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*********American Police Force -BROWN SHIRTS in Hardin Montana - WAKE THE FUCK UP - NOW GOTDAMNIT!******

 
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They'd better wear some heavy-duty body armor. I think it's a law that every male over 14 in Montana has to have a scoped 30-06 or better.
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LMAO dem boys out yonder there don't play with 30-06's after age 8. Open range country lotsa space.

Think .375 Cheytac.

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Even if Hardin accepted an offer to locate a privately operated prison there, that is no reason to give the private company police rights over the whole town. The city officials that did this, it that is the way it happened, are traitors to their citizens.
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from all the information that I have read it does not seem that APPFO has any intentions currently to fill the prison with inmates, they rather are looking to use it as a training facility and crime labs to be built later. Very crazy sheit, could this be the governments answer to montana's enforcment of their 10th amendment and allowing weapons made in montana exempt from any federal laws. Too many variables to really set up a arguement.

another good link

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AWSOME! WILL THEY ROUND UP QUAYLE???
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Even if Hardin accepted an offer to locate a privately operated prison there, that is no reason to give the private company police rights over the whole town. The city officials that did this, it that is the way it happened, are traitors to their citizens.
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Yup...but this IS MONTANA. And the word has just gone out on the personal 'above ground' network. Phone calls and emails are alerting just about every person in the state. By tomorrow, it will be the hottest topic in every coffee shop and bar.
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Have you ever heard of the American Police force?
Well, neither have the folks in Hardin Montana -that is until the APF rolled in and set-up shop...

Video [link to www.kulr8.com]

BILLINGS - American Police Force officials showed up in Mercedes SUV's that had "Hardin Police" stenciled on the vehicles. The twist, the city of Hardin doesn't have a police department.
Two Rivers Authority officials say having APF patrol the streets was never part of their agenda. "I have no idea. I really don't because that's not been a part of any of the discussions we've had with any of them," said Two Rivers Authority's Al Peterson.

As it stands now the Big Horn County Sheriff's Department is contracted to patrol the city and APF has no jurisdiction. If that was changed Peterson says it would have to go through the city council.

As for the jail contract with APF, both sides are yet to agree to a deal as bondholders rejected it again on Thursday morning. "It's a complicated issue there are a lot of tax laws to work through we were hoping to get it by Tuesday night now we're hoping to get it by Friday night," said Peterson.

Officials say the contract only deals with the detention facility and a police training center. There's no mention of a homeless shelter, animal shelter, or any services for the area.

"That was never in the contract to begin with. I think it was on a wish list of what Captain Michael wanted to do here," said Peterson. American Police Force officials plan to stay in the area for the next month.



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AWSOME! WILL THEY ROUND UP QUAYLE???
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Naw can't be that bad. He don't got "the red screen of death" up yet.
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What the hell is the American Police Force?
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Targets for patriots would be my guess.
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Wow, the lone guy in the Santa Ana office said he was naturalized citizen for Montenegro?! Yeah, you money hungry traitors in Montana - bring in TERRORISTS to line your pockets.

You see how a few corrupt and greedy locals can open up their beautiful state to foreign terrorists and organized crime? No wonder they're all saying their last names are secret, won't reveal parent company info, and won't be open about about their dirty deals selling out their community.

Did you call them and did you use the address I posted on this thread?
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No, but I was thinking about emailing this thread to the Montana governor's office.
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[link to 74.125.93.132]
cache of the page that's down
Are they blackwater with a new name?

American Police Force offers private investigation services in all 50 states and international countries.
Our main office is located in Washington D.C. and we service all 50 States and most Countries. Our experienced staff consists of highly experienced former law enforcement officers.

American Police Force has years of experience and vast global resources to provide timely and professional international investigation services. Our highly trained staff will discover information that fits your needs to get the answers you need. Some of our services include Kidknapping & Ransoms for ransom, INTL Air Marshalls, Security for convoys in Iraq, Pakistan + More!


So, why Hardin, Montana?

Is that where the aliens are planning to land?
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Simple answer. UN Biosphere program and Yellowstone is now the property of UNICEF. Interestingly enough, so is the Independence Hall Museum.

The game plan is to force people to live where they want them to live so they can worship their Mother earth... That is what Bohemian Grove is all about folks
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[link to www.hardinmt.com]
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[link to www.billingsgazette.com]
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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They told one storekeeper that they knew how many guns he had and that everybody had to being them into thier office and have them 'marked'. Mandatory.
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Wow, the lone guy in the Santa Ana office said he was naturalized citizen for Montenegro?! Yeah, you money hungry traitors in Montana - bring in TERRORISTS to line your pockets.

You see how a few corrupt and greedy locals can open up their beautiful state to foreign terrorists and organized crime? No wonder they're all saying their last names are secret, won't reveal parent company info, and won't be open about about their dirty deals selling out their community.

Did you call them and did you use the address I posted on this thread?



No, but I was thinking about emailing this thread to the Montana governor's office.
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You can check out a personal statement from a resident, front page on Steve Quayle's site.
Scareeeeee.
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Looks like Hardin sold its soul for a few jobs. And now we are ALL at risk.

Well, perhaps we needed this final wake up call. Most people around here are pretty savvy when it comes to the Feds. This state even has a Federal Mandates Act, which says that if something the Feds want us to do, doesn't make us feel good, we don't have to do it. Period.

Also, wonder where the County Sheriff is in all of this?
hmmmmm.... has he been bought off too?
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Can anyone find this on Google maps, aerial view?
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Here's a pic of the car/w logo.Notice the rising sun? [link to www.missoulian.com]
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Hardin is in Big Horn County:
[link to mt.gov]
there are only 12,000 in the entire county.
I think I will start by calling each of the County Commishes and asking them why they are letting a private police force remove the Constitution from Hardin! Now if lots of us did this, they might just begin to realize they are no longer hiding behind their 'payoffs'.

COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
665-9700

John T. Doyle, Jr. 638-2867
Chad Fenner 665-1174
John Pretty On Top 639-9119

ELECTED OFFICIALS
Attorney Georgette Hogan 665-9720
Clerk & Recorder Cyndy R. [email protected]
665-9731

Sheriff: Lawrence Big Hair
[email protected]
683-3737


Treasurer Jody Guptill [email protected]
665-9830


Commissioner Days in Office: Monday, Tuesday, Thursday

County Size in Square Miles: 5,551

Population: 12,798

Fax: 665-9738
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Just as it was wrong for the people to be manipulated into voting Obama because of Bush...

Don't let them manipulate you to vote in the wrong Republican. It WILL happen. Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, O'Reilly will be all for that candidate... all the while trying to make you feel like shit for even thinking of someone along the lines of Ron Paul.

I can see this shit coming and I don't want to see history fucking repeating itself again.
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you americans should subscribe , or get trinity to do the same

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Just as it was wrong for the people to be manipulated into voting Obama because of Bush...

Don't let them manipulate you to vote in the wrong Republican. It WILL happen. Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, O'Reilly will be all for that candidate... all the while trying to make you feel like shit for even thinking of someone along the lines of Ron Paul.

I can see this shit coming and I don't want to see history fucking repeating itself again.
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Actually our Democratic Governor is pretty cool overall and very middle of the road. He is a rancher. And Montana's Legislature only meets every two years so everybody has to have REAL jobs. this is one of the reasons we aren't as fucked up as the other states.

I would be very suprised if Schweitzer is party to this nonsense in Hardin. this is the guy who replaced his security guard with his dog.

He also thought Obama was going to bring back the Constitution. I'd bet he is as disappointed in the reality as any of us.
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During the campaign Obama said he would build a civilian police force just as powerful as the military. Yet 52% voted for it. So here it is.
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Oh, and he campaigned on a platform of NO FED ID.
His tv ad showed him skeetshooting...at Fed ID's.
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AWSOME! WILL THEY ROUND UP QUAYLE???
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chuckle
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Good analysis and story links on the APF:

[link to cryptogon.com]
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[link to www.examiner.com]

This story about American Police Force is shaping up to be a quite wonderful little scandal. It's perhaps a little early to offer a definitive statement of the facts so I'll constrain myself to reasonable interpretations and point out that this is very much personal supposition, opinion, not a definitive statement of facts.


But I would start by saying that American Police Force and their contract to run the empty jail in Hardin, Montana, well, it looks like a group of small time entrepreneurs (not that there's anything wrong with being a small time entrepreneur, I am one myself) who have bitten off rather more than they can chew.

Let's start with the complaints over at agent provocateur:

A private security force whose biggest role is helping the U.S. government to “combat terrorism” is now patrolling the streets of a town in Montana, acting as law enforcement but accountable to nobody and operating completely outside the limitations of the U.S. constitution in a chilling throwback to the brownshirts of Nazi Germany.
No, this isn't the second coming of the Nazis, no it isn't black helicopters from the UN or anything like that. It's something much more prosaic and amusing than that. From Billings, Montana, here's a reasonable over view of what the American Police Force story is:

BILLINGS - The jail in Hardin has been empty for about two years, but on September 4th officials with the Two Rivers Authority, the economic development agency that paid for the facility, signed a contract with a private police firm called American Police Force to fill the jail.

"I think it's a great situation," said Al Peterson the Vice President of Two Rivers Authority. "I have found these people to be wonderful community partners."

The company's website states the U.S. government is their biggest client, but an Associated Press search of two comprehensive federal government contractor databases turned up no record of American Police Force.

So what did AP find out about American Police Force?

The Associated Press has raised questions about the legitimacy of American Police Force. Government contract databases show no record of the company, and security industry representatives and federal officials said they have never heard of it. However, representatives of security trade groups said added secrecy was prevalent in the industry and it was possible the company had avoided the public limelight.

The company's Web site lists as its East Coast headquarters a building in Washington near the White House that holds "virtual offices." A spokeswoman for the building said American Police Force's application to use the address is pending, but incomplete.

OK, so it's either a shell company, a brand new one of a recently incorporated subsidiary of another one. There's more from AP as well:

The lead public figure for American Police Force, Michael Hilton, said more than 200 employees would be sought for the jail and a proposed military and law enforcement training center.

That would be a significant boost to Hardin, a struggling town of 3,500 located about 45 miles east of Billings. An earlier announcement that a job fair would be held during the last week never came to fruition.

Hilton also said he planned a helicopter tour of the region in coming days to look at real estate for a planned tactical military training ground. He said 5,000 to 10,000 acres were needed to complement the training center, a $17 million project.



Ah, now, this is all becoming depressingly familiar. I cannot of course prove anything here, but this has that smell of cow manure (the male kind, you know) that surrounds so many grand plans put forward by small businesses and would be owners of large businesses. Forgive me if I don't detail all of my experiences right here but I've seen this kind of grandeur in the UK, Russia and the US: it's more common than many would normally think.

Mike Young picks up on some interesting details:

In April 2009, Two Rivers Authority and the Hardin City Council started looking into housing enemy combatants currently detained in Guantanamo Bay (Gitmo), Cuba. A few weeks later (May 15th), a business called the American Police Force (”APF”) registers the domain name AmericanPoliceGroup.com. The next thing you know, APF is trying to contract to build a $27 million private jail and police training center.

(Note that that website appears to be down.)

However, there's another company registered with similar addresses, on the same server, with personnel in common. The excellent Kevin Flaherty has been looking around at documents. Have a look at that first link for that's what I think pretty much explains it all. There's also this, which is a list of contracts performed by what I assume is a related company.



We need add only one more point: I have been on the periphery of this sort of business for the past 18 years: no, not myself supplying the US Government or law enforcement agencies but several business associates have been. Everything from American police cars to the Russian police forces of cities in Siberia to supplying Soviet era (and later) tanks to the US Army. This isn't my area of expertise, but it is something I know about.



That list of contracts is indicative of what they've been doing. The US military is fighting two wars at present and the entire logistics train is very stretched. So there are a lot of contracts, small stuff, which gets hired out to just about anybody willing to do the work. If you actually run the numbers, around $30 million of contracts since 2004 is $5 million a year or so of total sales. There's competition for this sort of work so gross margins on sales (they're providing goods here, don't forget, not just their labor) tend to be in the 20% range.



So we're talking about a company here with maybe $1 million a year to spend on salaries, profits, overheads and so on. Nice work if you can get it but it's not by any means instant riches: there will be a lot more than just one person eating out of that sum.



So what do I think is happening here with American Police Force? I emphasize again that this is opinion, a piecing together of inherent knowledge and publicly available facts, not proof perfect that this indeed what is happening.



We've a small time operator feeding on the scraps and tail end of the Pentagon's logistics chain: the sort of contracts they've been doing look remarkably similar to what one associate of mine was doing a decade ago. There are myriads of these companies out there at the moment, all scrapping to get these small contracts.



They saw that Hardin, Montana, had built this jail but had no prisoners to put into it. The bonds issued to pay for the jail are in default. So, how hard could it be to construct a story that would fly with the Town Manager?



"Yes, yes, we'll sort it all out for you. We've great experience. Don't worry, just sign the contract."



In the tradition of so many of these small companies, it's all about getting the contract first. Worry about how to perform, how to complete the contract, once it's all been signed.



I doubt very much indeed if this bodes well for the filling up of that empty prison with paying convicts.



The one person I might actually feel sorry for is the local newspaper reporter who quit her job to become the press liaison officer for American Police Force on $60,000 a year. I doubt those checks are going to be coming in for all that long darling: you might want to make sure you're still on good terms with your ex-editor.
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AT LAST!

There was a thread started on this last night but it got lost in the midst of all the other "pinned" threads. I am so glad that this is now up, pinned and front and center on GLP.
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What does HCEMS stand for? Under that it said, Tennessee Homeland Security. Nice ford F350-4x4 jacked up, mudding tires...course had to be white with black tinted windows. Just saw it this morning.





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