*** PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION *** SEPARATION of CHURCH and STATE .... DO we really have it ? Was it designed this way?

I WELCOME any and all debate on this of an opposing view ... I DO NOT THINK any of you of an opposing viewpoint that can beat me in an intellectual debate on the subject at all ... I await the AD Hominem attacks but would prefer real debate form intelectuals......

I believe in SEVERAL TRUTHS in relation to this topic:

1.) Christianity has been intentionally stamped out at every possible turn for over the past 60 years in AMerica..

2.) I believe and feel I CAN PROVE our framers did not intend or envision an AMERICA WITHOUT CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES GUIDING HER JOURNEY...

3.) I BELEIVE THAT THE US HAS TURNED INTO A JUDICIALOCRACY
with the unelected federal and state judges determining
our path instead of we the people

4.) I BELEIVE THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE was and IS BAD CASE LAW AS IT HAS BEEN INTERPRETED THE LAST 60 years and furthermore it is being used as a tool to actually build upon the REAL INTENDED AND DESIRED RELIGION OF THE STATE ....

THE WORDS SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE are neither in our Declaration of Independence or our constitution - MOST DONT EVEN KNOW THIS!!! if our founders wanted it in there they would have PUT IT IN THERE !!!! PERIOD END OF DISCUSSION!!

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THAT RELIGION IS IRRELIGION .... which IMHO WILL help lead to a bastardization of some SOCIAL FASCIST CORPORATE state that ultimately tries to enslave us all and destroy our entire constitution....


THE RELIGION OF IRRELIGION HAS ROOTED ITSELF DEEP in our society now .... and for this religion being shoved down everyone's throat there is no separation of church and state ...


Irreligion is a lack of religion, indifference to religion, or hostility to religion. Depending on the context, it may be understood as referring to atheism, deism, agnosticism, skepticism, freethought, or secular humanism.

Irreligious people may have convictions equal in depth to those of religious adherents. For instance, followers of the life stance of Humanism regard themselves as just as deeply believing in their life stance as corresponding to any religious belief.



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"Separation of church and state" is a common metaphor that is well recognized. Equally well recognized is the metaphorical meaning of the church staying out of the state's business and the state staying out of the church's business. Because of the very common usage of the "separation of church and state phrase," most people incorrectly think the phrase is in the constitution. The phrase "wall of separation between the church and the state" was originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802. His purpose in this letter was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists, and so he told them that this wall had been erected to protect them. The metaphor was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church's business, not to keep the church out of the state's business.


The constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.


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The "Separation of Church and State" metaphor blurs the distinction between a doctrinal religion and a denominational religion. This places the doctrinal religion we have embraced in the same basket as an organized denominational religion with potential to merge with the state. The documentary evidence of the doctrinal Christian religion origin of this nation is voluminous. The Supreme Court thoroughly studied this issue, and in 1892 gave what is known as the Trinity Decision. In that decision the Supreme Court declared, "this is a Christian nation." John Quincy Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was, it connected in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." The founders were definitely Christian for the most part. At least 90 to 95 percentage of them were practicing, Trinitarian Christians. This and the additional supporting evidence below show conclusively that the concern that motivated the framers to include the establishment clause in the constitution was definitely not fear of the doctrinal religion of Christian Theism. It was understood that Christian Theism was the default state doctrinal religion. As opposed to being something to fear, it was something believed to be vital to the success of our government. Consequently, the framers feared a state denominational religion not a state doctrinal religion! Some additional evidences that indicate Christian Theism was the national doctrinal religion are listed below:

Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words "In God We Trust."

The Supreme Court building built in the 1930's has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments.

God is mentioned in stone all over Washington D.C., on its monuments and buildings.

As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior's birth for centuries.

Oaths in courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.
The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.

Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.

Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.
Each president was sworn in on the Bible, saying the words, "So help me God."

Our national anthem mentions God.

The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.

The original constitution of all 50 states mentions God.
Chaplains have been in the public payroll from the very beginning.

Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.

The Bible was used as a textbook in the schools.

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