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TheWatcher (OP) User ID: 903601 United States 04/23/2010 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now, they can pull you over in Arizona if you look like an illegal alien. You could look German and they could pull you over to make sure you are an American Citizen. Quoting: ^TrInItY^good I don't have a problem with it too much as long as they don't abuse it. |
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TheWatcher (OP) User ID: 903601 United States 04/23/2010 04:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its about time they took courage and did this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 951261Now they just have to tell the Feds to cram it. I agree. It's a step toward making the Fed obsolete. I approve. BUT, they can use that law to abuse innocent people in Arizona. I'd like to see what happens. Maybe riots tonight? LOL |
TheWatcher (OP) User ID: 903601 United States 04/23/2010 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now, they can pull you over in Arizona if you look like an illegal alien. You could look German and they could pull you over to make sure you are an American Citizen. Quoting: ^TrInItY^good I don't have a problem with it too much as long as they don't abuse it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 940123 Italy 04/23/2010 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because there is such a problem with illegal german immigrants in AZ? First of all, i doubt you could tell the difference between someone born in Berlin, and someone born in Tempe AZ, while driving. It's easy, if you are an immigrant, here legally, have your documents on you to prove it. If you have done nothing wrong, and have nothing to hide, then you dont have anything to worry about. |
snark Forum Administrator User ID: 817630 United States 04/23/2010 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
TheWatcher (OP) User ID: 903601 United States 04/23/2010 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because there is such a problem with illegal german immigrants in AZ? First of all, i doubt you could tell the difference between someone born in Berlin, and someone born in Tempe AZ, while driving. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 940123It's easy, if you are an immigrant, here legally, have your documents on you to prove it. If you have done nothing wrong, and have nothing to hide, then you dont have anything to worry about. That's my point. They can basically pull you over for anything and then say that you looked like an illegal alien....No matter what the color of your skin is. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 940123 Italy 04/23/2010 05:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because there is such a problem with illegal german immigrants in AZ? First of all, i doubt you could tell the difference between someone born in Berlin, and someone born in Tempe AZ, while driving. Quoting: TheWatcherIt's easy, if you are an immigrant, here legally, have your documents on you to prove it. If you have done nothing wrong, and have nothing to hide, then you dont have anything to worry about. That's my point. They can basically pull you over for anything and then say that you looked like an illegal alien....No matter what the color of your skin is. So get an attorney, and go to court. Maybe even file a harrasement complaint against the police, but like I said , IF YOU HAVENT DONE ANYTHING WRONG, YOU WONT BE ARRESTED, and it wont even go to court. Why is this hard to understand? This is no different than the situation now. It's funny how often I was pulled over by police between the ages of 16-26. Police see a car full of young kids at a light, and a man in his 30's-40's, the cop will be yanking the kids. That is Profiling. Police look for young kids with hat on backwards, or stickers on his car, and pull them over. That is profiling. They profiled black people to the point that the Gov of NJ caught a bunch of heat for it, and that was in the 90's i think. As I said it has been going on for years. At least now it will actually beneffit our country, instead of target legitimate citizens. |
TheWatcher (OP) User ID: 903601 United States 04/23/2010 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because there is such a problem with illegal german immigrants in AZ? First of all, i doubt you could tell the difference between someone born in Berlin, and someone born in Tempe AZ, while driving. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 940123It's easy, if you are an immigrant, here legally, have your documents on you to prove it. If you have done nothing wrong, and have nothing to hide, then you dont have anything to worry about. That's my point. They can basically pull you over for anything and then say that you looked like an illegal alien....No matter what the color of your skin is. So get an attorney, and go to court. Maybe even file a harrasement complaint against the police, but like I said , IF YOU HAVENT DONE ANYTHING WRONG, YOU WONT BE ARRESTED, and it wont even go to court. Why is this hard to understand? This is no different than the situation now. It's funny how often I was pulled over by police between the ages of 16-26. Police see a car full of young kids at a light, and a man in his 30's-40's, the cop will be yanking the kids. That is Profiling. Police look for young kids with hat on backwards, or stickers on his car, and pull them over. That is profiling. They profiled black people to the point that the Gov of NJ caught a bunch of heat for it, and that was in the 90's i think. As I said it has been going on for years. At least now it will actually beneffit our country, instead of target legitimate citizens. I hope you are right... |
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snark Forum Administrator User ID: 817630 United States 04/23/2010 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to azgovernor.gov] FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Paul Senseman April 23, 2010 (602) 542-1342 [email protected] STATEMENT BY GOVERNOR JAN BREWER “Thank you for being here today, to join me as we take another step forward in protecting the state of Arizona. The bill I’m about to sign into law – Senate Bill 1070 – represents another tool for our state to use as we work to solve a crisis we did not create and the federal government has refused to fix … … The crisis caused by illegal immigration and Arizona’s porous border. This bill, the Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act, strengthens the laws of our state. It protects all of us, every Arizona citizen and everyone here in our state lawfully. And, it does so while ensuring that the constitutional rights of ALL in Arizona remain solid -- stable and steadfast. I will now sign Senate Bill 1070. For weeks, this legislation has been the subject of vigorous debate and intense criticism. My decision to sign it was by no means made lightly. I have listened patiently to both sides. I have considered the significance of this new law long into the night. I have prayed for strength and prayed for our state. I’ve decided to sign Senate Bill 1070 into law because, though many people disagree, I firmly believe it represents what’s best for Arizona. Border-related violence and crime due to illegal immigration are critically important issues to the people of our state, to my Administration and to me, as your Governor and as a citizen. There is no higher priority than protecting the citizens of Arizona. We cannot sacrifice our safety to the murderous greed of drug cartels. We cannot stand idly by as drop houses, kidnappings and violence compromise our quality of life. We cannot delay while the destruction happening south of our international border creeps its way north. We in Arizona have been more than patient waiting for Washington to act. But decades of federal inaction and misguided policy have created a dangerous and unacceptable situation. Yesterday, I announced the steps I was taking to enhance security along our border. Today – with my unwavering signature on this legislation – Arizona strengthens its security WITHIN our borders. Let me be clear, though: My signature today represents my steadfast support for enforcing the law — both AGAINST illegal immigration AND against racial profiling. This legislation mirrors federal laws regarding immigration enforcement. Despite erroneous and misleading statements suggesting otherwise, the new state misdemeanor crime of willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document is adopted, verbatim, from the same offense found in federal statute. I will NOT tolerate racial discrimination or racial profiling in Arizona. Because I feel so strongly on this subject, I worked for weeks with legislators to amend SB 1070, to strengthen its civil rights protections. That effort led to new language in the bill, language prohibiting law enforcement officers from “solely considering race, color, or national origin in implementing the requirements of this section…” The bill already required that it “shall be implemented in a manner consistent with federal laws regulating immigration, protecting the civil rights of all persons and respecting the privileges and immunities of United States citizens.” While the general protection was already included, I believe the issue is so important, we needed to make it CRYSTAL clear. And I believe that we need to more than simply inscribe it in statute. Words in a law book are of no use if our police officers are not properly trained on the provisions of SB 1070, including its civil rights provisions. Today I am issuing an executive order directing the Arizona Peace Officer Standards and Training Board – AZPOST -- to develop training to appropriately implement SB 1070. Importantly, this training will include what DOES – and DOES NOT – constitute “reasonable suspicion” that a person is not legally present in the United States. Currently, AZPOST serves approximately 170 law enforcement agencies encompassing over 16,000 sworn peace officers, 9,000 correctional service officers, and 16 training academies. The AZPOST Board of Directors includes the Arizona Attorney General, the Directors of the Arizona Department of Public Safety, the Arizona Department of Corrections, several county sheriffs, and local police departments. I am also asking the Board to make recommendations on possible improvements to SB 1070 before the end of the year. For 28 years in public service, I have worked without fail to solve problems diligently and practically. I have done so always with an eye toward civility, and always with the greatest respect for the rule of law. This new law is no different: As committed as I am to protecting our state from crime associated with illegal immigration I am EQUALLY committed to holding law enforcement accountable should this statute ever be misused to violate an individual’s rights. Respect for the rule of law means respect for every law. I have led that way every day in every office I have ever held. That will not change. I have also spent my career in service to Arizona working to bring people together, no matter the color of their skin and no matter the depth of our disagreements. This bill – and this issue – will be no exception. While protecting our citizens is paramount, it cannot come at the expense of the diversity that has made Arizona so great. Nor can safety mean a compromise of freedom for some, while we, the many, turn a blind eye. We must acknowledge the truth – people across America are watching Arizona, seeing how we implement this law, ready to jump on even the slightest misstep. Some of those people from outside our state have an interest in seeing us fail. They will wait for a single slip-up, one mistake, and then they will work day and night to create headlines and get the face time they so desperately covet. We cannot give them that chance. We must use this new tool wisely, and fight for our safety with the honor Arizona deserves. We must react calmly. We must enforce the law evenly, and without regard to skin color, accent, or social status. We must prove the alarmists and the cynics wrong. I know in my heart that this great state, my home for more than 40 years, is up to the task. I believe every one of us wants to be safe, and none of us wants to compromise on the subject of civil rights. I believe we must love and honor those who fight beside us – just as we must love and honor those who look and believe nothing like we do. I believe Arizona, like America, is governed by laws. Good laws … well-intentioned laws … laws that confer respect and that demand respect in return. In his third State of the Union address, President Theodore Roosevelt said, “No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man's permission when we require him to obey it. Obedience to the law is demanded as a right; not asked as a favor.” So, let us move forward -- ever mindful of our rights … -- ever faithful to the law … and ever conscious of our bond as Arizonans, and the blessing we share together. Thank you.” ### T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. 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Anonymous Coward User ID: 951245 United States 04/23/2010 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look we have a HUGE immigration issue in this country. But stopping people in the streets is so FUBAR it's incredible. Who's next? Blacks? White men between the ages of 18 and 34 because we all know that is the target demographic of "lone gun men". Start with securing the border and limiting visas. Not terrorizing citizens. Because under our CONSTITUION you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Ig they are in this country we MUST presume them to be legal. |
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TheWatcher (OP) User ID: 903601 United States 04/23/2010 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This was the right thing to do....anyone who can't see that...wears an ass for a hat. Quoting: Johnny RingoI'm not arguing about if it was the right thing to do. Hell, I don't even live in Arizona. I just hope this isn't a sign of something else in the works....That's all. But I hope they DO catch more illegal aliens then. What they SHOULD do is lock them up in the FEMA camps and make them work for thier room and board. Don't send them back. Don't deport them. They just come back with 10 more of their buddies. Lock them up. 30 years. Then if they are still alive, send them back. They will be too old to make the trip again by way of smuggling. |
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TheWatcher (OP) User ID: 903601 United States 04/23/2010 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look we have a HUGE immigration issue in this country. But stopping people in the streets is so FUBAR it's incredible. Who's next? Blacks? White men between the ages of 18 and 34 because we all know that is the target demographic of "lone gun men". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 951245Start with securing the border and limiting visas. Not terrorizing citizens. Because under our CONSTITUION you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Ig they are in this country we MUST presume them to be legal. That is the point I was trying to make. Thank you. |
TheWatcher (OP) User ID: 903601 United States 04/23/2010 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look we have a HUGE immigration issue in this country. But stopping people in the streets is so FUBAR it's incredible. Who's next? Blacks? White men between the ages of 18 and 34 because we all know that is the target demographic of "lone gun men". Quoting: TheWatcherStart with securing the border and limiting visas. Not terrorizing citizens. Because under our CONSTITUION you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Ig they are in this country we MUST presume them to be legal. That is the point I was trying to make. Thank you. It smacks of the NAZI SS asking you for your papers to make sure you weren't a Jew. It just looks.....not right... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 951245 United States 04/23/2010 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look we have a HUGE immigration issue in this country. But stopping people in the streets is so FUBAR it's incredible. Who's next? Blacks? White men between the ages of 18 and 34 because we all know that is the target demographic of "lone gun men". Quoting: TheWatcherStart with securing the border and limiting visas. Not terrorizing citizens. Because under our CONSTITUION you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Ig they are in this country we MUST presume them to be legal. That is the point I was trying to make. Thank you. It smacks of the NAZI SS asking you for your papers to make sure you weren't a Jew. It just looks.....not right... EXACTLY. There will be no end to the tyranny if this bill stands. Come on GLP!!! Use your critical thinking skills? Do you not think it's OH SO CONVENIENT that they usher in this bill to kick off the tyrannical suppression of our civil rights by using it first against a group that is a huge hot button wedge issue within the country? What better way to get people to gladly accept this tyranny than to use it first against "illegal". I hope you people are smarter when the RFID gets ushered in under the guise of something just as convenient. |
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