Remember the reaction when Israel did this?

I really fantasize about an asteroid desecrating that whole area..

That would be awful for a Palestinian ,a Jew ,a catholic
a [insert race and religious affiliation]Who are these monsters I know mother America has plenty of blood on our hands we all do.

It's well known on this forum that when confronted with information that proves your whole theory false you simply ignore it the info.

FACT.

Palestinians have been removed from their homes to make way for Israeli settlements.

FACT

The homes removed in Afghanistan were removed because they were unoccupied and booby trapped.

Those are two TOTALLY different scenarios and are so fucking unrelated that the only reason you would even try to connect the proverbial dots would be deceive people through their emotions.

Stop the fucking games woman.

Bullshit. Every self-proclaimed conservative supports Israel and thinks that Palestinians are sub human.

It sounds like you're suggesting that Palestinians should not fight for their rightful lands. You'd rather them just line up single file for the trains?

this is what is all about.
to exchange opinions and facts without falling that low and start the insults.

Damn hun, you must know the whole world then!

THEY can't help themselves. I really do feel sorry for THEM.

I have nothing against Jews.

I have problems with people being removed from their homes because another group of people say GOD gave us this land.

That is what the Israelis are doing in the Middle east.

Israel could exist easily without taking other peoples land.

And I don't fucking care that you had it 2000 years ago.

It's not yours anymore. GOT IT.

PROVE me that ONE Palestinian was actually removed!

Honest reporting? Surely you must jest. Such a thing has not existed in decades.

what are the rights of a land that they never OWNED?

Are you talking about Tel Aviv, Haifa and etc?
Or what?
Want land?
What did you do with Gaza after was given?

Then, give a damn about what happened 62 years ago

ok?

Well, I dont...lol

It has nothing to do with that.

SHe is not voicing her opinion. She is lying to you and deceiving you by putting two totally unrelated stories together and calling the newspaper that wrote the stories hypocrites.

That is deception but blind people do not see it. You will agree with her anyway because she is a woman and your limited understanding of the Bible leads you to believe that Jews can do no wrong.

Contrary to popular belief Israel Occupies NO ARAB TERRITORIES!

In urgent matters of national survival and geopolitics, words matter. The still generally unchallenged language referring provocatively to an Israeli "Occupation" always overlooks the pertinent and incontestable history of the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza.

Perhaps the most evident omission concerns the unwitting manner in which these "Territories" fell into Israel's hands in the first place. It is simply and widely disregarded that "occupation" followed the multi-state Arab aggression of 1967 - one never disguised by Egypt, Syria or Jordan. A sovereign state of "Palestine" did not exist before 1967 or 1948. Nor was a state of "Palestine" ever promised by UN Security Council Resolution 242. Contrary to popular understanding, a state of "Palestine" has never existed. Never. Even as a non-state legal entity, "Palestine" ceased to exist in 1948, when Great Britain relinquished its League of Nations mandate. During the 1948-49 Israeli War of Independence (a war of survival fought because the entire Arab world had rejected the authoritative United Nations recommendation to create a Jewish state), the West Bank and Gaza came under the illegal control of Jordan and Egypt respectively. These Arab conquests did not put an end to an already-existing state or to an ongoing trust territory. What these aggressions did accomplish was the effective prevention, sui generis, of a state of"Palestine."

The original hopes for Palestine were dashed, therefore, not by the new Jewish state or by its supporters, but by the Arab states, especially Jordan and Egypt. Let us return to an earlier time in history. From the Biblical Period ( 1350 BCE to 586 BCE) to the British Mandate (1922 - 1948), the land named by the Romans after the ancient Philistines was controlled only by non-Palestinian elements. Significantly, however, a continuous chain of Jewish possession of the land was legally recognized after World War I, at the San Remo Peace Conference of April 1920. There, a binding treaty was signed in which Great Britain was given mandatory authority over 'Palestine' (the area had been ruled by the Ottoman Turks for 400 years since 1516) to prepare it to become the "national home for the Jewish People." Palestine, according to the Treaty, comprised territories encompassing what are now the states of Jordan and Israel, including the West Bank and Gaza. Present-day Israel comprises only 23 percent of Palestine as defined and ratified at the San Remo Peace Conference. In 1922, Great Britain with questionable authority split off 77 percent of the lands originally promised to the Jewish people - all of Palestine east of the Jordan River - and gave it to Abdullah, the non-Palestinian Arab son of the Sharif of Mecca. Eastern Palestine now t ook the name Trans-Jordan, which it retained until April 1949, when it was renamed as Jordan.

From the moment of its creation, Trans-Jordan was closed to all Jewish migration and settlement, a clear betrayal of the British promise in the Balfour Declaration of 1917, and a patent contravention of its Mandatory obligations under international law. On July 20, 1951, a Palestinian Arab assassinated King Abdullah for the latter's hostility to Palestinian Arabs aspirations and concerns. Regarding these aspirations, Jordan's "moderate" King Hussein - 19 years later, during September 1970 - brutally murdered thousands of defenseless Palestinian Arabs under "his protection."

In 1947, several years prior to Abdullah's killing, the newly-formed United Nations, rather than designate the entire land west of the Jordan River as the long-promised Jewish national homeland, enacted a second partition. Curiously, considering that this second fission again gave complete advantage to Arab interests, Jewish leaders accepted the painful recommendation. The Arab states did not. On May 15, 1948, exactly 24 hours after the State of Israel came into existence, Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League, declared to a tiny new country founded upon the ashes of the Holocaust: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre." This unambiguous declaration has been at the very heart of all subsequent Arab orientations toward Israel, including those of "moderate" Fatah.

Even by the strict legal standards of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Arab actions and attitudes toward the microscopic Jewish state in their midst has remained patently genocidal. For some reason, this persistence has repeatedly been made to appear benign.

In 1967, almost 20 years after Israel's entry into the community of nations, the Jewish state, as a result of its unexpected military victory over Arab aggressor states, gained unintended control over the West Bank and Gaza. Although the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war is codified in the UN, there existed no authoritative sovereign to whom the Territories could be "returned." Israel could hardly have been expected to transfer them back to Jordan and Egypt, which had exercised unauthorized and terribly cruel control since the Arab-initiated war of "extermination" in 1948-49.

Moreover, the idea of Palestinian Arabs "self-determination" had only just begun to emerge after the Six Day War, and - significantly - had not even been included in UN Security Council Resolution 242, which was adopted on November 22, 1967. For their part, the Arab states convened a summit in Khartoum in August 1967, concluding: "No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it ..." The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was formed three years earlier, in 1964, before there were any "Israeli Occupied Territories." Exactly what was it, therefore, that the PLO sought to "liberate" between 1964 and 1967?

This question should now be raised in connection with the US-sponsored "Road Map to peace in the Middle East," a twisted cartography leading to Palestine.

This has been a very brief account of essential historic reasons why the so-called "Palestinian Territories" are not occupied by Israel. Several other equally valid reasons stem from Israel's inherent legal right to security and self-defense. International law is not a suicide pact. Because a Palestinian Arab state would severely threaten the very existence of Israel - a fact that remains altogether unhidden in Arab media and governments - the Jewish State is under no binding obligation to end a falsely alleged "Occupation." No state can ever be required to accept complicity in its own dismemberment and annihilation. Neither Jerusalem nor Washington should be deceived by the so-called "Road Map to peace in the Middle East," a distorted bit of highway that makes entirely inaccurate claims about "Palestinian Territories" and "Israeli Occupation."

For substantially documented reasons of history and national security, it is imperative that a twenty-second Arab state never be carved out of the still-living body of Israel. If anyone should still have doubts about Palestinian Arabs' intentions, they need look only to former Prime Minister Sharon's "disengagement" from Gaza, an area that is now used by Hamas to stage rocket attacks upon Israeli noncombatants, and by al-Qaeda to mount future terrorist operations against American cities.

Professor Louis René Beres, Professor of Political Science at Purdue, was educated at Princeton (Ph.D., 1971). Born in Zurich, Switzerland, at the end of World War II, he is the author of many major books, monographs and articles dealing with international law, strategic theory, Israeli nuclear policy, and regional nuclear war. In Israel, where he served as Chair of Project Daniel, his work is known to selected military and intelligence communities.

Jews can do no wrong? Dear we ALL do wrong.

Hmm what's the death toll ratio?? like 1:1000 ... maybe that's why. Israeli militiry are cold killers.

The New York Times? MSM? BBC...always omitting the Palestinian crimes and their incitation.
The 2 stories has a lot in common.
You seems to fail to see the relation.
Not my fault.

62 years ago. When your people stole the Palestinian land.

I do give a damn about that because it continues to this day.

The conflict with your people is never ending. You always have a boogy man to sell to the unsuspecting sheep.

Your people will never live in peace because your leaders use war as a way to control YOU and the rest of the world.

I am sorry for calling you names earlier. I get passionate about this subject.

So you've fallen for the great deception as well? Sad.

It's the PALIS who don't want PEACE.

For those who like to talk out their asses and not read here you go...AGAIN

Contrary to popular belief Israel Occupies NO ARAB TERRITORIES!

In urgent matters of national survival and geopolitics, words matter. The still generally unchallenged language referring provocatively to an Israeli "Occupation" always overlooks the pertinent and incontestable history of the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza.

Perhaps the most evident omission concerns the unwitting manner in which these "Territories" fell into Israel's hands in the first place. It is simply and widely disregarded that "occupation" followed the multi-state Arab aggression of 1967 - one never disguised by Egypt, Syria or Jordan. A sovereign state of "Palestine" did not exist before 1967 or 1948. Nor was a state of "Palestine" ever promised by UN Security Council Resolution 242. Contrary to popular understanding, a state of "Palestine" has never existed. Never. Even as a non-state legal entity, "Palestine" ceased to exist in 1948, when Great Britain relinquished its League of Nations mandate. During the 1948-49 Israeli War of Independence (a war of survival fought because the entire Arab world had rejected the authoritative United Nations recommendation to create a Jewish state), the West Bank and Gaza came under the illegal control of Jordan and Egypt respectively. These Arab conquests did not put an end to an already-existing state or to an ongoing trust territory. What these aggressions did accomplish was the effective prevention, sui generis, of a state of"Palestine."

The original hopes for Palestine were dashed, therefore, not by the new Jewish state or by its supporters, but by the Arab states, especially Jordan and Egypt. Let us return to an earlier time in history. From the Biblical Period ( 1350 BCE to 586 BCE) to the British Mandate (1922 - 1948), the land named by the Romans after the ancient Philistines was controlled only by non-Palestinian elements. Significantly, however, a continuous chain of Jewish possession of the land was legally recognized after World War I, at the San Remo Peace Conference of April 1920. There, a binding treaty was signed in which Great Britain was given mandatory authority over 'Palestine' (the area had been ruled by the Ottoman Turks for 400 years since 1516) to prepare it to become the "national home for the Jewish People." Palestine, according to the Treaty, comprised territories encompassing what are now the states of Jordan and Israel, including the West Bank and Gaza. Present-day Israel comprises only 23 percent of Palestine as defined and ratified at the San Remo Peace Conference. In 1922, Great Britain with questionable authority split off 77 percent of the lands originally promised to the Jewish people - all of Palestine east of the Jordan River - and gave it to Abdullah, the non-Palestinian Arab son of the Sharif of Mecca. Eastern Palestine now t ook the name Trans-Jordan, which it retained until April 1949, when it was renamed as Jordan.

From the moment of its creation, Trans-Jordan was closed to all Jewish migration and settlement, a clear betrayal of the British promise in the Balfour Declaration of 1917, and a patent contravention of its Mandatory obligations under international law. On July 20, 1951, a Palestinian Arab assassinated King Abdullah for the latter's hostility to Palestinian Arabs aspirations and concerns. Regarding these aspirations, Jordan's "moderate" King Hussein - 19 years later, during September 1970 - brutally murdered thousands of defenseless Palestinian Arabs under "his protection."

In 1947, several years prior to Abdullah's killing, the newly-formed United Nations, rather than designate the entire land west of the Jordan River as the long-promised Jewish national homeland, enacted a second partition. Curiously, considering that this second fission again gave complete advantage to Arab interests, Jewish leaders accepted the painful recommendation. The Arab states did not. On May 15, 1948, exactly 24 hours after the State of Israel came into existence, Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League, declared to a tiny new country founded upon the ashes of the Holocaust: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre." This unambiguous declaration has been at the very heart of all subsequent Arab orientations toward Israel, including those of "moderate" Fatah.

Even by the strict legal standards of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Arab actions and attitudes toward the microscopic Jewish state in their midst has remained patently genocidal. For some reason, this persistence has repeatedly been made to appear benign.

In 1967, almost 20 years after Israel's entry into the community of nations, the Jewish state, as a result of its unexpected military victory over Arab aggressor states, gained unintended control over the West Bank and Gaza. Although the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war is codified in the UN, there existed no authoritative sovereign to whom the Territories could be "returned." Israel could hardly have been expected to transfer them back to Jordan and Egypt, which had exercised unauthorized and terribly cruel control since the Arab-initiated war of "extermination" in 1948-49.

Moreover, the idea of Palestinian Arabs "self-determination" had only just begun to emerge after the Six Day War, and - significantly - had not even been included in UN Security Council Resolution 242, which was adopted on November 22, 1967. For their part, the Arab states convened a summit in Khartoum in August 1967, concluding: "No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it ..." The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was formed three years earlier, in 1964, before there were any "Israeli Occupied Territories." Exactly what was it, therefore, that the PLO sought to "liberate" between 1964 and 1967?

This question should now be raised in connection with the US-sponsored "Road Map to peace in the Middle East," a twisted cartography leading to Palestine.

This has been a very brief account of essential historic reasons why the so-called "Palestinian Territories" are not occupied by Israel. Several other equally valid reasons stem from Israel's inherent legal right to security and self-defense. International law is not a suicide pact. Because a Palestinian Arab state would severely threaten the very existence of Israel - a fact that remains altogether unhidden in Arab media and governments - the Jewish State is under no binding obligation to end a falsely alleged "Occupation." No state can ever be required to accept complicity in its own dismemberment and annihilation. Neither Jerusalem nor Washington should be deceived by the so-called "Road Map to peace in the Middle East," a distorted bit of highway that makes entirely inaccurate claims about "Palestinian Territories" and "Israeli Occupation."

For substantially documented reasons of history and national security, it is imperative that a twenty-second Arab state never be carved out of the still-living body of Israel. If anyone should still have doubts about Palestinian Arabs' intentions, they need look only to former Prime Minister Sharon's "disengagement" from Gaza, an area that is now used by Hamas to stage rocket attacks upon Israeli noncombatants, and by al-Qaeda to mount future terrorist operations against American cities.

Professor Louis René Beres, Professor of Political Science at Purdue, was educated at Princeton (Ph.D., 1971). Born in Zurich, Switzerland, at the end of World War II, he is the author of many major books, monographs and articles dealing with international law, strategic theory, Israeli nuclear policy, and regional nuclear war. In Israel, where he served as Chair of Project Daniel, his work is known to selected military and intelligence communities.

There is a difference between unoccupied buildings and building with people in them. How many innocent civilians were killed by the leveling of those buildings in GaZa vs the leveling of Unoccupied buildings in Afghanistan.

The reason you don't see a difference Gaia is because you don't believe palestinian lives are worth anything.

Why does HAMAS do the same and worse to their own?

Freedom fighters? those who launched missiles and qassams and hided between civilians? are you talking about them?
The toll at the beginning was a HUGE lie, like always.
At the beginning of November they CONFESSED that they had lie about that.

Hamas has admitted for the first time that it lost 700 terrorists in Operation Cast Lead, and not 50 as it had claimed. It has also admitted that the 250 'police' killed on the first day of the operation were Hamas terrorists. JPost

Listen enough with the speculation bullshit, info is out there and been getting out there more fast then ever and I'm not talking about MSM.

There is no deception, that you refuse to realize it prevents me continuing reasonable discussion. Obviously you have been programmed with opinions.

I'm talking statistics you can't debunk or refuse. The israeli goverment are KILLERS, they'll kill anyone to get their agenda done and have so.

You know think about this, being told you are being deceived is the first sign of deceptions.... can you get that through your thick skulls?

And there is a huge difference too, when you hide weapons inside your HOME.
And inside HOSPITALS and SCHOOLS and use them as a shoot base.

So they leaflets were to INFORM the people to go out.

So, who is in first place, the one that doesnt give a damn about children's lives?
The one that hide weapons inside a classroom?
Or the one that call you GET OUT NOW asap?

Do you admit that Muslim extremists are sick psychopaths as well?

EXACTLY!

Last Edited by TXGal4Truth on 11/20/2010 03:06 AM