I can no longer ignore, in good conscience, Matthew using a mistranslation of Isaiah 7:14 to proclaim the virgin birth

Op, this channel questions whether Yeshua was born of a woman, as well as other bible inconsistencies.

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Do you still love and care about God if He has never been a man and never will be a man?

Or no?

Isaiah says Virgin



New Testament says Virgin.



Jesus never referred to Joseph as his father





I seriously don't know what your question is?




Is this how people claim the Bible is inconsistent??!

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The OP has left the Building after attempting to cast doubt on Christ and God’s preserved Word.

Bye satan .

Matthew doesn’t use a mistranslation
He uses the LXX

So you must believe that the LXX is a translation of heb as they like to claim instead of considering that it may indeed be the other way round ?

Genesis 27. In this story, Rebecca, the mother of twin brothers Jacob and Esau, favored Jacob and wanted him to receive the birthright and blessing that typically belonged to the firstborn son, Esau.
Rebecca came up with a plan to deceive Isaac, who was old and blind, by having Jacob dress up in Esau's clothes and use goat skins to mimic Esau's hairy arms. When Isaac asked Jacob if he was really Esau, Jacob lied and said he was, invoking God's name in his lie.
This deception ultimately led to Jacob receiving the birthright and blessing intended for Esau, setting the stage for a long-standing conflict between the two brothers and their descendants.

It's true that the Gospel of Matthew often quotes from the Septuagint (LXX) rather than directly from the Hebrew Bible. The LXX is an ancient Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, which was widely used in the ancient world, particularly among Greek-speaking Jews.

While there is some debate among scholars about the relationship between the LXX and the Hebrew Bible, the prevailing view is that the LXX was indeed a translation of the Hebrew text. However, it's possible that in some cases, the LXX may have been based on an earlier version of the Hebrew text than the one that we have today, which could explain some of the differences between the two.

Isaiah 7:14 is talking about Hezekiah, clearly.
Undereducated say otherwise.
Then vote you down in love.

The Roman Empire did play a significant role in shaping the development of Christianity, particularly through the Council of Nicea in 325 CE, which established the official doctrine of the trinity and other key aspects of Christian belief.

Some scholars argue that the Roman Empire co-opted Christianity as a means of maintaining political and social control, and that the teachings of Jesus and the early church were significantly altered in the process.

Others, however, maintain that the Roman Empire did not fundamentally alter the essence of Christian belief, and that the early church was able to maintain its distinct identity and values despite persecution and pressure from the Roman authorities

While some interpreters do argue that Isaiah 7:14 is referring to the birth of the prophet Hezekiah, others believe that it is a messianic prophecy that foretells the birth of Jesus.

The passage in question reads: "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel." Some argue that the term "virgin" is a mistranslation, and that the Hebrew word "almah" actually means "young woman" or "maiden," which would make sense in the context of Hezekiah's birth.

However, Christians traditionally interpret this passage as a prophecy of the virgin birth of Jesus, particularly in light of Matthew 1:23, which quotes Isaiah 7:14 and applies it directly to Jesus.

While the actions of Rebecca and Jacob are certainly questionable from a moral standpoint, it's important to consider the cultural and historical context of the story. In ancient Near Eastern societies, the blessing and birthright of the firstborn son were highly valued and often determined the future success of the family. Rebecca may have believed that she was acting in the best interests of her family by ensuring that Jacob, whom she saw as more deserving, received the blessing.

While some Christians do believe that history repeats itself or that biblical events foreshadow future events, the idea that Mary would give birth to another child through a virgin birth is not a commonly held belief

The greater argument is that if she was not a virgin, she would be stoned to death or killed.
This was the Custom in Israel and most of the Middle East at that time and still is in some parts of the world.
This is what would be normal for that culture, as opposed to the Western culture of today.
Understanding the Culture and Customs (as well as the religious legal system of Israel) is required to fully undertand much of the Bible.

All of which misses the point that the Gospel was making;
That God was providing a miraculous sign; a virgin giving birth to a child.
This was basically a "wake up" call for the community, that God was about to do something special.

The problem here is that they consider this like any other doccument written by men. It is not.
God decided what was to be written, so He is the one who controls men to keep it correct. It is his revealed will, written down for us to see.

Now if he can't control his own word, then he would not be much of a God and certainly not the creator of the Universe. Which is the narrative that the naysayers are really trying to push.

Nice summarization, but wrong pre
mise.


1. Bible Copywriters don't get paid for new translations unless they "change" ten passsges.

2. Christians don't "Bible study", they Bible recite, meditate ponder & memorize.

3. Zero Christian schools/churches teach Greek, OR Hebrew...therefore

4. Christians don't have a clue what they're talking about, because they 'believe first, THEN walk it THROUGH, POWERING their way into belief heaven like a woman.
Gnosticism, ethereal
Not "Biblical truth".


Issiah 7:14 TANAKH (That's Hebrew folks)
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Christians are hand-delivered VERSES.
The context ALONE of Isaiah 1-10 should be enough to make messianic Jesus laughable.
Judaism laughs at Christians like Christians laugh at Mormons, because they are uneducated, and look for hero apologists while they ride others coat-tails.


A sign, is something you can SEE.
You can't "see" a virgin birth, nor does a "don't worry everyone, in 700 years this dudes gonna come to rid us of Ahaz, rejoice!" make any sense whatsover.

The Christian church(Rome) deliberately mistranslated & created this.

You don't really understand if you need this.

Mary didn't have "the dream" until AFTER she married Joseph and was already pregnant


most people didn't believe that story, certainly not the scribes who recorded that Simon (High Priest) impregnated Mary when she was an orphan at the temple

seriously you should do some research before you expose your ignorance/brain washing

If I may ask..why do you keep your avatar, in spite of the um, objections? I want to hate you for it, but you end up winning me over sometimes with your insights, lol.

Wondering if anyone knows why since year one or 1966 repeatedly eastern practices keep trying to be imported and popularized which is today such as yoga, eastern mysticism, caste systems, etc.

So you don’t believe in parthenogenesis?

Almah: a word mentioned only 9 times in the old testament:

Genesis 24:43

"Behold, I stand by the well of water; and it shall come to pass, that when the virgin cometh forth to draw water, and I say to her, Give me, I pray thee, a little water of thy pitcher to drink;"

Exodus 2:8

"And Pharaoh's daughter said to her, Go. And the maid went and called the child's mother."

Isaiah 7:14-15

"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good."

Song of Solomon 1:1-3

"The song of songs, which is Solomon's.
Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.
Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as ointment poured forth, therefore do the virgins love thee."

Song of Solomon 6:7-9

" As a piece of a pomegranate are thy temples within thy locks.
There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and virgins without number.
My dove, my undefiled is but one; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her."

Psalm 68:24-26

" They have seen thy goings, O God; even the goings of my God, my King, in the sanctuary.
The singers went before, the players on instruments followed after; among them were the damsels playing with timbrels.
Bless ye God in the congregations, even the Lord, from the fountain of Israel."

Proverbs 30:18-19

"There be three things which are too wonderful for me, yea, four which I know not:
The way of an eagle in the air; the way of a serpent upon a rock; the way of a ship in the midst of the sea; and the way of a man with a maid."

1 Chronicles 15:20

"And Zechariah, and Aziel, and Shemiramoth, and Jehiel, and Unni, and Eliab, and Maaseiah, and Benaiah, with psalteries on Alamoth;"

Psalm 46 uses the word Alamoth in its heading.

I'm sure not everything that happened then was documented. Written on scrolls of parchment, tons of them lost and buried in caves, etc. I go by intuition and true knowledge from the heart not what man wrote down.

In the Jewish tradition, Isaiah 7:14 is understood within the context of the Syro-Ephraimite War, which took place around 735 BCE.

King Ahaz of Judah was being pressured by Israel (Ephraim) and Syria (Aram) to join an alliance against Assyria. Ahaz was afraid, and God sent the prophet Isaiah to reassure him. The sign of a young woman conceiving and bearing a son was meant to assure Ahaz that the threat from Israel and Syria would be over before the child reached a certain age. This interpretation sees the passage as a specific, historical event relevant to King Ahaz's situation.

However, in Christianity, Isaiah 7:14 is interpreted as a messianic prophecy, particularly in light of the quotation of this verse in the Gospel of Matthew.

Christians see the sign as pointing to the virgin birth of Jesus, with the child named "Immanuel" (meaning "God with us") indicating the divinity of Jesus as the Son of God

Isaiah 1-10 and Christianity: Many Christians believe that Isaiah's prophecies in chapters 1-10 set the stage for the coming of Jesus. For instance, Isaiah 1:18, which speaks of God's forgiveness and the turning of sins into "snow" and "wool," is often seen as a precursor to Jesus' teachings on forgiveness and redemption. Similarly, Isaiah 9:2-7, which speaks of a future child who will bring peace and justice, is interpreted by Christians as a messianic prophecy fulfilled in Jesus.

Isaiah 1-10 and Mormonism: Mormons interpret Isaiah's prophecies differently from mainstream Christianity. For example, they see Isaiah 5:26, which speaks of a signal raised to gather Israel from afar, as referring to the Book of Mormon's account of the gathering of the lost tribes of Israel to the Americas. Likewise, Isaiah 8:14, which warns against relying on human power instead of God, is seen by Mormons as an admonition to trust in Mormon teachings and leadership.

In Hebrew, the word used for the "young woman" in this verse is "almah," which literally translates to "a young woman of marriageable age" or "a maiden." It doesn't necessarily imply virginity, but rather youthfulness and potential fertility.

In contrast, when the Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek (the Septuagint), the word "almah" was rendered as "parthenos," which does mean "virgin." This Greek translation was later adopted by the authors of the New Testament, particularly in Matthew 1:23, to support the claim of Jesus' virgin birth.

OP, another liar trying to plant seeds of doubt.

Yawn

Matthew didn't use a mistranslation.

The Septuagint translation is the correct translation of Isaiah 7:14 because the Babylonian sign for Virgo was Shala and shala meant a young girl just like Almah means a young girl but it also implied a virgin.

"Christians don't have a clue what they're talking about, because they 'believe first, THEN walk it THROUGH, POWERING their way into belief heaven like a woman.
Gnosticism, ethereal
Not "Biblical truth"."

This may be true of these groups:

Pentecostals and Charismatics: These groups emphasize the importance of personal experiences with the Holy Spirit, including speaking in tongues, healing, and prophecy. While they do study the Bible, their interpretations may be heavily influenced by personal spiritual experiences.

Non-Denominational Evangelical Churches: Many non-denominational evangelical churches focus on personal relationships with Jesus and the importance of being "born again." These churches often prioritize evangelism and personal testimony over deep scriptural analysis.

Prosperity Gospel Churches: Some churches that adhere to the prosperity gospel, which emphasizes faith and positive confession as a means of obtaining financial and material success, could be considered belief-first communities. They may interpret biblical passages in ways that support their focus on personal prosperity.


However, the christian communities that emphasize deep scriptural analysis include:

Mainline Protestant denominations like the Lutheran, Methodist, Episcopal, and Presbyterian churches often stress the importance of studying the Bible's historical and cultural context, and many offer seminary education to their clergy.

Roman Catholic Church: The Catholic Church has a long tradition of scriptural scholarship, with a history of interpreting the Bible within the context of its ancient and medieval heritage.

Orthodox Churches: Eastern Orthodox Christianity emphasizes the teachings of the early Church Fathers and Church Councils, which often involves rigorous study of the Bible and its historical context.

Quakers: The Religious Society of Friends, also known as Quakers, has a tradition of silent, reflective worship, and emphasizes the role of the Holy Spirit in guiding individual interpretation of scripture.

As there are about 2.38 billion christians worldwide, they tend to be a pretty diverse lot that should not be pigeon-holed.

Last Edited by Lago on 03/21/2024 11:27 AM

It's true that the Septuagint, which is a Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament from the 3rd century BCE, translates the Hebrew word "almah" in Isaiah 7:14 as "parthenos," which does mean "virgin." This is the translation that Matthew quotes in his Gospel.

However, some scholars argue that the use of "parthenos" in the Septuagint may have been influenced by later Jewish and Christian beliefs about the virgin birth of Jesus, and may not accurately reflect the original intent of the Hebrew text.

The Hebrew word "almah" primarily refers to a young woman of marriageable age without explicitly indicating her virginity, although it doesn't rule it out either.

The Babylonian sign for Virgo being "Shala" and its meaning as a young girl could be considered as additional context, but it's not direct evidence that "almah" in Isaiah 7:14 should be translated as "virgin."