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The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?

 
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The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
I have to say that when I try to imagine a god that is a conscious being that created an unbelievably vast universe, and maintains it to the extent that he-she-it knows every leaf on every tree,every grain of sand on every beach,every atom of hydrogen on every gas planet, I have to say that it doesn't seem possible.

But I wonder how this physical universe emerged from nothingness. If there was nothing everywhere, how did anything spring into being?

This is the question that I wish someone could answer. Help me out you science guys.
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I have to say that when I try to imagine a god that is a conscious being that created an unbelievably vast universe, and maintains it to the extent that he-she-it knows every leaf on every tree,every grain of sand on every beach,every atom of hydrogen on every gas planet, I have to say that it doesn't seem possible.

But I wonder how this physical universe emerged from nothingness. If there was nothing everywhere, how did anything spring into being?

This is the question that I wish someone could answer. Help me out you science guys.
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The infinite is only an illusion of our shared limited samples of perception, moment by moment.
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
Honestly, no one knows yet. There are theories such as M-theory, but it is largely untestable. At this time, we just do not have the ability to investigate it very much.
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
i find that it helps some if they think of it in another term, like the Great Spirit, or the ONE, the Collective Consciousness


when you understand that consciousness is that which holds all vibrations to the correct frequency to sustain matter/this reality, it all makes a lot more sense where it all came from...

except for that first vibration, of course...


oh, the mysteries of life!
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
It is impossible to get “matter” from nothing.

Yet we cannot deny we exist or perceive ourselves to exist. So, it logically follows that there must be a way that matter can "seem to be" without actually being there.

Matter does not exist, cannot exist.

The world is made of binary patterns within binary patterns within binary patterns.

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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
I have to say that when I try to imagine a god that is a conscious being that created an unbelievably vast universe, and maintains it to the extent that he-she-it knows every leaf on every tree,every grain of sand on every beach,every atom of hydrogen on every gas planet, I have to say that it doesn't seem possible.

But I wonder how this physical universe emerged from nothingness. If there was nothing everywhere, how did anything spring into being?

This is the question that I wish someone could answer. Help me out you science guys.
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There was never nothing, peoples minds just cant grasp the concept of infinity very well.
The snake eating its self is a decent simple representation of whats going on.
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
if the universe (all the energy that exist) hasn't end, in time and space. then is very likelly that it hasn't principle too.
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
i agree us being proves that there could had never been a time that there was nothing; no energy, no atoms, no quarks, waves etc. Something cannot not come out of nothing so there has to be something out there that always was in which everything else could come out of. not only that there has to be at least two of these things that always was because in order for something to happen there has to be two things to interact for there to be something to happen. Now if u think humans can evolve into a sentient being from a starting point that, lets says, takes 200,000 million years imagine something that does not have a starting point but has infinite time to become whatever and is not constrained by the rules of probability because since anything that is probable it will become because it has infinite time. Now lets say there are two sentient beings who had infinite time to evolve...they are what they are, the are the "embodiment" fullest potential of what there is and what can happen. They would both know all knowledge, the would not be constrained by time so they know future and all its possibilities so they both in essence would be ONE. one could not say to the other, "i disagree i think it works like this" or "I dont agree with you i think this will happen". They would always agree with each other because both know everything so even though they are both two separate distinct beings they would be ONE in will and thought. These beings to me are God or Gods who always were and are one in will not like the Greek mythology portrays. i dont know...just my theory.
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
Your looking at it from philosophical outlook.

Better to think that life creates physics rather than physic creates life.
Personally I can't imagine nothing but only a infinite amount of subdivided singular points.[1 point within a point]

A 1 dimensional viewpoint I am happy with.

But science will soon be creating instruments that will detect the data that physicists demand for math proof..

[link to www.newscientist.com]

What they will be detecting is the holographic background noise.

Which they will interpret as a 2D source structure.

With proper instruments they can map out a type of hyperspace model.
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
I have to say that when I try to imagine a god that is a conscious being that created an unbelievably vast universe, and maintains it to the extent that he-she-it knows every leaf on every tree,every grain of sand on every beach,every atom of hydrogen on every gas planet, I have to say that it doesn't seem possible.

But I wonder how this physical universe emerged from nothingness. If there was nothing everywhere, how did anything spring into being?

This is the question that I wish someone could answer. Help me out you science guys.
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I've got your answer...

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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
As a finite mortal creature you certainly can be excused for artificially imposing such finite conditions on our universe.

But -- who said that it DID emerge from nothing? Perhaps it has always existed. Certainly nothing precludes that possibility, yet certain minds balk at the concept.
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
Let's ask the aliens. It'll be quicker than finding out ourselves.
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
I have to say that when I try to imagine a god that is a conscious being that created an unbelievably vast universe, and maintains it to the extent that he-she-it knows every leaf on every tree,every grain of sand on every beach,every atom of hydrogen on every gas planet, I have to say that it doesn't seem possible.

But I wonder how this physical universe emerged from nothingness. If there was nothing everywhere, how did anything spring into being?

This is the question that I wish someone could answer. Help me out you science guys.
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Us humans have been conditioned to think in linear time. In order for something to "emerge", that would mean there was a beginning. There is no beginning or end.... Just IS...

When you realize we are just part of one big circle the less you will fear death...
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
Is it possible that the universe has always existed, a universe with an amazingly precise structure?

I find that such precision suggests that it could not be anything than a conscious design.

But I know I could be wrong.
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
The great thing about science is that it removes ego - simpley put "god did it and we know this" comes form human ego needing to be sure and right, so they follow that. Rational thought says "we don't know and are willing to keep trying to figure it out".

What has religion gotten us? Wars and intolerance. Science has gotten us further but when ever you mix in human greed it causes problems. Take the sence of humility HONEST religious people have and the willingness to question of science and we might actually get somewhere.
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
There is a God, OP. "The fool hath said in his heart there is no god." Study the scriptures. They are the truth, preserved through the centuries as God's revelation of His Son Jesus Christ to mankind. That precious book is a perfect guide, it is truth, and nothing else in our world but the Good Book can satisfy the longings of the human heart and mind.

Only those who have been diligent students of the word will triumph over the final crisis now rapidly approaching. The Bible is our safeguard. The word of God is the only thing in our world we can depend on. Everything else will fail, but the word of God is forever.

When inquirers came to Jesus, He said, "How readst thou?" and "What saith the scriptures?" The Savior Himself resisted Satan with Scripture, saying, "Get the hence, Satan, It is written, thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and Him only shalt thou worship."

Jesus counseled us, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

"There is nothing more calculated to energize the mind, and strengthen the intellect, than the study of the word of God. No other book is so potent to elevate the thoughts, to give vigor to the faculties, as the broad enobling truths of the Bible. If God's word were studied as it should be men would have a breadth of mind, a nobility of character, and a stability of purpose, that is rarely seen in these times."
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
Here's a true account, from a book, Patriarchs and Prophets:

"By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth." "For He spake, and it was;" "He commanded, and it stood fast." Psalm 33:6, 9. He "laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed forever." Psalm 104:5.

As the earth came forth from the hand of its Maker, it was exceedingly beautiful. Its surface was diversified with mountains, hills, and plains, interspersed with noble rivers and lovely lakes; but the hills and mountains were not abrupt and rugged, abounding in terrific steeps and frightful chasms, as they now do; the sharp, ragged edges of earth's rocky framework were buried beneath the fruitful soil, which everywhere produced a luxuriant growth of verdure. There were no loathsome swamps or barren deserts. Graceful shrubs and delicate flowers greeted the eye at every turn. The heights were crowned with trees more majestic than any that now exist. The air, untainted by foul miasma, was clear and healthful. The entire landscape outvied in beauty the decorated grounds of the proudest palace. The angelic host viewed the scene with delight, and rejoiced at the wonderful works of God.

After the earth with its teeming animal and vegetable life had been called into existence, man, the crowning work of the Creator, and the one for whom the beautiful earth had been fitted up, was brought upon the stage of action. To him was given dominion over all that his eye could behold; for "God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over . . . all the earth. . . . So God created man in His own image; . . . male and female created He them." Here is clearly set forth the origin of the human race; and the divine record is so plainly stated that there is no occasion for erroneous
conclusions. God created man in His own image. Here is no mystery. There is no ground for the supposition that man was evolved by slow degrees of development from the lower forms of animal or vegetable life. Such teaching lowers the great work of the Creator to the level of man's narrow, earthly conceptions. Men are so intent upon excluding God from the sovereignty of the universe that they degrade man and defraud him of the dignity of his origin. He who set the starry worlds on high and tinted with delicate skill the flowers of the field, who filled the earth and the heavens with the wonders of His power, when He came to crown His glorious work, to place one in the midst to stand as ruler of the fair earth, did not fail to create a being worthy of the hand that gave him life. The genealogy of our race, as given by inspiration, traces back its origin, not to a line of developing germs, mollusks, and quadrupeds, but to the great Creator. Though formed from the dust, Adam was "the son of God."

He was placed, as God's representative, over the lower orders of being. They cannot understand or acknowledge the sovereignty of God, yet they were made capable of loving and serving man. The psalmist says, "Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of Thy hands; Thou hast put all things under his feet: . . . the beasts of the field; the fowl of the air, . . . and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas." Psalm 8:6-8.

Man was to bear God's image, both in outward resemblance and in character. Christ alone is "the express image" (Hebrews 1:3) of the Father; but man was formed in the likeness of God. His nature was in harmony with the will of God. His mind was capable of comprehending divine things. His affections were pure; his appetites and passions were under the control of reason. He was holy and happy in bearing the image of God and in perfect obedience to His will.

As man came forth from the hand of his Creator, he was of lofty stature and perfect symmetry. His countenance bore the ruddy tint of health and glowed with the light of life and joy. Adam's height was much greater than that of men who now inhabit the earth. Eve was somewhat less in stature; yet her form was noble, and full of beauty. The sinless pair wore no artificial garments; they were clothed with a covering of light and glory, such as the angels wear. So long as they lived in obedience to God, this robe of light continued to enshroud them.
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
love this quote from above

"There is no ground for the supposition that man was evolved by slow degrees of development from the lower forms of animal or vegetable life. Such teaching lowers the great work of the Creator to the level of man's narrow, earthly conceptions. Men are so intent upon excluding God from the sovereignty of the universe that they degrade man and defraud him of the dignity of his origin."
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
I have to say that when I try to imagine a god that is a conscious being that created an unbelievably vast universe, and maintains it to the extent that he-she-it knows every leaf on every tree,every grain of sand on every beach,every atom of hydrogen on every gas planet, I have to say that it doesn't seem possible.

But I wonder how this physical universe emerged from nothingness. If there was nothing everywhere, how did anything spring into being?

This is the question that I wish someone could answer. Help me out you science guys.
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Intellectually trying to grasp something so profound and try to wrap your mind around it is so distant when you experience it. That is when you will know and realize deep inside that your mind miserabely fails you as you try to search for words to describe it.
That is also the moment that you realize how limited your mind is and how it has ran away with you..
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Re: The idea of a being god is ridiculous, but how did the physical universe emerge from nothing?
I prefer the repeating cycle theory. It means there is eternity. The universe expands from its big bang, then shrinks under gravity, to again become a singularity, which explodes in a big bang, over and over forever.
I can also accept that at each of these big bangs a multiverse is created, so there is a multitude of universes expanding and contracting over immeasurable time. Time itself is continually recreated.
That does for me, no need for some omnipotent being or force. It is not guided it just is. And we play a microscopic part of the process. Unimportant to any one but ourselves.
So to answer your question briefly, the universe has never been and will never be nothing. Impossible logically, like Gods.

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