Tested: US Joint Strike Fighter vs. Russian Su-35S.. guess which one is MUCH better.. | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 556010 Netherlands 12/03/2010 07:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Western pilot must be proficient in evasion tactics for no less than six different families of BVR missile airframes, and four different categories of missile seeker. The endgame radiofrequency and optical countermeasures suites in a Western airframe must be effective against seven different families of missile seeker, including variants thereof. A pilot flying a Russian or Chinese supplied fighter only needs tactics and technology to defeat the AIM-120B/C/D AMRAAM. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 941862 United States 12/03/2010 07:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Deadly Question for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Quoting: Anonymous Coward 556010Air Power Australia - Australia's Independent Defence Think Tank How will the intended 2,443 F-35s JSF impose air dominance for the USA and its Allies? That is the question to ask. And how will the F-35 JSF perform, not against truly obsolete legacy aircraft like the Su-27SK and the MiG-29, but against modern fighters like the Su-35S? We can answer these questions with a head-to-head analysis of the two aircraft. Here is a scenario: In the ‘Blue’ corner, we have a flight of four F-35A JSFs, each armed with four AIM-120D Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles and the 25 mm GD ATP GAU-22/A cannon In the ‘Red’ corner, we have a flight of four Su-35S, each armed with four RVV-SD Active Radar Seeker BVR Missiles, four RVV-SD Infra-Red (IR) Seeker BVR missiles, two RVV-MD Within Visual Range (WVR) missiles, the 30mm GSh-301 cannon, KNIRTI SAP-518 jammers on the wingtips and a 6,000 litre conformal tank between the engines see the result: [link to www.ausairpower.net] !!!RUSSIANS KICK US ASS BIGTIME!!! BULLSHIT DUDE, our black triangles will kick anyones ass. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1182757 United States 12/03/2010 07:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think you miss the point. The F35 jsf may be a "jobber" aircraft but it has vertical take off an landing meaning you could deploy more of these fighters from smaller areas. And the stealth thing is a small bonus. But from most I read and playing alot of jet games the su 35 seems to be like a cadillac no doubt. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1182757 United States 12/03/2010 07:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Western pilot must be proficient in evasion tactics for no less than six different families of BVR missile airframes, and four different categories of missile seeker. The endgame radiofrequency and optical countermeasures suites in a Western airframe must be effective against seven different families of missile seeker, including variants thereof. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 556010A pilot flying a Russian or Chinese supplied fighter only needs tactics and technology to defeat the AIM-120B/C/D AMRAAM. So your basically saying everyone except the americans have become sloppy dog fighters? thx I guess lol |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 583942 United States 12/03/2010 07:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Deadly Question for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Quoting: Anonymous Coward 941862Air Power Australia - Australia's Independent Defence Think Tank How will the intended 2,443 F-35s JSF impose air dominance for the USA and its Allies? That is the question to ask. And how will the F-35 JSF perform, not against truly obsolete legacy aircraft like the Su-27SK and the MiG-29, but against modern fighters like the Su-35S? We can answer these questions with a head-to-head analysis of the two aircraft. Here is a scenario: In the ‘Blue’ corner, we have a flight of four F-35A JSFs, each armed with four AIM-120D Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles and the 25 mm GD ATP GAU-22/A cannon In the ‘Red’ corner, we have a flight of four Su-35S, each armed with four RVV-SD Active Radar Seeker BVR Missiles, four RVV-SD Infra-Red (IR) Seeker BVR missiles, two RVV-MD Within Visual Range (WVR) missiles, the 30mm GSh-301 cannon, KNIRTI SAP-518 jammers on the wingtips and a 6,000 litre conformal tank between the engines see the result: [link to www.ausairpower.net] !!!RUSSIANS KICK US ASS BIGTIME!!! BULLSHIT DUDE, our black triangles will kick anyones ass. my black triangle, can beat up your black triangle |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 941862 United States 12/03/2010 07:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | think why your triangles are stealth.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 556010..its because they cannot do anything more than bombing while invisible. no air to air combat, no defense nothing. its like your stupid drones dude.. Dude, i think you are missing the point here, I wasan't refering to Stealth in our current arsenal I was refering to the TR-3B, this bad boy has not been in combat yet, no reason to nothing on earth could compare. The point is the Ruskies, Chinese and whom ever could not compete, it would be like a Professional Soccer player against a two year old. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 556010 Netherlands 12/03/2010 08:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dude, i think you are missing the point here, I wasan't refering to Stealth in our current arsenal I was refering to the TR-3B, this bad boy has not been in combat yet, no reason to nothing on earth could compare. The point is the Ruskies, Chinese and whom ever could not compete, it would be like a Professional Soccer player against a two year old. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 941862Dude, since when are innocent middle east civilians called 'two year olds' |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 941862 United States 12/03/2010 08:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dude, i think you are missing the point here, I wasan't refering to Stealth in our current arsenal I was refering to the TR-3B, this bad boy has not been in combat yet, no reason to nothing on earth could compare. The point is the Ruskies, Chinese and whom ever could not compete, it would be like a Professional Soccer player against a two year old. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 556010Dude, since when are innocent middle east civilians called 'two year olds' Great point! This is where wisdom and knowledge separate. We may have the knowledge to build these, but is it wise? Think of the world we could build without the war machine. |
Fun-Da-Mental User ID: 464699 Netherlands 12/03/2010 08:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what kind of planes do the Netherlands fly? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1080443F-16's now, but to be replaced by the JSF. BUT now they want 4 billion euro's extra, so I dunno how that's gonna work out with the new gov't. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 556010 Netherlands 12/03/2010 08:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dude, since when are innocent middle east civilians called 'two year olds' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 941862Great point! This is where wisdom and knowledge separate. We may have the knowledge to build these, but is it wise? Think of the world we could build without the war machine. DUDE, Great Point too: The US is the place where wisdom and knowledge seperates!! a lot of knowledge but no wisdom to use it. Think of the world we could build without the US (war machine). i think that is the reason why the word bomb sounds almost similar to the word dumb |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1011642 United States 12/03/2010 08:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WW1 is over dude.. dogfights are not the future. And stealth was like the big deal of the 70s & 80s, this is 2010, that was 30 years ago. 30 years of R&D by Skunkworks & friends has probably led to some amazing accomplishments in Aeronautics. In fact the USAF has been looking to regress by using some old style tech of fighter-bomber with props for remote duty.. I'll say one thing though, since you are not familiar with the American military or the USAF in general. USAF pilots are all combat vets while every other nations pilots are only rookies with just training experience. In combat, experience wins generally.. Also, the USAF can afford to train and fly pilots round the clock while other nations are broke and can only afford casual training. I would feel no threat from a Russian Sukhoi pilot over an experienced combat pilot from America who has flown 100's of sorties in wartime, even in an inferiorly handling aircraft. Also, the level of technology exposed to the public is dismal compared to what they really have.. They USAF actually publishes false information about the F15 concerning its capabilities, so if you are basing your judgement on publicly available data, your thesis is already flawed. How do I know? 8 years active duty wartime USAF experience.. For the record, those Sukhoi's are pretty cool though.. |
Fun-Da-Mental User ID: 464699 Netherlands 12/03/2010 08:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Think of the world we could build without the US (war machine). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 556010good luck with china, korea, russia, iran, pakistan, india, venezuela and the african nations. get back to me on how that works out.. |
Burt Gummer User ID: 989406 United States 12/03/2010 08:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Deadly Question for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Quoting: Anonymous Coward 556010Air Power Australia - Australia's Independent Defence Think Tank How will the intended 2,443 F-35s JSF impose air dominance for the USA and its Allies? That is the question to ask. And how will the F-35 JSF perform, not against truly obsolete legacy aircraft like the Su-27SK and the MiG-29, but against modern fighters like the Su-35S? We can answer these questions with a head-to-head analysis of the two aircraft. Here is a scenario: In the ‘Blue’ corner, we have a flight of four F-35A JSFs, each armed with four AIM-120D Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles and the 25 mm GD ATP GAU-22/A cannon In the ‘Red’ corner, we have a flight of four Su-35S, each armed with four RVV-SD Active Radar Seeker BVR Missiles, four RVV-SD Infra-Red (IR) Seeker BVR missiles, two RVV-MD Within Visual Range (WVR) missiles, the 30mm GSh-301 cannon, KNIRTI SAP-518 jammers on the wingtips and a 6,000 litre conformal tank between the engines see the result: [link to www.ausairpower.net] !!!RUSSIANS KICK US ASS BIGTIME!!! Until we see an actual DOGFIGHT.....this TRULY apllies here.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1011642 United States 12/03/2010 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Su-35s vs. X-37B with green chemical laser and emp cannon and whatever other beyond belief technology that thing holds. LOL "Death from Above" just became "Death from Space" How many space-fighters does your nation, or any other nation have for that matter? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 556010 Netherlands 12/03/2010 08:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, the USAF can afford to train and fly pilots round the clock while other nations are broke and can only afford casual training. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1011642do you ever think WHY the USAF can afford all this??? maybe because they steal the money of all hardworking US citizen don't you think??? of every dollar, 80 cents to military. of course you will win it all at the war game level.. and sounds like you are proud of that too... ..but don't forget to buy food every now and then..while that still is possible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 941862 United States 12/03/2010 08:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Deadly Question for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Quoting: Anonymous Coward 556010Air Power Australia - Australia's Independent Defence Think Tank How will the intended 2,443 F-35s JSF impose air dominance for the USA and its Allies? That is the question to ask. And how will the F-35 JSF perform, not against truly obsolete legacy aircraft like the Su-27SK and the MiG-29, but against modern fighters like the Su-35S? We can answer these questions with a head-to-head analysis of the two aircraft. Here is a scenario: In the ‘Blue’ corner, we have a flight of four F-35A JSFs, each armed with four AIM-120D Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles and the 25 mm GD ATP GAU-22/A cannon In the ‘Red’ corner, we have a flight of four Su-35S, each armed with four RVV-SD Active Radar Seeker BVR Missiles, four RVV-SD Infra-Red (IR) Seeker BVR missiles, two RVV-MD Within Visual Range (WVR) missiles, the 30mm GSh-301 cannon, KNIRTI SAP-518 jammers on the wingtips and a 6,000 litre conformal tank between the engines see the result: [link to www.ausairpower.net] !!!RUSSIANS KICK US ASS BIGTIME!!! I like your little post about a world without the US, I would love to meet you face to face your selfcentered life would be totaly different after that, I am sure your posts are shaming your grandparents. If they were from the Netherlands they went thru hell with Hitler, and now you shame their name. Patheotic. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 556010 Netherlands 12/03/2010 08:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't say that too loud otherwise the Republicans will want to divert more money from schools, healthcare and infrastructure into Defense. These folks love weapons! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 362158BINGO !!! thanks for waking up.. the rest, go to sleep, be proud of your weapons and buy some food stamps on your way home.. |
89446 User ID: 1121096 Romania 12/03/2010 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I doubt the JSF and the Su-35S will ever have the chance to have a go at each other. They'll have to be content with taking on the air forces of poorer nations and make documentaries about it. Last Edited by Vlad Tepes on 12/03/2010 08:39 AM Sol Dominvs Imperi Romani Imperium Romanum Sacrum In Varietate Concordia |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 941862 United States 12/03/2010 08:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't say that too loud otherwise the Republicans will want to divert more money from schools, healthcare and infrastructure into Defense. These folks love weapons! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 556010BINGO !!! thanks for waking up.. the rest, go to sleep, be proud of your weapons and buy some food stamps on your way home.. Boy oh boy, your posts today show alot of hate, take a breather . |
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