Chat GTP gets Easter 2024 date wrong | |
Nexus-9 User ID: 85155997 United States 03/20/2024 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can anyone tell me why chat GTP can’t get the date of Easter right for 2024? Go in an ask it yourself. I got April 7 and April 21, but the calendar says it March 31. I saw someone mention in another thread they messed with the Easter dates this year, but can’t find any thread about it. What’s going on? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86044601 If you're asking Chat GPT 3.5 it's last update was in Jan 22, and Open AI did not provide it with an internal calendar. You have to tell it the current date and that the year is 2024. "Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy (...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty) "Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge" "The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961 |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 86044601 United States 03/20/2024 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can anyone tell me why chat GTP can’t get the date of Easter right for 2024? Go in an ask it yourself. I got April 7 and April 21, but the calendar says it March 31. I saw someone mention in another thread they messed with the Easter dates this year, but can’t find any thread about it. What’s going on? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86044601 If you're asking Chat GPT 3.5 it's last update was in Jan 22, and Open AI did not provide it with an internal calendar. You have to tell it the current date and that the year is 2024. I still don’t get it? Do I need to say Today is March 20, 2024, what day is Independence Day in America in 2024…. To get the correct date? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73512962 United States 03/20/2024 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can anyone tell me why chat GTP can’t get the date of Easter right for 2024? Go in an ask it yourself. I got April 7 and April 21, but the calendar says it March 31. I saw someone mention in another thread they messed with the Easter dates this year, but can’t find any thread about it. What’s going on? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86044601 that's because your white supremacy makes you think White Easter is the only Easter. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 86044601 United States 03/20/2024 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can anyone tell me why chat GTP can’t get the date of Easter right for 2024? Go in an ask it yourself. I got April 7 and April 21, but the calendar says it March 31. I saw someone mention in another thread they messed with the Easter dates this year, but can’t find any thread about it. What’s going on? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86044601 If you're asking Chat GPT 3.5 it's last update was in Jan 22, and Open AI did not provide it with an internal calendar. You have to tell it the current date and that the year is 2024. Well, I let it know today was Wednesday, March 20, 2024, and it still can’t tell me the correct date of Easter. |
galvanic User ID: 81488613 United States 03/20/2024 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | - from the Book of Common Prayer of the Episcopal Church The full moon this month is on March 25, so the First Sunday after is on March 31 - Easter Sunday, 2024. Last Edited by galvanic on 03/20/2024 11:57 AM galvanic |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 86044601 United States 03/20/2024 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can anyone tell me why chat GTP can’t get the date of Easter right for 2024? Go in an ask it yourself. I got April 7 and April 21, but the calendar says it March 31. I saw someone mention in another thread they messed with the Easter dates this year, but can’t find any thread about it. What’s going on? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86044601 that's because your white supremacy makes you think White Easter is the only Easter. How bold of you to assume I’m white. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 86044601 United States 03/20/2024 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Easter Day is always the First Sunday after the Full Moon, which happens upon or next after the 21st day of March; and if the Full Moon happen upon a Sunday, Easter Day is the Sunday after. Quoting: galvanic - from the Book of Common Prayer of the Episcopal Church The full moon this month is on March 25, so the First Sunday after is on March 31 - Easter Sunday, 2024. I’ve always been able to google ahead when Easter is ahead of time, Years ahead of time. We have moon charts so you can project when Easter will fall. If it’s an update issue why not give a response saying, I’m sorry but I don’t have that information |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 86044601 United States 03/20/2024 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Easter Day is always the First Sunday after the Full Moon, which happens upon or next after the 21st day of March; and if the Full Moon happen upon a Sunday, Easter Day is the Sunday after. Quoting: galvanic - from the Book of Common Prayer of the Episcopal Church The full moon this month is on March 25, so the First Sunday after is on March 31 - Easter Sunday, 2024. I said: Today is Wednesday, March 20th, 2024. The next full moon is March 25th. What day is Easter in 2024? It said: In 2024, Easter Sunday falls on April 7th. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 86619199 United States 03/20/2024 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | While it should be able to just reference known holiday dates for "nearby years" from its training sources, ...the calculation of certain holidays is quite complicated. Easter seems to be one of the worst. Easter falls on the first Sunday after the Full Moon date [based on mathematical calculations] that falls on or after March 21. If the Full Moon is on a Sunday, Easter is celebrated on the following Sunday. Quoting: WikipediaCalculating accurate full moon (lunar phase) dates alone is quite involved. That is if you want better than +/- 12 hour error (which will roll a day over). It's absolutely infeasible to expect from GPT 4 for arbitrary centuries. See mathematics/astronomy jargon below: The Jet Propulsion Laboratory produces mathematical models for the orbital motions of the Sun, Moon and planets. These are the models that are used to navigate spacecraft such as Voyager, Galileo and Cassini over billions of kilometres to rendezvous with the planets of the outer solar system. Quoting: [link to www.obliquity.com (secure)] These models are used, indirectly, as the basis for the Blue Moon calculator. They are very accurate indeed between the years 1800 and 2100, but like any mathematical models based on real data which contains measurement errors, their accuracy will decrease as the date is extended further into the past or future. In particular, as the Moon slowly spirals away from the Earth, its angular speed is decreasing. This is called tidal deceleration [...] There's another problem: the Earth itself, whose rate of rotation is not constant. Models of the orbital motion of the Sun and Moon use a timescale called Dynamical Time, but civil timescales based on Greenwich Mean Time are defined in terms of the Earth's rotation. The Earth is slowing down, like an old-fashioned clock that needs to be wound up. As a result, GMT and Dynamical Time are drifting apart. Even if you give it that specific definition of the calculation of Easter it would need to have tables of Full Moon dates in its dataset covering the desired years, and even then it's probably a crapshoot whether it would accurately predict Easter... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 86044601 United States 03/20/2024 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | While it should be able to just reference known holiday dates for "nearby years" from its training sources, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86619199 ...the calculation of certain holidays is quite complicated. Easter seems to be one of the worst. Easter falls on the first Sunday after the Full Moon date [based on mathematical calculations] that falls on or after March 21. If the Full Moon is on a Sunday, Easter is celebrated on the following Sunday. Quoting: WikipediaCalculating accurate full moon (lunar phase) dates alone is quite involved. That is if you want better than +/- 12 hour error (which will roll a day over). It's absolutely infeasible to expect from GPT 4 for arbitrary centuries. See mathematics/astronomy jargon below: The Jet Propulsion Laboratory produces mathematical models for the orbital motions of the Sun, Moon and planets. These are the models that are used to navigate spacecraft such as Voyager, Galileo and Cassini over billions of kilometres to rendezvous with the planets of the outer solar system. Quoting: [link to www.obliquity.com (secure)] These models are used, indirectly, as the basis for the Blue Moon calculator. They are very accurate indeed between the years 1800 and 2100, but like any mathematical models based on real data which contains measurement errors, their accuracy will decrease as the date is extended further into the past or future. In particular, as the Moon slowly spirals away from the Earth, its angular speed is decreasing. This is called tidal deceleration [...] There's another problem: the Earth itself, whose rate of rotation is not constant. Models of the orbital motion of the Sun and Moon use a timescale called Dynamical Time, but civil timescales based on Greenwich Mean Time are defined in terms of the Earth's rotation. The Earth is slowing down, like an old-fashioned clock that needs to be wound up. As a result, GMT and Dynamical Time are drifting apart. Even if you give it that specific definition of the calculation of Easter it would need to have tables of Full Moon dates in its dataset covering the desired years, and even then it's probably a crapshoot whether it would accurately predict Easter... Then why does GTP not say so, but instead gives false information? Why can Google give me the Easter date for 2056? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 86619199 United States 03/20/2024 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | While it should be able to just reference known holiday dates for "nearby years" from its training sources, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86619199 ...the calculation of certain holidays is quite complicated. Easter seems to be one of the worst. Easter falls on the first Sunday after the Full Moon date [based on mathematical calculations] that falls on or after March 21. If the Full Moon is on a Sunday, Easter is celebrated on the following Sunday. Quoting: WikipediaCalculating accurate full moon (lunar phase) dates alone is quite involved. That is if you want better than +/- 12 hour error (which will roll a day over). It's absolutely infeasible to expect from GPT 4 for arbitrary centuries. See mathematics/astronomy jargon below: The Jet Propulsion Laboratory produces mathematical models for the orbital motions of the Sun, Moon and planets. These are the models that are used to navigate spacecraft such as Voyager, Galileo and Cassini over billions of kilometres to rendezvous with the planets of the outer solar system. Quoting: [link to www.obliquity.com (secure)] These models are used, indirectly, as the basis for the Blue Moon calculator. They are very accurate indeed between the years 1800 and 2100, but like any mathematical models based on real data which contains measurement errors, their accuracy will decrease as the date is extended further into the past or future. In particular, as the Moon slowly spirals away from the Earth, its angular speed is decreasing. This is called tidal deceleration [...] There's another problem: the Earth itself, whose rate of rotation is not constant. Models of the orbital motion of the Sun and Moon use a timescale called Dynamical Time, but civil timescales based on Greenwich Mean Time are defined in terms of the Earth's rotation. The Earth is slowing down, like an old-fashioned clock that needs to be wound up. As a result, GMT and Dynamical Time are drifting apart. Even if you give it that specific definition of the calculation of Easter it would need to have tables of Full Moon dates in its dataset covering the desired years, and even then it's probably a crapshoot whether it would accurately predict Easter... Then why does GTP not say so, but instead gives false information? Why can Google give me the Easter date for 2056? Because Google knows everyone wants to know holiday dates for arbitrary years, so they've manually added a state-of-the-art calculation directly into Google's "quick answer" system. ChatGPT, on the other hand, is a generalized knowledge system that can be guided by its training data but cannot reliably execute specific algorithms. It's just a weakness of AI in its current evolution... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 86619199 United States 03/20/2024 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, AI [in its current evolution] is trained only to give answers that "look and sound believable" according to its training data, not answers that are truthful. It's a subtle difference in many cases. Sometimes it's fatal. For math, science, even basic facts. That's the constant warning about AI "hallucinating" facts. You kind of have to be an expert already in the field you're asking it about to ensure you're not going to be misled. Apparently few people realize that, and that's pretty dangerous... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75456508 United States 03/20/2024 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can anyone tell me why chat GTP can’t get the date of Easter right for 2024? Go in an ask it yourself. I got April 7 and April 21, but the calendar says it March 31. I saw someone mention in another thread they messed with the Easter dates this year, but can’t find any thread about it. What’s going on? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86044601 If you're asking Chat GPT 3.5 it's last update was in Jan 22, and Open AI did not provide it with an internal calendar. You have to tell it the current date and that the year is 2024. You'd think A1 would know what the fuckin date is. Not very intelligent this A1 shit. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 86619199 United States 03/20/2024 12:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, AI [in its current evolution] is trained only to give answers that "look and sound believable" according to its training data, not answers that are truthful. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86619199 It's a subtle difference in many cases. Sometimes it's fatal. For math, science, even basic facts. That's the constant warning about AI "hallucinating" facts. You kind of have to be an expert already in the field you're asking it about to ensure you're not going to be misled. Apparently few people realize that, and that's pretty dangerous... Here you go, OP: When ChatGPT is confidently wrong (or my title: How ChatGPT lies to you) [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Ethically, this should be a required lesson for anyone using these AI text models. :p |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 86619199 United States 03/20/2024 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, AI [in its current evolution] is trained only to give answers that "look and sound believable" according to its training data, not answers that are truthful. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86619199 It's a subtle difference in many cases. Sometimes it's fatal. For math, science, even basic facts. That's the constant warning about AI "hallucinating" facts. You kind of have to be an expert already in the field you're asking it about to ensure you're not going to be misled. Apparently few people realize that, and that's pretty dangerous... Here you go, OP: When ChatGPT is confidently wrong (or my title: How ChatGPT lies to you) [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Ethically, this should be a required lesson for anyone using these AI text models. :p What makes it so deceptive is that it's just like a sociopath. If you catch it in a lie, it may 'sincerely' apologize and then weave an even more convincing lie. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69749261 United States 03/20/2024 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, AI [in its current evolution] is trained only to give answers that "look and sound believable" according to its training data, not answers that are truthful. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86619199 It's a subtle difference in many cases. Sometimes it's fatal. For math, science, even basic facts. That's the constant warning about AI "hallucinating" facts. You kind of have to be an expert already in the field you're asking it about to ensure you're not going to be misled. Apparently few people realize that, and that's pretty dangerous... Here you go, OP: When ChatGPT is confidently wrong (or my title: How ChatGPT lies to you) [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Ethically, this should be a required lesson for anyone using these AI text models. :p Thank you, I will for sure check out this video when I get home! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69749261 United States 03/20/2024 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, AI [in its current evolution] is trained only to give answers that "look and sound believable" according to its training data, not answers that are truthful. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86619199 It's a subtle difference in many cases. Sometimes it's fatal. For math, science, even basic facts. That's the constant warning about AI "hallucinating" facts. You kind of have to be an expert already in the field you're asking it about to ensure you're not going to be misled. Apparently few people realize that, and that's pretty dangerous... Here you go, OP: When ChatGPT is confidently wrong (or my title: How ChatGPT lies to you) [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Ethically, this should be a required lesson for anyone using these AI text models. :p Thank you, I will for sure check out this video when I get home! I couldn’t wait, I watched it and just wow…. Makes the shit pretty worthless if all it does is make up answers. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 86619199 United States 03/20/2024 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, AI [in its current evolution] is trained only to give answers that "look and sound believable" according to its training data, not answers that are truthful. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86619199 It's a subtle difference in many cases. Sometimes it's fatal. For math, science, even basic facts. That's the constant warning about AI "hallucinating" facts. You kind of have to be an expert already in the field you're asking it about to ensure you're not going to be misled. Apparently few people realize that, and that's pretty dangerous... Here you go, OP: When ChatGPT is confidently wrong (or my title: How ChatGPT lies to you) [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Ethically, this should be a required lesson for anyone using these AI text models. :p Thank you, I will for sure check out this video when I get home! I couldn’t wait, I watched it and just wow…. Makes the shit pretty worthless if all it does is make up answers. Well, it can be fun for story writing. ;_; And GPT 4 has improved a lot in accuracy - just like the image generators have improved. But it's not perfect, and that % chance it's hallucinating eventually shoots you in the foot.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71199435 United States 03/20/2024 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can anyone tell me why chat GTP can’t get the date of Easter right for 2024? Go in an ask it yourself. I got April 7 and April 21, but the calendar says it March 31. I saw someone mention in another thread they messed with the Easter dates this year, but can’t find any thread about it. What’s going on? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86044601 It is March 31, you fucking dip shit |
Norske_in_Merika User ID: 51641281 United States 03/20/2024 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is strange because I was watching a video over the weekend about all the strange events surrounding the upcoming eclipse and in that video, the presenter stated that the eclipse happens the day after Easter. I had to go check my calendar to make sure I'm not missing something. I found it odd |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75456508 United States 03/20/2024 08:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can anyone tell me why chat GTP can’t get the date of Easter right for 2024? Go in an ask it yourself. I got April 7 and April 21, but the calendar says it March 31. I saw someone mention in another thread they messed with the Easter dates this year, but can’t find any thread about it. What’s going on? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86044601 It is March 31, you fucking dip shit That's what he's sayin dumbass. |