Israel's Secret Relationship with Apartheid South Africa

Was Israel the only violator of the arms embargo on South Africa?

No, just the most significant one. There were violations. The significance of the Israeli case was the systematic, consistent, and large scale trade that was going on, and the fact that it was being handled at the highest ministerial level - the highest level of government negotiating and approving these deals rather than occasional transfers here and there. It's a question of scale and how important it was to the South Africans.

There were many but after 1977 there were very few who were willing to sell weapons after the mandatory US arms embargo.

In the 1980s Israel was really the only avenue for South Africa in many areas of military hardware, especially aircraft and missile technology.

And once you look at the real numbers - roughly $10bn over 20 years just in arms, South Africa becomes one of Israel's biggest trading partners and it's perfectly fair to single them out.

Did Israeli cooperation with South Africa, in defiance of the arms embargo, specifically enable Apartheid?

Some technology is explicitly and clearly useful for domestic purposes: anti-riot equipment, ammunition. It's true that a lot of technology wasn't necessarily going to be used on black protestors in townships - the broader argument is that states survive as a result of their military prowess and their deterrent capability; and so strengthening the military establishment of any country contributes to its overall security and viability. If everyone had boycotted South Africa, and no one had sold arms to them, it would have appeared weaker and crumbled sooner.

You dont know your History my freind, you have opened your anus and let out a lot of hot air.

Once the Israeli security establishment accepts that Apartheid is finished - and that doesn't really happen until 1988/1989, then they start to panic because there's all of this Israeli technology in South Africa and this new government starts to come to power and they fear that the new government might transfer some of the technologies to their friends.

When we learn to mind our own business..it makes for a peacefull world. Owning an item..and using an item are two different things. Israel wants to play in the big league..so be it..what they do is all that counts. Until they screw up leave them be with their shiny toys..
South Africa too...

Al-jazeera? Really, OP?

Go spread your Muslim propaganda elsewhere!

This ideological identification can be traced very far back and their similar worldviews underline the revisionist Zionist perspective and the Afrikaner nationalist perspective.

And they looked at [Yasser] Arafat and the PLO [Palestine Liberation Organization] and Nelson Mandela through the same lens. It's this common worldview and identification and empathy.

If you study the facts..its quite clear that Israel and South Africa were involved on multiple levels.
His interpretation without supporting links and factual doccumetation is open for discussion.
Insults dont move this conversation forward..OPEN YOUR EYES..oh sorry they are open...

If that is what you call the truth.

OP, do u understand that EVERY nation/country has their corruption? Or are you just focusing on what you have been told year after year?

This week, newspapers around the world received reports and signed documents from South Africa. The reports said that, in 1975, Israel agreed to sell South Africa nuclear weapons. South Africa then released an arms agreement signed by current Israeli President Shimon Peres. This is the document “heard round the world.”

Meetings being held in New York to set up a conference for 2012 to guarantee that the Middle East is nuclear free. Israel has been informed that it will not be able to hide behind denials and that the nuclear arsenal put on the sale block by Israel in 1975 and nobody knows how many times since, has to go. When Israel was finally caught, it changed at least one part of a game, but the game will go on. South Africa’s willingness to come forward has shocked the world only because of the selfless honesty of the act, something unseen, something clean and decent. Imagine, the fall of Israel at the hands of an innocent.


PERES SIGNATURE ON THE ILLEGAL AGREEMENT
What does it mean? Neither South Africa nor Israel are admitting that the nukes were delivered. General beliefs are that they were, a real shock to Nelson Mandela when he took office, from prisoner of apartheid to commander of a nuclear power. What is proven by this is that Israel was, even 35 years ago, a nuclear state, in direct violation of numerous international treaties. It also proves that Israel offered nukes to South Africa, a rogue nation under sanctions that covered not only any weapons but trade as well. This made Israel a criminal state and Mr. Peres a war criminal.

More than that, it makes any aid America gives Israel illegal. If Israel is nuclear, which is now official, and in violation of international treaties, just as with Iraq and Iran, then America has to demand inspections and disarmament. There is no choice. This is the law. Law for Iran, law for Iraq is also law for Israel. Israel has expected this day for years. The US can’t give or sell arms to any country with an illegal nuclear arsenal. Worse than this, we are sworn to defend the world from any nation that would spread nuclear weapons, a charge made by the South African government, one that has been made before, but can no longer be ignored.


[link to www.veteranstoday.com]

How has the book been received in Israel and South Africa?

It's gotten a lot of press in both places. The Jewish community - both within my family and outside it is not very happy. There are people within my own family who are very upset about this.

F.W. de Klerk, the former South African prime minister, has come out and criticised the nuclear allegations in a much less convincing way. In Botha's case, the defence ministry always kept the foreign ministry in the dark so of course he wouldn't have known. In de Klerk's case he was just misleading people.

Sasha Polakow-Suransky, a senior editor at Foreign Affairs, poured through 7,000 pages of never-before-seen classified South African documents while researching his book, Israel's Secret Relationship with Apartheid South Africa.

[link to english.aljazeera.net]

I am waiting 19teen.47 come with her pictures sexual pictures and stupid bible verses to prove this article is not true and Israel never had break any INTERNATIONAL LAW.

I am want hear what JADR will use as trick to divert the subject of this thread. Perhaps he will point a fact in history 2000 years ago to justify the Israel criminal activity.

Where is GAIA? She lost her job here? I really she come here with her skills in pseudo-jornalism. I am sure she will "copy and paste" a article which prove this be wrong.

Eggroll! Leave the breakfeast and please, come to use your reverse psychology to convice us that is OK, no problem sell ilegal nuclear devices to any nation in the world. The next customers will be Mexico I guess.

TexGal4Truth already came here! Her dumbness did not allow her even understand the legal violation of international law, but I think we should look at her question: "What I hear year after year?".

Hey Grizzled Old Goat, where are you? Bring your inteligent comment to help us understand why Israel can be a criminal state while others have to respect the international law.

It is anyone I forgot to add in my list? If so, sorry, I just wake-up...

People do sleep ya know. I've seen the trolling messages you have left for me on threads that have nothing to do with any of this.

You like conflict.

Go back to bed.

OP, I am not a expertise in international politics, but I risk to say that this is just the begin.

I think Israel did not produced bombs just to "self-defence". The Zionist government was quite aware of the conflicts happening in the world and had sell more nuclear devices that you can figure out.

Right now South Africa should be just one country that now the international community know have Israeli nuclear devices.

My question is: who are the others?

How many states of even terrorist groups which made a deal with Israel and had a nuclear device with them?

This decade will be full of surprises coming from Israel.

What I hear everyday in movies and mainstream media is how good are the jews and what victims they are.

indeed. The world has been set up by these monsters for MAD
Mutually Assured Destruction.

Really, people sleep? Wow, you so smart...

I LOVE A CONFLICT!

Want come back to bed with me? If you are the person in the avatar picture, you worth share a bed with me.

No. I was molested by a dirty old pedophile,

And I am posting from jail because I killed the bastard.

Don't bend down to pick up that bar of soap in the shower.

Uh, I thought this was a serious thread ?

This relationship between Israel and apartheid South Africa is an established fact, but now the cutie pictures.... nice cuties. Doesn't change the fact that Israel was seriously in bed with the apartheid South Africans, which is clearly reflected in the quasi apartheid we see out of Israel itself.

The responses to this MIGHT be:

1) "who cares this was the 80s"

2) "all nations are fucked up with their dealings, look at the USA"

3) "it's all just money"

4) "israel needed strong allies and so that's ok then"

etc.

Not one line attacks on the OP or cutie pictures - let's talk about this frankly, come on now. Nobody is accusing "all Joos" of anything, I'm sure the hotties of Tel Aviv also want to know why their state so lavishly and enthusiastically supported a regime that foisted brutal racist rape exploitation and torture on millions of black people.