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Kaosofik (OP) User ID: 759722 Netherlands 04/23/2010 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you in the Shadow of your Daykeeper? Have you unconsciously created a reality in which you seem lost or confused? In this shadow, you may feel enmeshed in the illusions of the hall of mirrors. Remember that the only real power the hall of mirrors has is your belief that its grand illusions are real! On Earth, we presently live on a holographic playing field made of the elements of time and space. This field draws to itself the density and mass necessary to form a three-dimensional reality. All phenomena within it are images that appear for our learning and growth. Since each of us is a hologram of light within the larger hologram, getting lost in fear, judgement, and denial can certainly appear to be "real", but it is really only an illusion. The essential mind is silent, still, empty - hence, incapable of getting lost. The transformation offered in this shadow is found by being mindful. Meditate and pray for the reestablishment of your direct connection to Spirit. Become quiet and still. Imagine yourself floating timelessly in the center of the star-glyph White Mirror, receiving divine wisdom. Cut away with clear discrimination. Forgive and release yourself and others. Enter into the timeless truth of the spiritual warrior. Another shadow transformation of White Mirror may be found in seeing yourself clearly in the mirrors of the world and other people. Using others as mirrors allows you to experience hidden truths about yourself. Ask for honest feedback from friends you trust. Risk hearing the truth about yourself. Openly observe the events in your life to see how they can be used to better understand who you actually are. One of the most self-limiting illusions is the belief that one's own view of reality is the only one. This often causes the mirror of the world to reflect back to you your "unseen" shadow, and when you see this shadow, it can produce a judgement or reaction. Such emotionally charged situations usually have two poles or positions. When you believe that only you are right, both poles remain charged and fixed. For a moment, experiment with letting go or changing your position. As you loosen your hold and step aside, the "other position" or person is freed to change as well. Understand that judgement and acceptance are two sides of the same mirror - the transparent mirror of ascension. [link to www.astrodreamadvisor.com] Tat Tvam Asi |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 916957 Netherlands 04/23/2010 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I agree we should face our inner demons and be aware of our less-than-admirable qualities. However one must ask oneself WHY these traits reside in our subconcious. Quoting: KaosofikMaybe we put them there? Yeah probably, but why? Why can't we be confronted with that side of us? |
Kaosofik (OP) User ID: 759722 Netherlands 04/23/2010 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I agree we should face our inner demons and be aware of our less-than-admirable qualities. However one must ask oneself WHY these traits reside in our subconcious. Quoting: Indy2517Maybe we put them there? Yeah probably, but why? Why can't we be confronted with that side of us? I think we have been conditioned since birth on what is "right" and what is "wrong". We are told that darkness is evil/wrong. Yet we are in our mother's womb for 9 months in total darkness. Were we afraid of darkness then? I think not. It has been a distraction to keep us from knowing that it is all one. At the same time I think it is something we must experience in order for us to understand. Tat Tvam Asi |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 916957 Netherlands 04/23/2010 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I agree we should face our inner demons and be aware of our less-than-admirable qualities. However one must ask oneself WHY these traits reside in our subconcious. Quoting: KaosofikMaybe we put them there? Yeah probably, but why? Why can't we be confronted with that side of us? I think we have been conditioned since birth on what is "right" and what is "wrong". We are told that darkness is evil/wrong. Yet we are in our mother's womb for 9 months in total darkness. Were we afraid of darkness then? I think not. It has been a distraction to keep us from knowing that it is all one. At the same time I think it is something we must experience in order for us to understand. You have a good point there, although sometimes I wonder if our sense of right and wrong is just conditioning. I believe we're born with a rudimental moral compass. This reminds me of the movie 8mm, did you see it? |
Kaosofik (OP) User ID: 759722 Netherlands 04/23/2010 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I agree we should face our inner demons and be aware of our less-than-admirable qualities. However one must ask oneself WHY these traits reside in our subconcious. Quoting: ObeWayneKenobeMaybe we put them there? Or maybe we allow them in......? I think that if anything they are put there. Conditioning since birth. Although I do agree with you to certain extent. It's up to us what we do with it later on. Last Edited by Kaosofik Gnostik on 04/23/2010 03:57 PM Tat Tvam Asi |
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Kaosofik (OP) User ID: 759722 Netherlands 04/23/2010 03:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I agree we should face our inner demons and be aware of our less-than-admirable qualities. However one must ask oneself WHY these traits reside in our subconcious. Quoting: Indy2517Maybe we put them there? Yeah probably, but why? Why can't we be confronted with that side of us? I think we have been conditioned since birth on what is "right" and what is "wrong". We are told that darkness is evil/wrong. Yet we are in our mother's womb for 9 months in total darkness. Were we afraid of darkness then? I think not. It has been a distraction to keep us from knowing that it is all one. At the same time I think it is something we must experience in order for us to understand. You have a good point there, although sometimes I wonder if our sense of right and wrong is just conditioning. I believe we're born with a rudimental moral compass. This reminds me of the movie 8mm, did you see it? With Nicolas Cage right? Yeah, it's been a while though. I'll have to think about us being born with a moral compass. Tat Tvam Asi |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 916957 Netherlands 04/23/2010 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I agree we should face our inner demons and be aware of our less-than-admirable qualities. However one must ask oneself WHY these traits reside in our subconcious. Quoting: KaosofikMaybe we put them there? Yeah probably, but why? Why can't we be confronted with that side of us? I think we have been conditioned since birth on what is "right" and what is "wrong". We are told that darkness is evil/wrong. Yet we are in our mother's womb for 9 months in total darkness. Were we afraid of darkness then? I think not. It has been a distraction to keep us from knowing that it is all one. At the same time I think it is something we must experience in order for us to understand. You have a good point there, although sometimes I wonder if our sense of right and wrong is just conditioning. I believe we're born with a rudimental moral compass. This reminds me of the movie 8mm, did you see it? With Nicolas Cage right? Yeah, it's been a while though. I'll have to think about us being born with a moral compass. Well I mentioned it, because the killer tells Cage he had a normal childhood , etc. So that begs the question, what's wrong with him? I'll see if I can find a real world comparison. |
Kaosofik (OP) User ID: 759722 Netherlands 04/23/2010 04:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I agree we should face our inner demons and be aware of our less-than-admirable qualities. However one must ask oneself WHY these traits reside in our subconcious. Quoting: Indy2517Maybe we put them there? Yeah probably, but why? Why can't we be confronted with that side of us? I think we have been conditioned since birth on what is "right" and what is "wrong". We are told that darkness is evil/wrong. Yet we are in our mother's womb for 9 months in total darkness. Were we afraid of darkness then? I think not. It has been a distraction to keep us from knowing that it is all one. At the same time I think it is something we must experience in order for us to understand. You have a good point there, although sometimes I wonder if our sense of right and wrong is just conditioning. I believe we're born with a rudimental moral compass. This reminds me of the movie 8mm, did you see it? Okay...I think I get what you mean by moral compass. So again I think it is up to us to decide what we do with it. Do we dare think/step outside the box and deal with things other than what was given to us? (normal childhood etc.) In modern moral psychology, morality is considered to CHANGE THROUGH PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT. A number of psychologists have produced theories on the development of morals, usually going through stages of different morals. Lawrence Kohlberg, Jean Piaget, and Elliot Turiel have cognitive-developmental approaches to moral development; to these theorists morality forms in a series of constructive stages or domains. Social psychologists such as Martin Hoffman and Jonathan Haidt emphasize social and emotional development based on biology, such as empathy. Moral identity theorists, such as William Damon and Mordechai Nisan, see moral commitment as arising from the development of a self-identity that is defined by moral purposes: this moral self-identity leads to a sense of responsibility to pursue such purposes... Last Edited by Kaosofik Gnostik on 04/23/2010 04:10 PM Tat Tvam Asi |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 943894 United States 04/23/2010 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That video is awesome... But no offense, Jung was a retard. He complicated what is simple and relatively easy to understand. By labeling all these "sides" of people he makes it appear as if there are different people inside us...it's not like that... Exploring who you are is not getting to know different parts of yourself...it's getting to know one simple truth inside each of us...that we all share. I don't know...it can be perceived so many ways...it's good to hear others views on that. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 916957 Netherlands 04/23/2010 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I agree we should face our inner demons and be aware of our less-than-admirable qualities. However one must ask oneself WHY these traits reside in our subconcious. Quoting: KaosofikMaybe we put them there? Yeah probably, but why? Why can't we be confronted with that side of us? I think we have been conditioned since birth on what is "right" and what is "wrong". We are told that darkness is evil/wrong. Yet we are in our mother's womb for 9 months in total darkness. Were we afraid of darkness then? I think not. It has been a distraction to keep us from knowing that it is all one. At the same time I think it is something we must experience in order for us to understand. You have a good point there, although sometimes I wonder if our sense of right and wrong is just conditioning. I believe we're born with a rudimental moral compass. This reminds me of the movie 8mm, did you see it? Okay...I think I get what you mean by moral compass. So again I think it is up to us to decide what we do with it. Do we dare think/step outside the box and deal with things other than what was given to us? (normal childhood etc.) In modern moral psychology, morality is considered to CHANGE THROUGH PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT. A number of psychologists have produced theories on the development of morals, usually going through stages of different morals. Lawrence Kohlberg, Jean Piaget, and Elliot Turiel have cognitive-developmental approaches to moral development; to these theorists morality forms in a series of constructive stages or domains. Social psychologists such as Martin Hoffman and Jonathan Haidt emphasize social and emotional development based on biology, such as empathy. Moral identity theorists, such as William Damon and Mordechai Nisan, see moral commitment as arising from the development of a self-identity that is defined by moral purposes: this moral self-identity leads to a sense of responsibility to pursue such purposes... That's just my point, do we all have the same base from which we start building our identity? Why is it that some people that are abused turn into abusers, while some do not? Is it all a result of external influences or are some people just born differently. What about our innate beliefs? Are these factors taken into account? |
Kaosofik (OP) User ID: 759722 Netherlands 04/23/2010 04:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That video is awesome... Quoting: ArunaLunaBut no offense, Jung was a retard. He complicated what is simple and relatively easy to understand. By labeling all these "sides" of people he makes it appear as if there are different people inside us...it's not like that... Exploring who you are is not getting to know different parts of yourself...it's getting to know one simple truth inside each of us...that we all share. I don't know...it can be perceived so many ways...it's good to hear others views on that. I don't see it as different people inside of us...it's all part of us. How else are we to experience the "simple truth" if we do not experience the "lies"? Tat Tvam Asi |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 916957 Netherlands 04/23/2010 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That video is awesome... Quoting: ArunaLunaBut no offense, Jung was a retard. He complicated what is simple and relatively easy to understand. By labeling all these "sides" of people he makes it appear as if there are different people inside us...it's not like that... Exploring who you are is not getting to know different parts of yourself...it's getting to know one simple truth inside each of us...that we all share. I don't know...it can be perceived so many ways...it's good to hear others views on that. Well that's the prerogative of science, complicating matters... Especially in fields such as Psychology, which for the most part is purely theoretical. It's based on statistics mostly. I keep it in high regard though. |
AWhereness User ID: 908143 United States 04/23/2010 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I agree we should face our inner demons and be aware of our less-than-admirable qualities. However one must ask oneself WHY these traits reside in our subconcious. Quoting: Indy2517Maybe we put them there? Yeah probably, but why? Why can't we be confronted with that side of us? Our minds are so much bigger than we are! With this incredible capacity, it feeds on what we are consciously giving it as well as that which we just view in passing. Like being absorbed on the periphery of our awareness. And it does confront us; that is what Jung meant by that first line. We are not always conscious of what has made us to this point. That storehouse is available to us when we are able to still the chatter up front and center. We can finally get to the immense library of archives and possibilities that are our Being. When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained. Mark Twain |
Kaosofik (OP) User ID: 759722 Netherlands 04/23/2010 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I agree we should face our inner demons and be aware of our less-than-admirable qualities. However one must ask oneself WHY these traits reside in our subconcious. Quoting: Indy2517Maybe we put them there? Yeah probably, but why? Why can't we be confronted with that side of us? I think we have been conditioned since birth on what is "right" and what is "wrong". We are told that darkness is evil/wrong. Yet we are in our mother's womb for 9 months in total darkness. Were we afraid of darkness then? I think not. It has been a distraction to keep us from knowing that it is all one. At the same time I think it is something we must experience in order for us to understand. You have a good point there, although sometimes I wonder if our sense of right and wrong is just conditioning. I believe we're born with a rudimental moral compass. This reminds me of the movie 8mm, did you see it? Okay...I think I get what you mean by moral compass. So again I think it is up to us to decide what we do with it. Do we dare think/step outside the box and deal with things other than what was given to us? (normal childhood etc.) In modern moral psychology, morality is considered to CHANGE THROUGH PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT. A number of psychologists have produced theories on the development of morals, usually going through stages of different morals. Lawrence Kohlberg, Jean Piaget, and Elliot Turiel have cognitive-developmental approaches to moral development; to these theorists morality forms in a series of constructive stages or domains. Social psychologists such as Martin Hoffman and Jonathan Haidt emphasize social and emotional development based on biology, such as empathy. Moral identity theorists, such as William Damon and Mordechai Nisan, see moral commitment as arising from the development of a self-identity that is defined by moral purposes: this moral self-identity leads to a sense of responsibility to pursue such purposes... That's just my point, do we all have the same base from which we start building our identity? Why is it that some people that are abused turn into abusers, while some do not? Is it all a result of external influences or are some people just born differently. What about our inane beliefs? Are these factors taken into account? I think "external" influences do play a role. But I also believe a lot of it is "internal" (will). If someone is willing to expand their awareness or not. Last Edited by Kaosofik Gnostik on 04/23/2010 04:40 PM Tat Tvam Asi |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 916957 Netherlands 04/23/2010 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think external influences do play a role. But I also believe a lot of it is internal (will). True, willpower does play a role in it, but what I was aiming at was defects. Basically what we're talking about here is the nature of evil, I've already stated several times I'm not religious, but I'm starting to believe more and more that some people are just born incomplete. Could be a defect in their brain, could be something more elusive. To sum it up, I think we're all the products of BOTH our environment AND our innate properties. The thing is, if you're born in a way society deems evil, how do you deal with such persons should they commit crimes? Story of the turtle and the scorpion comes to mind. A turtle was happily swimming along a river when a scorpion hailed it from the shore. "Dear friend turtle!" called the scorpion. "Please let me climb upon your back and swim me to the other side of the river!" "No," replied the turtle, "for if I do, you shall sting me, and I shall die." "Nonsense!" replied the scorpion. "If I kill you in the middle of the river, you shall sink, and I shall drown and die with you." The turtle thought this over, and saw the truth of the scorpion's statement. He let it upon his back and began swimming towards the other side of the river. Halfway across, he felt a sharp pain in the back of his neck. "Why have you stung me?!" cried the turtle as his body began to stiffen. "Now you shall die as well!" "Because it is in my nature," replied the scorpion as the turtle sank beneath the waters. |
Kaosofik (OP) User ID: 759722 Netherlands 04/23/2010 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think external influences do play a role. But I also believe a lot of it is internal (will). True, willpower does play a role in it, but what I was aiming at was defects. Basically what we're talking about here is the nature of evil, I've already stated several times I'm not religious, but I'm starting to believe more and more that some people are just born incomplete. Could be a defect in their brain, could be something more elusive. To sum it up, I think we're all the products of BOTH our environment AND our inate properties. The thing is, if you're born in a way society deems evil, how do you deal with such persons should they commit crimes? Are these defects natural or caused by man? Either way they are here for a reason/purpose. Last Edited by Kaosofik Gnostik on 04/23/2010 04:58 PM Tat Tvam Asi |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 916957 Netherlands 04/23/2010 05:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think external influences do play a role. But I also believe a lot of it is internal (will). True, willpower does play a role in it, but what I was aiming at was defects. Basically what we're talking about here is the nature of evil, I've already stated several times I'm not religious, but I'm starting to believe more and more that some people are just born incomplete. Could be a defect in their brain, could be something more elusive. To sum it up, I think we're all the products of BOTH our environment AND our inate properties. The thing is, if you're born in a way society deems evil, how do you deal with such persons should they commit crimes? Are these defects natural or caused by man? Either way they are here for a reason/purpose. Hmm that's hard to answer. Let's assume, they're natural(or indirectly caused by man through pollution or something). Sometimes when you use a xerox machine you get a bad copy. I'm not sure what their purpose is though, seems to me they got the short end of the stick. They do horrible things, in part because their nature compels them and we punish them for it ( no other solution). Only reason for their existence might be so we can learn from them and maybe avoid a repeat of these events. |
Kaosofik (OP) User ID: 759722 Netherlands 04/23/2010 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think external influences do play a role. But I also believe a lot of it is internal (will). True, willpower does play a role in it, but what I was aiming at was defects. Basically what we're talking about here is the nature of evil, I've already stated several times I'm not religious, but I'm starting to believe more and more that some people are just born incomplete. Could be a defect in their brain, could be something more elusive. To sum it up, I think we're all the products of BOTH our environment AND our inate properties. The thing is, if you're born in a way society deems evil, how do you deal with such persons should they commit crimes? Are these defects natural or caused by man? Either way they are here for a reason/purpose. Hmm that's hard to answer. Let's assume, they're natural(or indirectly caused by man through pollution or something). Sometimes when you use a xerox machine you get a bad copy. I'm not sure what their purpose is though, seems to me they got the short end of the stick. They do horrible things, in part because their nature compels them and we punish them for it ( no other solution). Only reason for their existence might be so we can learn from them and maybe avoid a repeat of these events. But are we learning from them by punishing them? Maybe that just causes even worse defects in the future. And maybe they are not defects. After all, they are a part of us. Is that our way of not dealing with our shadows? Last Edited by Kaosofik Gnostik on 04/23/2010 05:26 PM Tat Tvam Asi |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 916957 Netherlands 04/23/2010 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think external influences do play a role. But I also believe a lot of it is internal (will). True, willpower does play a role in it, but what I was aiming at was defects. Basically what we're talking about here is the nature of evil, I've already stated several times I'm not religious, but I'm starting to believe more and more that some people are just born incomplete. Could be a defect in their brain, could be something more elusive. To sum it up, I think we're all the products of BOTH our environment AND our inate properties. The thing is, if you're born in a way society deems evil, how do you deal with such persons should they commit crimes? Are these defects natural or caused by man? Either way they are here for a reason/purpose. Hmm that's hard to answer. Let's assume, they're natural(or indirectly caused by man through pollution or something). Sometimes when you use a xerox machine you get a bad copy. I'm not sure what their purpose is though, seems to me they got the short end of the stick. They do horrible things, in part because their nature compels them and we punish them for it ( no other solution). Only reason for their existence might be so we can learn from them and maybe avoid a repeat of these events. But are we learning from them by punishing them? Maybe that just causes even worse defects in the future. And maybe they are not defects. After all, they are a part of us. Is that our way of not dealing with our shadows? Well punish might not be the right word. Punishment implies rehabilitation. But some people cannot be returned to society, can not be rehabilitated, because of the risk they pose. Such people should be "studied", it sounds clinical, but I believe in doing so we're helping them and ourselves. But I get the feeling I'm starting to veer away from the main point here. When we're talking about relatively sane persons, I agree they should get the chance to redeem themselves. |
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