 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I knows how to grows but am no expert at seeds how I need to be. Brother sun, intuition moon. Home at the forest. Sure every post I have mentions goat blood...How do you think we get plasma tv's? Organic needs are being assaulted. I'm not amused by this & encourage all to grow heirloom seed for themselves. The garden gives greatest power. Diabetes curing food list [Forget the FDA - Think for yourself]: Thread: Every item recently recalled by FDA for salmonella has diabetic healing also prostate Big Pharma rids their competition |
Sol_Suorovinrac User ID: 604469 United States 01/30/2009 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Links!!! :rainbow: TY. saving seeds info: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 353013[link to www.nepanewsletter.com] open-pollinated seeds canned for long term storage: [link to www.mvseeds.com] non-hybrid seed collection, $79 and $39: [link to www.arkinstitute.com] many choices bulk seed collection, non-hybrid and heirloom: [link to www.aaoobfoods.com] Brother sun, intuition moon. Home at the forest. Sure every post I have mentions goat blood...How do you think we get plasma tv's? Organic needs are being assaulted. I'm not amused by this & encourage all to grow heirloom seed for themselves. The garden gives greatest power. Diabetes curing food list [Forget the FDA - Think for yourself]: Thread: Every item recently recalled by FDA for salmonella has diabetic healing also prostate Big Pharma rids their competition |
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Sol_Suorovinrac User ID: 604469 United States 01/30/2009 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those are all GM/ GE seed. I don't think they are even able to last but one year. Hence the reason they do such engineering and vaulting. Those vault seeds have no reproduction ability I mean. The Norway island was funded by Monsanto chemical company and syngenta Global and Bill gates. Nothing more than so they get to hike prices by patented seed. The seeds in the Iceland mountain seed vault would be interesting how they plan to keep their seeds viable for a long time Quoting: Free Store.any ideas on that? Brother sun, intuition moon. Home at the forest. Sure every post I have mentions goat blood...How do you think we get plasma tv's? Organic needs are being assaulted. I'm not amused by this & encourage all to grow heirloom seed for themselves. The garden gives greatest power. Diabetes curing food list [Forget the FDA - Think for yourself]: Thread: Every item recently recalled by FDA for salmonella has diabetic healing also prostate Big Pharma rids their competition |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 575967 United States 01/30/2009 11:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those are all GM/ GE seed. I don't think they are even able to last but one year. Hence the reason they do such engineering and vaulting. Those vault seeds have no reproduction ability I mean. The Norway island was funded by Monsanto chemical company and syngenta Global and Bill gates. Nothing more than so they get to hike prices by patented seed. Quoting: Sol_SuorovinracThe seeds in the Iceland mountain seed vault would be interesting how they plan to keep their seeds viable for a long time any ideas on that? huh, weird but that makes me feel better about 'seed island' lol |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 604592 United States 01/31/2009 12:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So far I haven't had any problem growing old seeds, it's just they don't all sprout... but don't throw them away! Recently, someone gave me a bag of Anazazi beans and there was a story attached to the bag about their origin. I cooked them and they were really good, better than pinto, I think. I did a little searching and thought to add this: Imagine it. A cave, nearly hidden, high inside a glacier-carved, wind-sanded canyon wall in New Mexico. Outside the cave, the sun has scorched everything to red; inside it’s cool, dark, and quiet. The only sounds are those you and your fellow archeologists make as you gently scrape the sugar-dusted sandstone walls, each echo stirring up memories that can’t possibly belong to you, of times when ice sheets groaned their way across the belly of this canyon. On the underside of a ledge protruding from a dusty wall, your knuckles rake gravel and clay and then, something more deliberate. Its purposeful shape catches your senses, and you gently pull it out. It’s a tiny pot, formed from the clay of these very walls. It’s sealed tightly, impossibly, with tar. Later, you’ll learn that it’s pine pitch, but for now you struggle to pry the beaded, rocklike substance off. It must have been here a very long time. At last and with a weary, crackling sound, the tar gives and the pot’s lid slides sideways. Three pebbles tumble into your open palm. They are an oblong shape, speckled with white and mahogany spots, and unlike any of the stones you’ve encountered in this desert terrain. But no, not pebbles. They’re seeds. Bean seeds. The seed found in that clay pot was ferried to a lab, where carbon dating revealed that it had been sitting in that high, dry enclave in the desert for nearly 1,500 years. The seed’s finder, always pushing the envelope, hid one in her pocket. Later, she did exactly what this bean’s original cultivators did, the only thing there was to do: she planted it. It grew. And from this leap of faith came the seed crop that today I’m nurturing in my garden, and the seeds that we’re having in our chili sans carne. This is one version of how the Anasazi cave bean was rescued as it dangled from the bridge of extinction. Some believe that this is merely apocryphal, but I’ve always believed it was true. Seeds are like that. And now it seems that there’s reason for belief. Recently, news sources carried a story about a 2,000-year-old date palm seed. Recovered from the ancient Jewish fortress of Masada near the Dead Sea, it has become the oldest seed in the world to have germinated successfully. The seed was found with two others during archeological excavations in the 1960s. Radiocarbon dating showed that the seeds were formed sometime between 206BC and AD24. To put this in perspective, that was just before the Romans laid siege to Masada in AD72. The seed was stored for two decades, and recently, as part of a science experiment of sorts, it was planted. It’s now a fledging tree, just four inches tall and sporting five palmate leaves (a sixth was removed for DNA testing). [link to beckyandthebeanstock.com] |
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Sol_Suorovinrac User ID: 604469 United States 01/31/2009 12:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From the Ozark Seed Exchange: [link to www.ozarkseedexchange.com] free: An Inter-Active Gardener’s Tote Book First Edition, June 2005 Brother sun, intuition moon. Home at the forest. Sure every post I have mentions goat blood...How do you think we get plasma tv's? Organic needs are being assaulted. I'm not amused by this & encourage all to grow heirloom seed for themselves. The garden gives greatest power. Diabetes curing food list [Forget the FDA - Think for yourself]: Thread: Every item recently recalled by FDA for salmonella has diabetic healing also prostate Big Pharma rids their competition |
Sol_Suorovinrac User ID: 605626 United States 02/01/2009 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think most seeds are hydroponic worthy. I have not tried them yet. Brother sun, intuition moon. Home at the forest. Sure every post I have mentions goat blood...How do you think we get plasma tv's? Organic needs are being assaulted. I'm not amused by this & encourage all to grow heirloom seed for themselves. The garden gives greatest power. Diabetes curing food list [Forget the FDA - Think for yourself]: Thread: Every item recently recalled by FDA for salmonella has diabetic healing also prostate Big Pharma rids their competition |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 605696 United States 02/01/2009 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have seeds that were sealed in tin cans in the 1940's. They are various vegetables, lettuce etc. I also was wondering if it was worth my while opening them and trying to grow them, or if I should just keep them as oddities. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 605701Break them out and try it! Let us know what happens, this is important! You could save the can but plant the seeds and spread the knowledge! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 314772 United States 02/01/2009 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank GOD the seeds work it was what perhaps GOD intended Let the REAL seeds grow Amen to tht !!!! Thank You GOD! REAL SEEDS do GROW! Amen I am thinking perhaps most positive ! Do you think thats what GOD intended???? Like maybe some grow some don't ???? thinking of what JESUS said some lay by the wayside or in thorn bushes????? Perhaps he was most correct! amen |
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michiganfreedom User ID: 605133 United States 02/01/2009 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My wife bought some "Indian corn" a ta fair about 20 yrs ago, I was rummaging through the garage attic last spring and came across them, i was going to throw them out but decided to plant some from an Aztec black ear, now mind you, these things were on the cob, stored in a unheated Garage attic,where it gets -20 occasionally in the winter and well over 100 in the summer, along with the fact i live one mile from a great lake and the humidity is very high in summer, all five seeds grew into healthy plants that produced 8-10 inch ears of corn. And they say the Communists lost,LOL |
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SouthernLight User ID: 595696 United States 02/01/2009 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Use 'em! I've sprouted and (or simply) planted seeds that had been hauled around for 10+ years and stored under durn near the worst of conditions... Lower germination rate, yes, but no total failures. In fact, I've had lower germination (and weird results) from more of my recent purchases than any of my old stock. Strange that. We know more than we know and understand less than we think. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 603140 United States 02/01/2009 09:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i know this is a bit long, but this is my experience as a newbie gardener last year. i would also like to confirm this w/ those gardeners who have more experience. sorry to post on your message, but i also just found a pack of seeds that i've had hiding for well over 5 years, so I'm curious. last year my mil and i started gardening. i planted seeds spread apart from each other, while my mil planted them close together in rows. i was trying to avoid transplanting. hers sprouted nicely, while i was seething w/ envy because mine barely sprouted. i couldn't figure out why this happened and all she did was boast. "I've always had a hand for gardening." (eyes rolling.) so i decided to do what she did. i planted the seeds close together in rows and voila! most of them sprouted. so my mil does not have the "golden touch" like she thought she did. so my idea is that i think when they're closer together, they seem to have their own communication that sends some sort of a signal to the others. i thought it was interesting and i'm going to do an experiment this summer to find out if it's true. what are the board's thoughts on this? |
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mercury2 User ID: 145456 France 02/03/2009 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so my idea is that i think when they're closer together, they seem to have their own communication that sends some sort of a signal to the others. i thought it was interesting and i'm going to do an experiment this summer to find out if it's true. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 603140what are the board's thoughts on this? I think you have the right attitude to be a good gardener because it's all a big experiment and it's good to try new things and learn from your mistakes. However my technique would be more toward your first thought, of planting them farther apart so that you don't have to thin them. That's how I would do it. It would conserve the seed and save work too. |
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