Transforming and transitioning the predator/prey dynamic...how WILL it be done?

Well, I have reiterated my point of subject a number of times along the way of this thread as I have realized my mistake. I think that if all of my posts are read then any vagueness is cleared up. Such has not served to sea change the thread flow, though.

Perhaps it is that I should just let it go belly up, and try again at a more opportune moment, like when again another window of opportunity is open and the ambient energy is more conducive to such a consciousness exercise.

Psemeni i think you are brave, intelligent, intuative and vital.

i feel for your emotions right now cos you also know there are others whom could assist you and i`m sure your perplexed why their support is not forth coming

i know this myself so i hope i`m not putting my feelings onto you but i don`t think i am

i believe your clarity is great considering you are feeling much more than you can at present place into sequences of words

i love you for that fact more than ever, i can not imagine what would happen if there were not psemeni`s to feel it before others and yourself see it and whom are brave enough to come on line with those feelings, soly to assist others awareness

you help me that`s for sure

BIG HUG

perhaps you are right/ Start a new thread. Keep it a little shorter. Maybe I am just dense but I still don't have a clear understanding of what you are wanting. Sorry

what mistake....don`t make the mistake of listening to others bullshit of how you conduct yourself.

fuck that , if it feels right to you DO IT

trust everybody will come up with beyond your imagination reasons to make you feel bad

why

cos if your right

they are wrong

and being right appears more important to them than being wrong

which is the direct opposite to my experiences when i`m wrong

being wrong gets me right

being wrong gets me right

cos i listen like you do

field, lovey, thank you so much for your understanding.

Regarding the bold part of your post: As much as six or so years ago I would feel and see - experience - a certain energy movement-something (whether difficult/negative or enlightening/positive) a full two weeks before others, and do so alone (at least *thinking* I was alone by gauging this within the limited scope of my peer group). My ability to do this was observed by a few others besides myself.

As time has passed over the years the amount of time has lessened to something more along the lines of a five day period, and then a three day period. And now, just recently, it has been experienced not alone, by myself, and within the moment...albeit only by a few others.

And although my scope of observation is limited and there are (I hope) likely others having the same rate of awareness changes as do I, I think we are far and few in between. So, given this observation over the trek of the years, it is very heartening for me to see this gap in awareness of total environment beginning to close. Slowly but surely there is progress being made.

On the thread I began last Monday I noted that there's a 100th Monkey type of phenomenon involved in this grand transitional process we're in, that once that just one more human being "pops" their glass ceiling of awareness, then we're readied for the transitioning process to come to fruition. The whole process does rely on more than just this one more human being, in the biggest of picture, but wherein opportunity abounds we as a group of souls having a particular experience must meet that opportunity all the way, we must be able to immerse ourselves in it awarefully...this is quite the simplistic way to describe what is actually an involved process, but it does cut to the core of OUR process within the greater process that is serving to shift consciousness within not only us, but others (entities and planets) in this universe.

A friend of mine and I were chuckling about this the other day, about how driven I am to find that 100th Monkey, that just one more human being who will be the one to tip the scales. I WANT to find this person. I WANT to touch their life so that they pop and shatter that glass ceiling. And if it's not me (and I'm quite okay with that, I have no savior complex), then I WANT someone else to do it. The means to the ends is far, far greater than just me.

We, much of Humanity, are on a journey to liberation despite everything our reality environment throws at us day in and day out. Our spirits cry out for liberation. We may express/feel our desire for such liberation differently, we may act on that desire and educate others using differentiating modalities, yet even within our differences our goal is to the same end...we desire personal and collective, unimpeded upon, sovereignty.

I will always continue on with my quest. I simply have no choice. What good is knowing what I know, experiencing what I experience, if I sit on it? It's actually a waste of energy for me not to act.

So I didn't do a great job with this thread, and I own that and have learned something from it. I've done well before, and I'll do even better, later, because of what I've learned here.

field, that you say that I've helped you along the way has served to help dissolve my feelings of failure. For that I am grateful.

Also, because I have been in such a position of feeling about this the way I have, I have received some guidance (from what I'll note is my supra-consciousness) on how to move forward. It does seem as though it will be best to approach the consciousness exercise at a later time when a window of opportunity does again open...and it most assuredly will.

To be frankly honest, even given my wherewithal to traverse energy fields it's difficult even for me to access that place where time/space is collapsed like it was during that two to three weeks in July...just because of the interactive nature of the grand scale process.

Gosh, I so wish I could express with efficacy the interactiveness that exists beyond just what we know...I can feel its sophistication and elegance, I can honor its intelligence even though it's a neutral force that leaves it to us to make our way under our own steam, instead of just magically transforming our reality environment because it would be the fair thing to do, as we define fair.

This cosmic force is not a God, it's not a savior or Angels, it's an opportunity, a neutrally creative field of potential that hasn't been available for ages and is only just recently reaching us in waves, exponentially. Because of this neutrality, if we just sit idly by merely wishing for a better living environment, or expecting an outside force like a God or a savior or Angels to right our world, rather than taking personal responsibility and seeking it with all we've got - like our lives depend on it, as they do - then we'll get nowhere better than here, or not much better than here.

As a neutral creative force it doesn't have "saving us" within its intelligence. Such a notion does not exist within that force. It is judgment free. Although this judgment free nature may seem cruel and pitiless (and makes a God or savior or Angles sound a whole helluva lot better), it is actually in our best interest, as long as we act with our best interest in mind and heart and KNOW what we want...(oh!) more than what we don't want.

And now, through my rambling on here, I most pointedly see how by starting this thread's opening post the way I did I was actually defining what it is that's not wanted as a means to an end of seeking what is wanted. This defied the purpose from moment one.

So, to (lol) stop my rambling (even though I've in the end learned something valuable by doing so) the exercise is best saved for a time when it actually has the greatest opportunity to be exercised and have an affective outcome as a learning experience, within a wave of open window opportunity. So I will honor that guidance and wait until the appropriate time, and try again.

This doesn't mean that nothing of value has come from this thread because those of us who've participated have been thinking critically, and that's always good.

As soon as the time is right I will try again. I will try again so that perhaps the 100th Monkey person is able to pop their glass ceiling and such serves to tip the scale and shatter the collective consciousness ties that bind us.

As I think you'll see in my last post your note of "being wrong gets me right" is actually true. It took me a bit, but I got there.

Love you, field...

Thanks OP. I really enjoyed yor last two posts. Yes it would seem that the hundreth monkey and tipping point is what we are seeking one monkey at a time. I hope I am around when you reopen the discussion about predator/prey dynamics. But perhaps there is another way of looking at the relationship. Most relationships are mutual, in that both parties believe in some way they are benefiting from the experince. Once again I would point out the misguided concepts, as I know you are aware of on many levels of looking outside of ourselves for our salvation, but when taken perhaps one or perhaps two steps farther new vista open to our understanding of the relationship between predator and prey and just perhaps it is in our best interest, as you have pointed out that it should be this way. Peace, love and joy on your journey.

Wow, fabulous thread, OP (quoting this because I hate those people that do full quotes on huge articles).

We have to stop feeding The Beast. In order to do that, we must achieve mastery over our own thoughts, each and every one of us. If you've ever tried meditation, you know how terribly hard it can be to silence that pitter-pattering internal dialogue that is thinking of dinner, and sleeping, and sex, and bills and what have you. The duality dynamic keeps us pinned against an internal adversary, when really the adversary is our own negativity. We must rise ABOVE duality internally to achieve the effect we want externally. A basic tenet of most martial arts is that the battle is WITHIN, not without. Most people not only cannot accept that, they cannot even SEE it. When we can silence the warring halves within each of us, there will be world peace. The trick is that each of us has to do it ourselves, as we are truly responsible, all of us, for what the world is showing us (a concept I first understood when studying Jung's idea of the "constellation of the archetypes" - that what is unresolved inside becomes reflected outside of us). After 40+ years of working on it, I am finally getting to the point where I can almost completely control myself almost all of the time....still working on it, but I can't tell you how, because awakening is different for each person who experiences it, unique, highly PERSONAL and very individual. But I will say this, if a stubborn, opinionated, sometimes irrational, sometimes rational person like me can do it, then anyone can do it.

And I wish you all rapid success in SELF-fulfilment!

I WANT THE TRUTH, I NEED THE TRUTH, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. TELL ME THE TRUTH!!!!!!
THE TRUTH IS SOMEONE WHO HAS TO STAND A POST ON THE WALL.

TO STAND ON THE TRUTH.

YOU MAY NOT LIKE HOW I DO IT, BUT YOU DEPEND ON THE FACT THAT I STAND ON THE WALL EVERY DAY.
SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE HOW I DO IT, I SUGGEST YOU PICK UP THE WORD, SHARPER THAN ANY TWO EDGED SWORD AND STAND A POST ON THE WALL.

THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH IS EVERYTHING. THE LIE IS EVERYTHING ELSE.

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thanks for that post Psemeni, for me your writings contain information that i literally see forming into awareness, just as you feel before happening, i`m seeing it within your words prior to it`s overall coherence.

thanks for that

you are an accurate antenna i know from my own experiences and it never crossed my mind that what i was experiencing is linked to "windows of awarness" but you have told me and i know it to be true

this will make a big difference in my relationships because i never until now considered the reason for others fluctuations in receptivity to be anything more than their switching on or off for unknown emotional reasons

because i could never detect the reason i considered it a hidden emotional mind game of purpose to "play" with me

how about that for missing the f*** obviuos

wow , so new field from today and i can not overestimate the impact it will have when i see/feel the change in others and either step back or step forward in the certain knowledge that their alterations are caused by their environment and not their feeling towards me

fuck i still can not believe i never saw/new that!

that`s a joke, think of all the shit i`ve written about this as if i don`t exist!!

Psemeni i`ve always acted/thought as if i`m not here! i thought in 3rd person and lived like it to, not part of what i`m in, that`s why i miss the fucking obvious!

as i`m "grounding" i can and do see the obvious now you have told me!

hug, hug, hug

and now i know why

i exist experiencing constant effect

like light always motions at constant, no matter how bright or dim is shines, the information (motion/force) contained within it is always the same

like if someone shouts (brighter) or wispers (dimmer) the same word, the information is the word

it never crossed my mind until today that not all experience energy constant IE: it matters not the intesity or scacity ,the information contained within it is understood without thought to the scale of it`s delivery

i only notice high`s or lows in energy by the effects on other things like sun, planets, weather, people, animals , the feelings received from other material objects which i know reflects their effects

i knew that with inamate objects and things like electrons but fuc**** me I never thought it through this way before and applied it to living

where was my sense on this???

field, taking your last two posts into consideration I'll offer this as a way of understanding...I do see and feel that you're have a bit of a light bulb moment today. Yippe-yay!







While there are some beautiful and joyous, and fun and intriguing, aspects to our reality environment, for many it's just more difficult and inhospitable, than not. These can take the form of anything from social infrastuctures designed to "enslave," to weather, to human on human relationships...this is just how inundated we are with difficulty.

For some, especially the hyper-sensitive, the difficulties are just so overwhelming that we consciously or unconsciously dissociate from our environment. Some part of us says I can't deal with this horror show and we kind of bug out while still in body. It's not necessarily a psychotic break or clinical depression, but it's a type of spirit dissociation all the same.

We don't know how to "handle" it because of how what we see happening all around us is so out of our control and downright hateful at times, and our hearts and spirits (especially the hearts and spirits of soul evoluted ones who at least feel if not know there's otherwise better) simply are unable to identify with it...and we just dissociate. It's a coping and survival mechanism, and we become unattached bystanders in life so that we don't have to take all of this discourse quite so personally, so we don't hurt so bad.

Hopefully the above helps you to understand your question better.

The thing is, my friend, once we are able to again fully engage life - through whatever healthy means it is we are able to do so - is when we are able to resume our growth interpersonally, with others, within our reality environment, and most importantly, within our energy bodies.

I see how for you your light bulb moment has provided a sense of liberation, yes?

You are now seeing others as you have interacted with them and will further interact with them in a whole new light of understanding...and your head and heart become not so heavy. In the future you'll be able to observe what's happening with others and your relationship to them with more of a sense of understanding and compassion, rather than with a hurt that compounds dissociative tendencies.

The fabulous thing is, once able to garner this understanding and sense of compassion we can then, whether subtly or not so subtly, affect others with such compassion and perhaps lighten their heavy load. And even better, such the capacity for understanding and compassion most assuredly has an affect on our energy bodies, and our energetic vibrational rates increase. We become stronger in all ways mind, body, and ehteric-spirit.

Given a higher vibrational energy body we are also better enabled to meet and greet, interact with, these windows of opportunity as they wave through our environment, to learn and grow from within the experience of them...this creating an even higher vibrational rate of personal energy field.

It's so win-win-win it makes me lighthearted with joy.

You are now seeing others as you have interacted with them and will further interact with them in a whole new light of understanding...and your head and heart become not so heavy. In the future you'll be able to observe what's happening with others and your relationship to them with more of a sense of understanding and compassion, rather than with a hurt that compounds dissociative tendencies.

i am Psemeni and what you have done for me is enable me reach an awareness of something that has perplexed me all my life until this day

i can become sexualy attracted easily but attraction emotionaly is rare for me. the person must be transmitting feelings which fit my own on the metaphysical spectrum as well as the physical.

i have learnt 2 things in the past 2 weeks.

people most often radiate metaphysical signals unconsciously

those that do radiated signals fluctuate and the signal strong enough to attract me is because the cause of their raised metaphysical signal is the environments effect upon them, while it lasts

can you imagine what that has been like on occasions when , as a constant metaphysical signal, i go from a cat on heat
in contact with radiating person to cat on heat and everybody looking at me as if i am odd, cos their signal died

it`s funny now and i`m laughing as i write but it did not appear funny to me until now

what i am aware of thanks to you also Psemeni is when this occurs and signal dies, forget drama, walk away, because it`s nobodies fault, it`s just how it is

hug

Do not teach to control, teach to transform. We're all equals on this planet. Control issues are a form of insecurity. Hope that helps.

update

i forgot Psemeni, the topic that prompted those conversatios is

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those are not my quotes above but a scientist whom is participating in the discussion

i forgot Psemeni, the topic that prompted those conversatios is
Universe Consists Of Consciousness


only those are mine

I'd like to add to the discussion here regarding the predator/prey dynamic.

The idea VERSUS is what becomes the issue here, not the EXISTENCE of this dynamic. To further the point I will provide examples and explanation below.

Consider:

Black vs. White

Positive vs. Negative

Good vs. Bad

Predator vs. Prey

Pleasure vs. Pain

Right vs. Left

....etc.

To overstand, rather than understand these phenomena, it is imperative that the INTERrelationship between these seemingly conflictive and opposing forces, be observed. There is no VERSUS, there is only a collective of phenomena which serve to promote a balance by exchanging energies. And this exchange perpetuates a balanced form of unseen/indescribable energy of it's own which can only be experienced by transcending the VERSUS idiom.

Think of each seemingly opposing force and consider them as two double-helixical forms spiralling in accordance with one another, in symmetrical pattern. Picture within the center of these two helixes a pole running north to south. As the spiral energy and force increases and the helixes wind tighter, faster, together through centrifugal and/or centripetal force, they wind around this pole until all three points converge and become one.


To transcend the predator/prey dynamic, on must locate that central pole, and consider the interrelation of the two - find where they converge. It is from this perspective that one will observe the two to be one and the same.

you mean the same dynamic that had a 28 year old interested in a 14 year old? Genetic engineering could actually be a boon here... all people with trait undesirable to the herd could be culled out.

You are comparing apples to oranges, and in doing so have missed the entire point.

i rarely respond to anything at glp, though i come here often for inspiration/ideas

this reminds me of joseph campbell, i'll paraphrase him asking a venerated elder of something, "how do you and I say NO to all the badness in the world?" And the monk answers, "For you and I, the challenge is to say YES"

Humans are more than they appear to be, and also at different stages of growth

whatever created this universe embedded predator/prey into it

but also embedded the intuitive desire in some to transcend this model

so it's not a matter of 'fixing' anything, the system is perfectly designed

my two cents: concentrate on yourself, your own desires and failings - work on those, and you fulfill your destiny

nice thread, it's okay to be lonely...

Fascinating thread, I am going to have to come back to it and read through it more carefully. This is a topic I am very passionate about, and from a very young age this lifetime for me has been about overcoming subjugation - from others but also to finally face and transform the predator in me, the part of me that held on to false beliefs, criticised and was self-loathing and self-abandoning. It's work in progress of course and will be till leaving this present body but it is incredible how quickly one can transform when the steps taken are authentic ones.

It is interesting that the symptoms of malignant pathology meet many of the predator descriptions. From my own experiences and observations, whether predator or prey, each has the choice at any point to overcome his sickness. From my experience though it will be the downtrodden who stand first and face their own internal predator and set boundaries with the external ones manifesting in their lives (in every layer of society). Only when there is no-where left to project their shadows, will the egos of the predatory externalisers finally crack and will they be able to face themselves.

Each one of us has self-responsibility to transform ourselves, we do not have to point out to others what they must change but focus only on our own progress. The benefits of this are multifold.

Learning how to set boundaries and limits are essential to our progress

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Bumping for truth

Thanks for the bump, Pharista.

I am working on a rather lengthy post regarding the consciousness raising aspect of this thread - lol, and not the part that was misunderstood or misconstrued - but I think I'll start a new thread with it...if I even decide to post it.

I hope you decide to make the new thread Psemeni. Words will always be misconstrued to greater or lesser degrees, they are a poor medium to express experiences that can only be known and felt on a psychic or spiritual level. I have enjoyed this thread very much and come back to it often.

I see the predator/prey dynamic everywhere I look. I used to be unwitting prey, that's because my past traumas were repressed into the shadows of my consciousness, I did not know that I considered myself a victim. Now, for the most part the worst of the false beliefs are out in the light and I find myself walking amongst both predators and prey and I am able to remain (for the most part) unaffected by both.

It is a liberating way of being, but it has only been possible after processing my own unconscious shadows (inc my own inner predator/critic) as they come to the surface of my awareness through dreams and situations that manifest in my life. Studying carefully the dynamics of predatory and prey behaviour such as narcissism, personality disorders, psychopathology, ptsd and cptsd has also helped me understand both ends of the spectrum and most importantly myself. It has given me the freedom to bring change to myself and my life.

For anyone who finds themselves caught up in the position of prey, here is a link to a comprehensive list of disordered (predatory) behaviours, the problem is that in unconscious victim awareness we become unwitting enablers of our own abuse - this works from the individual level right up to a global scale:-

[link to www.outofthefog.net]

Reclaiming our authentic nature and taking self responsibility for everything in our realm of experience is of paramount importance imo.

Last Edited by Pharista on 05/26/2011 06:46 AM

Where have you gone Psemeni? Return to us

Last Edited by Pharista on 04/15/2012 11:01 PM

Theory:

Perhaps it is conciousness itself that has been foisted upon us by this "predatory force" (as described by the OP) so that it may feed on our misery? Maybe we were once just like the animals around us, oblivious to right and wrong, good and bad, merely existing. Then maybe one day this "predatory force" shows up and gives us concious awareness (maybe using genetic engineering, who knows go wild) this is the bible story with eve eating from the tree of knowledge. Maybe we are just animals who's MINDS have been pulled into a higher dimensional existence. This higher dimensional mind can no longer correctly process programs of the lower dimensional world in which it exists. One of the these programs being the predatory prey dynamic. This clash of dimensional existence drives man mad and results in unconquerable duality, cognitive dissonance and eventually his spiritual death and harvest by this "predatory force".

"Sin" is the glitch that occurs when 2 incompatible dimensions clash.

Who knows? Just a crazy theory I had after reading this thread Haha. Note: Not I'm not a religitard, I just think the bible as ancient as it is, may contain some valid simplistic metaphors for an exponentially more complex existence.

This is the OP, now registered with different user name.

Pharista, dear sister, I hope you see that I'm active on this thread again, at least for the time being...hmmm, if there's anyone reading this thread who is upgraded and can PM her, would you please PM her to let her know?

Thank you very much to whoever might do so...





Well, this theory is one not proposed by myself, alone. This 'feeding on our misery' has been subject matter discussed by quite a few over the years, including some channeled material. I'm noting this just in case you didn't know that I'm not unique in this line of thinking.





Given I have had a brief memory of what it was like to be a fully DNA stranded human being I'd like to comment about this--

In a sense you are correct in supposing that we were once like the animals around us, but it wasn't just the animals, it was everything, including flora, fauna...the entire environment...the air, the water, etc..

As best as I know, this realm of beingness in the originally created earth is the definitive epitome of "All is One," and is where the saying originates for/from, and perhaps (as I am apt to think) is in all actuality the only place it has application. In essence of being, within the essence of the originally created realm of existence, there was most essentially no separation of being...

...I remember that when I popped into the fully stranded DNA human form - after (shoo-whee) I acclimated myself to my body and surroundings - I found the originally created human form is remarkably different (though somewhat alike) from what we're in now. I was amazed at the sense of belonging I felt; it's such a vast departure from what is felt here and now, myself and others all so often feeling like strangers in a strange land, and like we don't belong here. There just was not a knowledge or thought-one that I didn't belong there...there wasn't a need to even have to think like that.

In that body-experience, and with wonder, I bent down and gathered a handful of dirt and felt of it...there was no difference in sensation like one would feel with dirt in their hands here and now as a two stranded DNA human being. Even though there was a difference in the expression of appearance of being, there very simply was no ruffness, no coarseness, no feeling of moisture or dryness between the dirt and my hand in the originally created earth realm. I was truly amazed. Then, upon that moment, I popped back into my body as it exists now, and did so with a lot more to think about.

I do have a 'hmmm' moment given your word choice of "oblivious"...in a sense it could be a relative word choice for description, but I think there's better...I just don't know what that exact word would be. I've thought to call it a "wise innocence," but even that falls short of descriptive correctedness, methinks.

Mostly, I think, we're just so far gone from the experience of a fully DNA stranded human being while two stranded that there's just no venacular available to describe it. It has been a source of frustration for me not to be able to do this...

...oh, lol, given some guidance I'm now to understand that "All is One" is the definitive description, ahem, whether or not one can or can't wrap their head around the truest form of meaning with regard.

I don't know if there are others who have had an experience like mine (I've not read or heard of any), my being in that originally created form - or that they would agree with me, if so - but I never, ever...just not ever...could've guessed nor imagined that "All is One" feels like it does.

I had to be there, like that, to feel it and know it. It is an outstandingly remarkable, "freshest of air" feeling...and given I'm so much touching upon it now, it is One I miss, terribly. It's enough to move myself to bereft sadness and tears.

With that, and although I've more to write in response to your post, I'm going to take a break and collect myself.

Thank you, L4U6H1N6M4N, for participating!

Good day to you and all others!...

Thank you, Ms. ArunaLuna!