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burkettgirl  User ID: 470701 United States06/13/2009 10:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obviously not from the horse's mouth, but some horse's ass. Here's the nitty-gritty that they avoid, burkettgirl. You probably know it already and were just being nice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 635023from [link to www.zetatalk.com] "Another favorite debunk is in fact a distraction, which I call the dead dog distraction. One can hardly find a recent posting about ZetaTalk where the dead dog issue does not come up. The basis of this distraction is a live radio show in LA, morning radio where brevity is the rule as the whole interview takes about 20 minutes. A caller asked about what one should do with pets, during the pole shift, as starvation was to be an issue afterwards. Zeta answer, put them to sleep unless you want to watch them starve. I, Nancy, stated that I had recently put an 18 month old German Shepherd to sleep, and felt this was not being cruel to a pet to do so. Apparently, the debunkers assume that the public would be SO offended at this statement that ZetaTalk itself would be put to dead. Nothing of the sort has happened, but the life of this dead dog is astonishing. During an interview on WakeupUSA in 2004, 3 of 26 questions posed were about the dead dog issue. CALLER: Why did you kill your dog? NANCY: Actually, ZetaTalk has been the subject of a great disinformation campaign, a hate campaign, every since it emerged in 1995 people have either loved it or hated it, and that's run about 50/50, my email runs like that. And there's been many organized campaigns to try to discredit ZetaTalk. It has an extremely high accuracy track record. This is one of the reasons for its success. I have never spammed email, gone out and promoted myself, called up and said 'oh please, please, have me on your show'. It has come to me. This is a bit astonishing because it is know around the world, there are very few countries I don't get email from. I hear that I've appeared in magazines in Australia or Germany. All that translation on my website is done by volunteers. This is because people say it has the ring of truth, brings things together, gives explanations to puzzles, and is so logical. So therefore, it's highly popular. It is giving out a message that the establishment, the people who are the bankers, the heads of government, organized religion, don't want you to hear. That we are going to have cataclysmic changes in our near future. That the governments know about this and are not informing you. That the alien presence is real and this is not something you need to fear and here's how you work with it, you are in control. These are messages they don't want out, so therefore there's a campaign to smear me, and smear ZetaTalk. One of them is the silliest thing. I had a German Shepherd pup that I put to sleep at 18 months at the advice of the vet because he had been under socialized in the kennel and he was likely to attack people. He was already diving through windows when children rode by on their bikes. We were terrified he was going to bite a child. Someone asked me on live radio what the Zetas recommendation would be for people who had pets going into a pole shift. Starvation is expected to be rampant. 90% of the population is expected to die, not just from starvation, from injury, illness, depression, but starvation will be rampant. And their answer was, how are you going to feed that pet when your neighbor's child is starving? So our recommendation is, when you see the pole shift coming, and its imminent and there's no question, take it to the vet and put it to sleep. It's painless. Otherwise you're going to be starving your pet, if that's your choice, fine. And that got twisted around to Nancy Lieder the puppy killer. I kid you not, and that's my answer. It is a serious problem, and particularly with dogs, and that's not the reason we put this dog to sleep. He slept with us and ate at our table and sat on my lap, all 120 lbs of him, and watched TV, and we cried and he died in my arms, but he was going to bite somebody and probably a child and we just couldn't have it." Ignore the haters and have a good night. The first time that I heard that story about the puppy I looked up Ms. Lieder's explanation. It made sense to me. I have never made a decision based on anything I've read or heard here on the internet. I do research and consider many things. When I asked the other poster for his source I was preparing to respond to his utterly false claim. I have posted my thoughts on the absurd "puppy killing" claim before. It simply amazes me how some people allow themselves to be fed false information about this matter, when they could just read Ms. Lieder's explanation. Last Edited by burkettgirl on 06/15/2009 05:05 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 695113  United Kingdom06/13/2009 10:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SOZT Quoting: Whee! 8D (Quebec)What do this joker say about the appearance of Planet X on SOHO and LASCO, [link to www.zetatalk.com] complete with tail? This too would be dismissed, as those individuals who buy into the cover-up are afraid of the truth. It scares them, and all such individuals bray denial [link to www.zetatalk.com] more intensely as the truth is upon them. It is a matter of backbone and independence, not intelligence or education. These types cling to authority like a parent, and will be the first to be found hiding under the bed when Planet X is obvious in the skies. EOZT This funny clown cannot explain why "it shows" no more than an hour at time on SOHO and LASCO. See, isn't that weird that NOTHING can ever be seen on the shots taken right before and right after the one that shows the "thing", and that the "thing" happens to show up JUST as the telescopes are taking the pictures? Explain that we cannot see the "thing" constantly on EVERY shot taken by SOHO and LASCO? From your link : This winged globe make an appearance on the SOHO C3 images on March 27, 2009 at 3:18 UTC. Neither the earlier nor later images had the winged globe at the 4 o'clock position, so it was a rare catch, but unmistakable. Right so if it moves so quickly, care to explain why it can be seen at only "certain times" during the day? Oh also.... the thing is smaller than Mercury.... so how come is it possible to be seen with naked eye? Debunkers, under the guise of presenting truth seem to really fear Nancy, given all the time and energy they spend on her and her ideas be they flawed or nay. Is it the message, or her perceived insanity they fear? A logical person knows if a person is a crackpot and posting on the internet, you ignore them and they go away. When you fight, piss and moan, all you do is give them more credence in the eyes of those who believe and in the eyes of many on the fence.  |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 695113 United Kingdom06/13/2009 10:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If what you are telling is real, there is no reason for debunkers to debunk, since it's real. HOWEVER, if what you are saying is NOT real, then debunkers have ALL THE REASONS to expose your bunk. Quoting: Whee! 8D (Quebec)Beyond the professional debunker... there are those so in the grip of fear and insecurity (Whee! 8D for example) that they attack the message for no other reason. The message is, in short, unthinkable. Life, for humans on Earth, is highly insecure in the best of times. Even with the best that modern medicine can provide, most illness is not curable and palliative measure only provided. Lightning can strike anytime, any place, and neither prayers or bribes make a difference. Meteors and fireballs from the sky are erratic, and despite man’s best efforts at prediction earthquakes strike without warning, dropping buildings and bridges. Then there are all the reassurances from employers and governments and insurers that pension funds, savings, home ownership and assets, all are solidly there and will be replaced should any event remove them. Yet employers go bankrupt, governments go bankrupt and change their rules or default on their promises, and insurance companies default. Loyalty from friends and family also cannot be relied upon solidly, as the divorce rate and domestic violence statistics show. Friends are supportive only while this friendship aligns with their life circumstances, and the friendship dropped when it becomes inconvenient. Thus, despite man’s best efforts to make himself secure, he is, in essence, standing naked in the cold rain, alone. |
| burkettgirl User ID: 470701 United States06/13/2009 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Mad1, I was about to log off and go to bed when I saw your post. Got a minute? Quoting: burkettgirlI just wanted to tell you I agree with you on many subjects. I read your remarks on the "Is It True That Most People Who Are Prochoice.." thread. Also, enjoyed your thread about GLP and the KKK. I'm amazed at how much racial prejudice exists here on GLP, but that's probably a reflection of our society. In any case, it was troubling how many people attacked you on the KKK and GLP thread. I saved that to reread later, since I was in a hurry to leave. Someday I owe you an apology for something that may make you laugh. I also want to tease you about a comment you made on another thread. However, I don't know if you have a sense of humor, considering you are the Mad 1! It was good that you revealed that you are 47. Compared to me, you're just a kid. |
| burkettgirl User ID: 470701 United States06/13/2009 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If what you are telling is real, there is no reason for debunkers to debunk, since it's real. HOWEVER, if what you are saying is NOT real, then debunkers have ALL THE REASONS to expose your bunk. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 695113Beyond the professional debunker... there are those so in the grip of fear and insecurity (Whee! 8D for example) that they attack the message for no other reason. The message is, in short, unthinkable. Life, for humans on Earth, is highly insecure in the best of times. Even with the best that modern medicine can provide, most illness is not curable and palliative measure only provided. Lightning can strike anytime, any place, and neither prayers or bribes make a difference. Meteors and fireballs from the sky are erratic, and despite man’s best efforts at prediction earthquakes strike without warning, dropping buildings and bridges. Then there are all the reassurances from employers and governments and insurers that pension funds, savings, home ownership and assets, all are solidly there and will be replaced should any event remove them. Yet employers go bankrupt, governments go bankrupt and change their rules or default on their promises, and insurance companies default. Loyalty from friends and family also cannot be relied upon solidly, as the divorce rate and domestic violence statistics show. Friends are supportive only while this friendship aligns with their life circumstances, and the friendship dropped when it becomes inconvenient. Thus, despite man’s best efforts to make himself secure, he is, in essence, standing naked in the cold rain, alone. How did you get to be so aware? I bet you have a tendency to observe and think about what you have seen and heard? Not like some people who just ignore or blindly accept what happens. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 695113 United Kingdom06/13/2009 11:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I feel that it is in MY best interest to pay attention to this discussion and to pay attention to the various events that are spotlighted by Zetatalk. I'm sixty years old and for DECADES I've noticed strange things which didn't quite make sense. The Zetatalk material has given me CLARITY in many areas. Imagine putting on glasses for the first time and REALLY seeing the world clearly. Compare that to the fuzzy images that you thought were normal before you put on your first pair of glasses. That is how Zetatalk affected me. Quoting: burkettgirlNice burkettgirl!! totally agree the scope of knowledge contained in zetatalk is amazing i think so too. I spend much time reading different things but never do i miss the OPPORTUNITY to come to these zetatalk threads to see what the zetas have to say, say so eloquently i may add, on such a diverse and broad range of topics. i feel that zetatalk gives me a gr8 'birdseye' view of things. thank you Nancy!!  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 695113 United Kingdom06/13/2009 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How did you get to be so aware? I bet you have a tendency to observe and think about what you have seen and heard? Not like some people who just ignore or blindly accept what happens. Quoting: burkettgirlgee burkettgirl i would like take credit for those words above but alas they are not mine :( remember in a prior post you used the word 'clarity' referring to an effect you experience with zetatalk? well, if you reread my post again you should experience the zeta-like clarity you referred to in your post. it is zetatalk i was quoting! link below [link to zetatalk.com] |
| burkettgirl User ID: 470701 United States06/13/2009 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My comment about the glasses and getting clarity from Zetatalk is an image that came to me about a year ago. I had so many puzzle pieces, but I did not have the picture on the box...the overview... until Zetatalk gave me some clarity. Last Edited by burkettgirl on 06/13/2009 11:18 PM |
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| ***ZetaMax*** User ID: 701993 United States06/13/2009 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thought this needed posting Quoting: Free Store*****Debunker Boycott Reminder***** This is not part of the discussion. This is a reminder that the majority of debunkers have agreed to stop posting to Nancy's threads for one month. No amount of taunting or lies about us will force us to post until July 18th. Not all the debunkers have agreed on this but we hope they will. It's only one month, until the chat on July 18th. It is our hope that anyone else who is considered a "debunker" will honor this agreement and let Nancy's threads shrivel for one month. That is all. Thanks to all who participate in this experiment. This is the only form of communication that will be seen from most of us until July 18th. *****Debunker Boycott Reminder***** I was just wondering where the morans had gone! The "debunkers" ...  I wanted to know if you feel as I do that two hour with Nancy is what this thread is all about and with a few messages left on the thread throughout the week to one another with Vids comments and information exchanges Two hours of Nancy is all we really need and not 25 pages of belly aching :mon.e: True - but there is value in having the thread on or near the top page most of the time. Enables newcomers to GLP a chance to see it and check it out. Less of that can happen when the thread is buried. The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
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| ***ZetaMax*** User ID: 701993 United States06/13/2009 11:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm Burkettgirl. I had to answer the phone while typing the reply aboutputting Ms. Lieder's puppy down. I became an AC. due to the length of time I took to post my reply. Quoting: Tmad1See its just like nancy changes the story around to make it look like she was doing something different. read just what she said then in the interview then ask were in it did she once say anything about a vet said the puppy needed to be put down or that it had been under socialized. If you don't beleive this transcript look it up on youtube its on there in her own words. [link to incunabula.org] Nancy Lieder Interview on KROQ, May 16, 2003(?) Transcript from: [link to www.badastronomy.com] Audio file: [link to boss.streamos.com] Interviewer 1: What about the last question for me Nancy, and you are terrific for talking to us today but, what about our listeners who have followed your advice and taken their dogs to Puppy Lake because of the impending collapse of America? What happens to them now? Nancy: The puppies, the puppies didn't think that anything worse was happening to them than getting their annual rabies shot, and it didn't feel any different to them. Interviewer 1: So they are in a happy place now? Ok? Nancy: Yeah I mean they are in a happy place. I suspect there is a nice place in Puppy Heaven for those puppies. Interviewer 2: Was that really your advice? (laughter from radio people, one woman in the studio says "I don't remember it?") Interviewer 2: You weren't really advising people to drown their dogs were you? Nancy: Yeah... Interviewer 2: You were? Nancy: (stuttering) Yeah, well, (stuttering) and, and well the fact is they are gonna starve and be injured... Interviewer 1: Nancy....? (in disbelief) Nancy: .....and they'll be in a worse situation.... Or eaten. Interviewer 1: What if you are wrong though and someone has killed their dog though? Nancy: (pause) I love dogs... you have to know.... Interviewer: We can tell that... Nancy: .....when I have a dog, its my lap baby. Even... I have German Shepherds and they sit on my lap. Interviewer 1: Alright... have you killed your dogs? Nancy: (pause) You just take them to the vet and, and they give them a shot... Interviewer 1: Have you done that? Did you do that? Interviewer 2: Ugh.... This has turned ugly! Nancy: Yes, yes, yes... (intelligible astonishment from the Radio people... One women in the studio asks "Did you do that?") Nancy: ... and you sing to them and you stroke their little nose... You know? Interviewer 1: Nancy, how old were your dogs when you took them to put them down? Nancy: Oh, this one was only 18 months...Yeah... Interviewer 1: (Astonished) Oh Nancy! (Laughs in disbelief) What are you doing? Woman: You can go to a safe place, why don't you just take your dogs with you? Nancy: Because what are you going to feed those dogs? (Interviewer laughs) Nancy: What... If there is a food shortage and all your neighbours can't go to the grocery store and they have hunted down the wildlife to nothing, they are gonna.... You know a dog makes a good meal.... Interviewer 1: Oh Nancy!!! (disgusted laugh) Nancy: ... and, and then soon your dog is missing.... Interviewer 1: (mockingly) I was so on board with you baby, until right now! Now Nancy, you.... Im sure that you meet with people every day that think you are just full blown nuts... Nancy: Oh yeah... Interviewer 1: What do you say to them? Nancy: I don't care what you think Im getting the message out, take it or leave it, its your business, its your life. But, I feel sorry for anybody who has small children who's gonna not at least keep an eye out for that day the sun goes down a couple of hours late, you know... Interviewer 2: (sarcastically) Take them to puppy lake, right. Interviewer 1: Alright Nancy we are out of time.... Nancy: (interrupting) You still have time to go to Puppy Heaven, you know, at that point in time.... Interviewer 2: Oh good... Now that's an important point... Nancy: I never said do it now... Interviewer 2: Awww Jeez.... Nancy: .....just do it before the pole shift. Interviewer 1: ZetaTalk.com, Nancy we will talk to you in about a week... Thanks for your time. Nancy: Thank you... bye, bye now. Gee, look at this - a debunker ignoring the boycott. WHAT a surprise! (NOT!) The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
| burkettgirl User ID: 470701 United States06/13/2009 11:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ZetaMax: Do you have a minute? Usually I'm too exhausted to hang around past 9 P.M. my time. I drank some strong tea earlier this evening and now I'm awake. I was shocked not to have the debunkers around. Must have missed the original announcement about the boycott. I left early last week. Can I ask a question or make a comment? |
| Free Store User ID: 143359 Canada06/13/2009 11:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thought this needed posting Quoting: ***ZetaMax********Debunker Boycott Reminder***** This is not part of the discussion. This is a reminder that the majority of debunkers have agreed to stop posting to Nancy's threads for one month. No amount of taunting or lies about us will force us to post until July 18th. Not all the debunkers have agreed on this but we hope they will. It's only one month, until the chat on July 18th. It is our hope that anyone else who is considered a "debunker" will honor this agreement and let Nancy's threads shrivel for one month. That is all. Thanks to all who participate in this experiment. This is the only form of communication that will be seen from most of us until July 18th. *****Debunker Boycott Reminder***** I was just wondering where the morans had gone! The "debunkers" ... I wanted to know if you feel as I do that two hour with Nancy is what this thread is all about and with a few messages left on the thread throughout the week to one another with Vids comments and information exchanges Two hours of Nancy is all we really need and not 25 pages of belly aching :mon.e: True - but there is value in having the thread on or near the top page most of the time. Enables newcomers to GLP a chance to see it and check it out. Less of that can happen when the thread is buried. I see your reasoning about warning and teaching others about the true nature of a spirit within them having the page near the front all the time. I'm surprised you would think of this thread could be buried. Nancy's threads are like atomic bombs, a chain reaction that starts on Saturday nights so A slower pace of quality discloser rather than a flood of belly achers was more what I was referring to and without all the mind controllers trying to change my belief system.. WE are our own selfs we have a brain to decide, right from wrong. The debunkers thread is a good idea so if they don't like what they hear here they can go there truly remarkable idea that I hope continues |
| burkettgirl User ID: 470701 United States06/13/2009 11:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When I first discovered this Live Chat I was surprised by the strong emotions, angry words, and name calling. I quickly adapted. Having so many post as ACs was confusing at first, but I adapted. Having overlapping conversations made me feel somewhat uneasy. I quickly got the hang of it all. I knew I had made some sort of transition, crossed a line or something, when I realized I was damn glad we were NOT all in the same room having a discussion. Can you imagine being in the same room with all the emotionally charged discussions that we've had here? I'm sure there would be black eyes, broken bones, and a few missing teeth. Some of us would end up in jail, waiting for our loved ones to come bail us out AGAIN. We've had all the fun (?) of expressing our opinions, without the blood and mayhem. I learned to appreciate the internet while following Zetatalk. Last Edited by burkettgirl on 06/13/2009 11:52 PM |
| ***ZetaMax*** User ID: 701993 United States06/13/2009 11:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ZetaMax: Do you have a minute? Usually I'm too exhausted to hang around past 9 P.M. my time. I drank some strong tea earlier this evening and now I'm awake. I was shocked not to have the debunkers around. Must have missed the original announcement about the boycott. I left early last week. Can I ask a question or make a comment? Quoting: burkettgirlIf you're still around, sure! The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 695113 United Kingdom06/13/2009 11:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm really curious and somewhat amused by this post that you agree with. You have every right to your opinion and I respect that. But why do you feel dumber? Quoting: burkettgirlmost times the debunkers focus on planet x predictions per the zetas. when they tire of this or fail to get their desired response from their debunking efforts they mostly move onto the dog issue. its always the same burkettgirl, boring they are. so i don't pay debunker much attention because they carry on like a broken record. what troubles me sometimes is when they become hateful. it seem that their ilk is short-fused and quick to resort to character assassination. in truth zetatalk is like a painting. the debunkers always focus in on a very narrow part of the painting that is zetatalk and because of this they miss the point. in this regard i feel sorry for the debunkers burkettgirl because in their fervor for black and white compartmentalization they miss the opportunity to gain any clarity from zetatalk. and that says something about the debunkers mrs burkettgirl... to spend so many hours reading through the zeta material only to come away empty pockets. why would anyone spend that much time in pursuit of nancy? just to make her feel bad? to prove something to those of us who get something from zetatalk? like they think that we all see zetatalk as they do? they fail to appreciate that zetatalk is much more than the sum of its parts. fortunately nancy ignores them and continues to provide insight for those astute enough to see the forrest and not just the individual trees. |
| burkettgirl User ID: 470701 United States06/14/2009 12:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ZetaMax: Do you have a minute? Usually I'm too exhausted to hang around past 9 P.M. my time. I drank some strong tea earlier this evening and now I'm awake. I was shocked not to have the debunkers around. Must have missed the original announcement about the boycott. I left early last week. Can I ask a question or make a comment? Quoting: ***ZetaMax***If you're still around, sure! I just want to thank you for doing what you do...not sure what to call it...but thanks. In any case, it probably seems weird to say this, but I have the debunkers to thank for focusing me on certain areas of Zetatalk. For instance, when the D's (debunkers, when I'm feeling too lazy to type the whole word) tried to say that the Zetas present themselves as Gods, I began to focus on that question as I reviewed the previous material, and the newest. If anything, the Z's have shown time and again that they are Not presenting themselves in that way. There are many examples, but I find myself remembering all the times that the Z's reply, "We don't know." What "God" admits to not knowing when they can pretend to know everything? The Z's have refused to tell people how to respond or how to think, saying instead, "It's your school, it's your choice to make." Last Edited by burkettgirl on 06/14/2009 12:03 AM |
| burkettgirl User ID: 470701 United States06/14/2009 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From time to time, someone tries to say that the Z's or Ms. Lieder are evil or doing the work of the devil. I come from a devout Christian background, as you're probably sick of hearing. My fundamentalist grandmother tended to see things in terms of Good and Evil. Whenever I begin to read anything like Zetatalk, or the Edgar Cayce material, etc., I can't help but filter what I read through that original "Christian" view point. I have never seen anything that even remotely seems to be evil in Zetatalk. However, I can pick up the newspaper or any magazine and see evidence of evil at work in the world. Zetatalk often focuses on the basic beliefs of my childhood, but Zetatalk may just use a different viewpoint. |
| 256 User ID: 654359 United States06/14/2009 12:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm Burkettgirl. I had to answer the phone while typing the reply aboutputting Ms. Lieder's puppy down. I became an AC. due to the length of time I took to post my reply. Quoting: Tmad1See its just like nancy changes the story around to make it look like she was doing something different. read just what she said then in the interview then ask were in it did she once say anything about a vet said the puppy needed to be put down or that it had been under socialized. If you don't beleive this transcript look it up on youtube its on there in her own words. [link to incunabula.org] Nancy Lieder Interview on KROQ, May 16, 2003(?) Transcript from: [link to www.badastronomy.com] Audio file: [link to boss.streamos.com] Interviewer 1: What about the last question for me Nancy, and you are terrific for talking to us today but, what about our listeners who have followed your advice and taken their dogs to Puppy Lake because of the impending collapse of America? What happens to them now? Nancy: The puppies, the puppies didn't think that anything worse was happening to them than getting their annual rabies shot, and it didn't feel any different to them. Interviewer 1: So they are in a happy place now? Ok? Nancy: Yeah I mean they are in a happy place. I suspect there is a nice place in Puppy Heaven for those puppies. Interviewer 2: Was that really your advice? (laughter from radio people, one woman in the studio says "I don't remember it?") Interviewer 2: You weren't really advising people to drown their dogs were you? Nancy: Yeah... Interviewer 2: You were? Nancy: (stuttering) Yeah, well, (stuttering) and, and well the fact is they are gonna starve and be injured... Interviewer 1: Nancy....? (in disbelief) Nancy: .....and they'll be in a worse situation.... Or eaten. Interviewer 1: What if you are wrong though and someone has killed their dog though? Nancy: (pause) I love dogs... you have to know.... Interviewer: We can tell that... Nancy: .....when I have a dog, its my lap baby. Even... I have German Shepherds and they sit on my lap. Interviewer 1: Alright... have you killed your dogs? Nancy: (pause) You just take them to the vet and, and they give them a shot... Interviewer 1: Have you done that? Did you do that? Interviewer 2: Ugh.... This has turned ugly! Nancy: Yes, yes, yes... (intelligible astonishment from the Radio people... One women in the studio asks "Did you do that?") Nancy: ... and you sing to them and you stroke their little nose... You know? Interviewer 1: Nancy, how old were your dogs when you took them to put them down? Nancy: Oh, this one was only 18 months...Yeah... Interviewer 1: (Astonished) Oh Nancy! (Laughs in disbelief) What are you doing? Woman: You can go to a safe place, why don't you just take your dogs with you? Nancy: Because what are you going to feed those dogs? (Interviewer laughs) Nancy: What... If there is a food shortage and all your neighbours can't go to the grocery store and they have hunted down the wildlife to nothing, they are gonna.... You know a dog makes a good meal.... Interviewer 1: Oh Nancy!!! (disgusted laugh) Nancy: ... and, and then soon your dog is missing.... Interviewer 1: (mockingly) I was so on board with you baby, until right now! Now Nancy, you.... Im sure that you meet with people every day that think you are just full blown nuts... Nancy: Oh yeah... Interviewer 1: What do you say to them? Nancy: I don't care what you think Im getting the message out, take it or leave it, its your business, its your life. But, I feel sorry for anybody who has small children who's gonna not at least keep an eye out for that day the sun goes down a couple of hours late, you know... Interviewer 2: (sarcastically) Take them to puppy lake, right. Interviewer 1: Alright Nancy we are out of time.... Nancy: (interrupting) You still have time to go to Puppy Heaven, you know, at that point in time.... Interviewer 2: Oh good... Now that's an important point... Nancy: I never said do it now... Interviewer 2: Awww Jeez.... Nancy: .....just do it before the pole shift. Interviewer 1: ZetaTalk.com, Nancy we will talk to you in about a week... Thanks for your time. Nancy: Thank you... bye, bye now. [link to occasion-to-be.com] Thats what yer lookin for.  |
| Free Store User ID: 143359 Canada06/14/2009 12:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think we are allowed to kill an animal That is all we as humans have ever done since being cave people Thats why it doesn't bother me or others in this respect or the US Army or the SPCA or the farmers and slaughter houses and Hunters My next meal :> Last Edited by four winds on 06/14/2009 12:43 AM |
| burkettgirl User ID: 470701 United States06/14/2009 12:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When I was a child of about nine, my parents moved from the big city (Erie) to a small town. While exploring, I discovered a field of rusting barrels. I was cautious, but curious. Didn't touch anything, but I walked around just looking. I was shocked to see evidence that many barrels had rusted completely away, and I wondered about the contents and where it had gone. Eventually, I learned that the barrels contained fluids from vehicles. The trucks that carried the newer barrels drove past my family's property almost weekly. We did not use well water. Our water came in pipes from a local reservoir. Shortly after discovering that dumping ground, my grandfather taught me about the water table and other related topics. He lived many miles from any dumping area and knew that his pond and well were safe. However, while living there, a mile or so from the dump, I visited often to see the progress of the rusting process. This experience, plus my grandfather's knowledge of water tables and drilling, led to a lifelong interest in pollution. Every article that concerned pollution got my attention. Think about all the reports of pollution here in the U.S. and around the world. Think about all the attempts of the major polluters to minimize and disguise their behaviors. Decades of pollution. Over the decades I grew increasingly discouraged about the incredible amount of pollution. It seemed to increase faster than it could be identified and cleaned up. Few seemed to realize the long term affects, especially the third world, which wanted to increase productivity at the expense of the people and the environment. I came to the conclusion a long time ago that the whole mess would poison us all. It was only a matter of how long. I secretly guessed about two or three generations. I was not surprised that the Zetas said we had only 100 years. Just another example of how my own conclusions were mirrored by Zetatalk. Last Edited by burkettgirl on 06/14/2009 02:10 AM |
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| burkettgirl User ID: 470701 United States06/14/2009 12:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ZetaMax: If I haven't put you to sleep yet. I was planning on spending my "Golden Years" doing needlepoint, swimming laps at the "Y", gardening, and catching up on my reading. My daughter laughingly agreed to sprinkle some of my ashes at the public library, in the hope that it would, somehow, guarantee that I would get some reading done there. In ghostly form. I knew from my upbringing that there would be an "end time". I had been quite a reader throughout my entire life, so I'd come across more than a few references to many prophecies. Edgar Cayce was especially interesting, but there were many others. No one source, including the Bible, spelled things out with real clarity. Many sources overlapped information, but I was frequently irritated by the seeming lack of clarity. Until I found Zetatalk. I was initially drawn to the material that concerned human emotions, behavior, and karma. I skimmed over the material on Planet X. It was those debunkers that drew my attention to it and other topics. They made such a damn fuss that I started looking at the very topics they said were pure garbage. When I first connected my experience with the flowerbed and the new "track" of the sun, it was because of the debunkers. (I'm dense in some areas.) When I posted my experience I made no claims, which the debunkers didn't seem to notice. They simply attacked my experience and picked apart my words...a response that got my immediate attention. I suddenly had some clarity. If the debunkers couldn't calmly discuss that little comment...something was seriously wrong...with the debunkers. It got my attention. I began to read the Passing, and everything about the very subjects the D's said was garbage. That's why I like the debunkers. God bless them all. Last Edited by burkettgirl on 06/15/2009 05:11 PM |
| burkettgirl User ID: 470701 United States06/14/2009 01:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Almost every week someone declares that the individuals, who read and ask questions about the Zetatalk material, are somehow involved in a cult. I've lived during a period of time when some of the most infamous cults were in the news: On the front pages of newspapers, in countless TV discussions with experts on cults, and in best selling books. Before that, tele-evangelists made fortunes manipulating people, sometimes whipping their followers into line with miraculous healings, "hellfire and brimstone" sermons, and lots of Bible-clutching and tears. Sometimes, people babbled and it was called speaking in tongues. I have first hand experience, since my grandmother was a fundamentalist Christian. Concerning Zetatalk being a cult: I was closer to being in a cult when I was a Girl Scout Leader. We had rituals, badges, a uniform, and a manual (aka handbook), which spelled out the traditions, beliefs, and expected behavior of our group. We even had a manipulative leader (me), who collected weekly dues from the girls and who sent the girls out to sell cookies. Based on research and personal experience, the followers in a cult all do as they are told, have rituals that are meant to set them apart, and discussion is discouraged...if not punished. I've yet to see any secret handshake or ritual here on this thread. For pete's sake, you don't even have to register or be a member to join the discussion. Ms. Lieder doesn't appear to require armbands, uniforms, or dues. There doesn't seem to be advertisers on the Zetatalk website and Ms. Lieder has yet to send me out to sell cookies. Even the debunkers have pointed out how simply she lives. I'm sure if she had a palatial home and expensive cars or jewelry, the debunkers would post an endless stream of pictures. Last Edited by burkettgirl on 06/14/2009 05:39 AM |
| burkettgirl User ID: 470701 United States06/14/2009 01:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Live Chat is open for discussion. Discussion. I've tried and failed to find evidence that the Zetas want everyone to think the same way. They routinely tell people to think for themselves. In one way or another, the Zetas tell us repeatedly, "The Earth is your school house...it is up to you to determine your course of action...it is up to you to determine what this might be...we don't direct people in their activities or actions." To put it so simply that even a debunker can understand: The Zetas offer information, but our free will to act wisely or to act foolishly is a gift from the Universe (aka God, aka the Creator). It always has been. Thank you for letting me vent. I had fun. If I get to be too much of a problem, you can have Ms. Lieder ban me. Last Edited by burkettgirl on 06/14/2009 01:48 AM |
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