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Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal.

 
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So could the comet be the proverbial match the strikes and lights the interstellar cloud? Resulting in all of these discharges observed in the petroglyphs? Essentially we are doused in this "flammable" ether and those ancient humans that witnessed such an event, when the sky became like fire and scorched the earth and its inhabitants - It seems highly plausible though improbable..
I think Viewzone.com has some interesting articles pertaining to this.
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So could the comet be the proverbial match the strikes and lights the interstellar cloud? Resulting in all of these discharges observed in the petroglyphs? Essentially we are doused in this "flammable" ether and those ancient humans that witnessed such an event, when the sky became like fire and scorched the earth and its inhabitants - It seems highly plausible though improbable..
I think Viewzone.com has some interesting articles pertaining to this.
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I doubt it but I can't say it is impossible. From what I understand the energy levels required to cause any kind of fusion process to begin in a dense section of cloud requires a supernova explosion or a gamma ray burst to directly pass through.

I'm not sure what a CME or flare from the sun would do either, but those are also some explosive forces which could "ignite" a dense section and cause a fusion reaction to occur. It would have to be sufficiently dense enough for that to occur though from what I understand about our knowledge on the requirements for fusion. This is of course just a guess at best in regards to the light show in our skies.
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The highly complex magnetic fields of the clouds are able to accelerate particles creating cosmic rays. The cloud is already close, most likely some of it is already inside the solar system. Note the spiral path the cosmic rays take. Related to the spiral ribbon IBEX observed?


Discovered: Cosmic Rays from a Mysterious, Nearby Object

Nov. 19, 2008: An international team of researchers has discovered a puzzling surplus of high-energy electrons bombarding Earth from space. The source of these cosmic rays is unknown, but it must be close to the solar system



"The source of these exotic electrons must be relatively close to the solar system—no more than a kiloparsec away," says co-author Jim Adams of the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center.

Why must the source be nearby? Adams explains: "High-energy electrons lose energy rapidly as they fly through the galaxy. They give up energy in two main ways: (1) when they collide with lower-energy photons, a process called inverse Compton scattering, and (2) when they radiate away some of their energy by spiraling through the galaxy's magnetic field." By the time an electron has traveled a whole kiloparsec, it isn't so 'high energy' any more.
[link to science.nasa.gov]

Strange cosmic ray hotspots stalk southern skies

Cosmic rays crashing into the Earth over the South Pole appear to be coming from particular locations, rather than being distributed uniformly across the sky. Similar cosmic ray "hotspots" have been seen in the northern skies too, yet we know of no source close enough to produce this pattern.

"We don't know where they are coming from," says Stefan Westerhoff of the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

It's a mystery because the hotspots must be produced within about 0.03 light years of Earth.

Others have proposed that a local phenomenon called magnetic reconnection – in which solar magnetic field lines cross and rearrange, converting magnetic energy to kinetic energy – could be accelerating local cosmic rays to energies in the TeV range and beaming them towards Earth, creating the observed hotspots. "It implies that we have a Tevatron in the solar system," says Aharonian, referring to the particle accelerator at Fermilab in Batavia, Illinois. "That's also crazy, but it is at least less crazy than other explanations."
[link to www.newscientist.com]


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I hope the information presented here shows clearly to people that there is something lurking in our solar system, causing all these changes on a scale not seen before in the space age. And that the only known and plausible source is an interstellar cloud which is dense enough to penetrate the heliosphere and cause it to begin shrinking.
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The highly complex magnetic fields of the clouds are able to accelerate particles creating cosmic rays. The cloud is already close, most likely some of it is already inside the solar system. Note the spiral path the cosmic rays take. Related to the spiral ribbon IBEX observed?


Discovered: Cosmic Rays from a Mysterious, Nearby Object

Nov. 19, 2008: An international team of researchers has discovered a puzzling surplus of high-energy electrons bombarding Earth from space. The source of these cosmic rays is unknown, but it must be close to the solar system



"The source of these exotic electrons must be relatively close to the solar system—no more than a kiloparsec away," says co-author Jim Adams of the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center.

Why must the source be nearby? Adams explains: "High-energy electrons lose energy rapidly as they fly through the galaxy. They give up energy in two main ways: (1) when they collide with lower-energy photons, a process called inverse Compton scattering, and (2) when they radiate away some of their energy by spiraling through the galaxy's magnetic field." By the time an electron has traveled a whole kiloparsec, it isn't so 'high energy' any more.
[link to science.nasa.gov]

Strange cosmic ray hotspots stalk southern skies

Cosmic rays crashing into the Earth over the South Pole appear to be coming from particular locations, rather than being distributed uniformly across the sky. Similar cosmic ray "hotspots" have been seen in the northern skies too, yet we know of no source close enough to produce this pattern.

"We don't know where they are coming from," says Stefan Westerhoff of the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

It's a mystery because the hotspots must be produced within about 0.03 light years of Earth.

Others have proposed that a local phenomenon called magnetic reconnection – in which solar magnetic field lines cross and rearrange, converting magnetic energy to kinetic energy – could be accelerating local cosmic rays to energies in the TeV range and beaming them towards Earth, creating the observed hotspots. "It implies that we have a Tevatron in the solar system," says Aharonian, referring to the particle accelerator at Fermilab in Batavia, Illinois. "That's also crazy, but it is at least less crazy than other explanations."

[link to www.newscientist.com]
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Could a member please embed this image in a post for me? It's the latest view of the the edge of the solar system from our observations and findings with the voyager probes. Note by "ionized gas" they of course mean plasma. This is a really great and in-depth article on the latest discovery.


Voyager Discovers Possible Sea of Huge, Turbulent, Magnetic Bubbles at Solar System Edge.


Because the heliosheath ebbs and flows, the Voyagers have moved in and out of the sea of magnetic bubbles during the last several years, something that has provided the team with a lot of comparative data. When the particles scientists analyzed the Voyager data with a new, updated computer model, they found anything but a smooth magnetic field. Instead, Opher and colleagues found that the Sun's distant magnetic field lines appear to cross or merge together, and then split apart to reorganize into distinct “bubbles,” shaped more like sausages than meatballs, they noted at the teleconference. Together, these monster magnetic bubbles, foaming like the bubbles created by the air jets in a Jacuzzi, form a roiling sea that is the membrane they now believe makes up most of the heliosheath.

"A basic principle of magnetic fields in space is that they are tied to the ionized gas, because that gas is an excellent conductor of electricity – where the gas goes, the field is stretched along with it, and wherever the field goes, the gas has to go too," elaborated Eugene Parker, professor emeritus of physics at the University of Chicago, who first proposed this theoretically back in 1958, decades before spacecraft observations would prove him correct.

"So they are always together, stretched out through the solar system in this case,” Parker continued during the teleconference. “The field starts out radially from the Sun and because of the rotation of the Sun gives you a big spiral. There is some slight diffusion of the magnetic field relative to the gas, but it's so slight it takes thousands of years for any effect to take place. There is one exception to this rule, it's the reconnection phenomenon.”

Magnetic reconnection is a known phenomenon. In fact, it is the same energetic process underlying solar flares, and, added Stone, “reconnection happens at the boundary between Earth's magnetic field and interplanetary medium where there's merging going on.”

“The importance of present investigation,” Parker noted, “is that it shows this rapid reconnection is ubiquitous. It appears wherever there is a possibility for two opposite field components to be pushed together. And the gas and field in the heliosheath is one such place because of the sector structure, and so we have magnetic bubbles instead of a simple smooth field. This reconnection accounts for so many different phenomena, including high velocity particles created at the Sun and at the heliosheath. “This is the first glimpse of it in the heliosheath,” he noted.

[link to www.planetary.org]

If the same process responsible for flares and CMEs occurs at the edge of the solar system, the cloud could in theory trigger a massive flare (burst of EM energy) and/or a particle ejection event (burst of charged matter).

RECALCULATING THE DISTANCE TO INTERSTELLAR SPACE

Scientists analyzing recent data from NASA's Voyager and Cassini spacecraft have calculated that Voyager 1 could cross over into the frontier of interstellar space at any time and much earlier than previously thought. The findings are detailed in this week's issue of the journal Nature.

[link to voyager.jpl.nasa.gov]

Is this because the heliosphere has shrunk or because their data and estimates were wrong?
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Think about it, the media wants you to be scared of a possible solar storm that will wreak havoc on Earth. But if the same processes occur on the edge of the solar system, on a scale much bigger than the sun, as on the sun, then there is always the possibility of a solar system sized "storm" to occur from either the cloud or interstellar wind.

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Think about it, the media wants you to be scared of a possible solar storm that will wreak havoc on Earth. But if the same processes occur on the edge of the solar system, on a scale much bigger than the sun, as on the sun, then there is always the possibility of a solar system sized "storm" to occur from either the cloud or interstellar wind.
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And what'll we do about Humpty-Dumpty then?

From the looks of most planets, we've been there and done that so we're probably gonna get it again.
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Think about it, the media wants you to be scared of a possible solar storm that will wreak havoc on Earth. But if the same processes occur on the edge of the solar system, on a scale much bigger than the sun, as on the sun, then there is always the possibility of a solar system sized "storm" to occur from either the cloud or interstellar wind.
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And what'll we do about Humpty-Dumpty then?

From the looks of most planets, we've been there and done that so we're probably gonna get it again.
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The atmosphere that was stripped from Mars was done by charged particles and extremely high energies, the magnetic field is also gone if I remember correctly. The scarring seen on the surface of the planet could indeed be carved by a giant cloud of dense hot plasma like a CME from the sun or a dense pocket of cloud that passed by in the past. Frisch and other scientists estimated that we've experienced hundreds of passages of interstellar clouds and dozens of dense clouds in 4 billion years.

Since the mass of these clouds is not great the planets cannot be destroyed because that would simply be impossible. They do however change the face of the planet and cause changes in the solar environment. The cloud would deposit matter all over the solar system, over time the small amounts would add up and in essence make the solar system grow, just as over time, dust and these clouds create stars and solar systems and galaxies.

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And now we'll get to see if the cloud will be affected by the passing energy from the recently discovered supernova... There may be an unexpected light show during the event as the energy reaches our part of space.
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Must see video if you want to visualize the IBEX experiment.



This one however is perfect for showing how the heliosphere shrinks and expands in reaction for forces outside of it. the whole crux of this is the heliosphere will shrink far in enough to leave the Earth immersed in the cloud itself, as it has in the past, and cause dramatic climate changes as well as aurora plasma and discharge (electrical) events and a host of other effects as explained by Dr. Frisch and her many papers.

Actually a good way to explain it would be, just as we get hit by a dense CME from the sun, the solar system can be hit by a much larger version of a CME from somewhere outside. Just as our magnetosphere shrinks and reacts to the charged particles from the sun, the sun's heliosphere shrinks and reacts to forces acting on it. Only charged particles, which is what a plasma is mostly, affect and get affects by magnetic fields.
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The frequency and magnitude of anomalous events in our atmosphere will only continue to climb and yet all people do is talk about the effects we see on Earth and not the cause.
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[link to www2.nict.go.jp]
The clouds have arrived!
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The clouds have arrived!
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I doubt it, you'd definitely notice the difference. It's like filling up a balloon with helium, the gas starts to permeate inside the balloon but not with even density. It should be a gradual change until the tipping point and the density of the plasma begins to push down on matter instead of going around it.
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From; Thread: - Giant Cloud of 'Cold Plasma' Discovered Above Earth - National Geographic -

Clouds of "cold plasma" reach from the top of Earth's atmosphere to at least a quarter the distance to the moon, according to new data from a cluster of European satellites.

Earth generates cold plasma—slow-moving charged particles—at the edge of space, where sunlight strips electrons from gas atoms, leaving only their positively charged cores, or nuclei.

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Cold Plasma a Space Weather "Elephant"

In the end, the pair found that cold plasma makes up between 50 and 70 percent of all charged particles within the farther reaches of Earth's magnetic field.

André says it's now time to start updating space-weather models to take the extra cold plasma into account—at this point, for instance, nothing is known about how the plasma might affect solar storms.

This influence is "not a minor thing in space weather," André said. "It's an elephant in the room."


[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]
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All the "mysterious" events happening in our solar system, like the sun's odd behaviour for the past few years, ie, the extremely low activity, the heliosphere shrinking, cosmic rays rising, climate changing on Earth, it all points to one of these clouds entering the solar system. Or the solar system entering a cloud, depends on how you look at it and on the size of this cloud. If the cloud is dense it will push back the heliopshere to within 1 AU and leave the Earth unprotected and depending on the characteristics of the clouds, ie density, temperature, composition etc, there are various effects.


Eons ago, giant clouds in space may have led to global extinctions, according to two recent technical papers supported by NASA’s Astrobiology Institute.

One paper outlines a rare scenario in which Earth iced over during snowball glaciations, after the solar system passed through dense space clouds. In a more likely scenario, less dense giant molecular clouds may have enabled charged particles to enter Earth’s atmosphere, leading to destruction of much of the planet‘s protective ozone layer. This resulted in global extinctions, according to the second paper. Both recently appeared in the Geophysical Research Letters.

“Computer models show dramatic climate change can be caused by interstellar dust accumulating in Earth’s atmosphere during the solar system‘s immersion into a dense space cloud,” said Alex Pavlov, principal author of the two papers. He is a scientist at the University of Colorado, Boulder. The resulting dust layer hovering over the Earth would absorb and scatter solar radiation, yet allow heat to escape from the planet into space, causing runaway ice buildup and snowball glaciations.
[link to www.universetoday.com]


These numbers confirm what astronomers have long suspected. The solar system is colliding with a vast interstellar cloud.

Most people think space is empty, but it's not. The "void" between the stars is crowded with clouds of gas. Clouds on Earth are miles wide. Clouds in space are light years across. They range in character from inky-black and cold to colorful and glowing-hot. Stars are born in clouds, and they hurl even more clouds into space when they die. Interstellar clouds are everywhere, so it's no surprise that the solar system is running into one.

The question is, what kind of cloud?
[link to science.nasa.gov]

However, because of the large flow of hydrogen from space clouds into the sun's heliosphere, the sun greatly increases its production of electrically charged cosmic rays from the hydrogen particles. This also increases the flow of cosmic rays towards Earth. Normally, Earth's magnetic field and ozone layer protect life from cosmic rays and the sun's dangerous ultraviolet radiation.

Moderately dense space clouds are huge, and the solar system could take as long as 500,000 years to cross one of them. Once in such a cloud, the Earth would be expected to undergo at least one magnetic reversal. During a reversal, electrically charged cosmic rays can enter Earth's atmosphere instead of being deflected by the planet's magnetic field.

Cosmic rays can fly into the atmosphere and break up nitrogen molecules to form nitrogen oxides. Nitrogen oxide catalysts would set off the destruction of as much as 40 percent of the protective ozone in the planet's upper atmosphere across the globe and destruction of about 80 percent of the ozone over the polar regions according to Pavlov.
[link to www.nasa.gov]

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Dense interstellar plasma clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen?



i might have a beer.


Since there is really nothing we can do short of creating a powerful magnetic repulsion effect to steer the plasma out of our way, I'll have to agree. Kick back and watch the show and hope the changes aren't too great that we cannot survive. I wonder if this has anything to do with the switch to digital from the standard frequencies, plasma emits EM frequencies and can interfere with our communications as the Navy knows all too well from their dealings with the ionosphere and solar storms.

It would be cool if it turns out to be a form of life on a scale unrecognized by us until now however. It would also suggest the universe itself is alive on an even bigger scale than we could comprehend. Just like our cells cannot comprehend that they are part of something bigger.
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Yes, Xenus. This is along the lines of what I have been touching on. We always think of intelligence in human ways...when intelligence can be as diverse as the universe. It may not be able to be understood (especially when sentience is so absolutely submerged in their own ego as humans) until it is experienced...
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lol

a subjective examination of "intelligent nature" seldom if ever brings "humanity" to mind
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More evidence of the coming changes.

SWEET LIGHTS: For reasons not fully understood by forecasters, a disturbance rippled through Earth's magnetic field on Feb. 14th. Perhaps it was Cupid's arrow. The impact sparked some sweet lights around the Arctic Circle:

"On several occasions the sky was full of auroras from horizon to horizon," says photographer and aurora tour guide Chad Blakley of Abisko National Park, Sweden. "We had many happy couples celebrating with us tonight. Most of our guests agreed that it was the best Valentine's day that they had ever shared together."

There has been some speculation that the display was caused by a CME, launched from the sun on Feb. 10th and reaching Earth on Feb. 14th. However, there is no clear signature of a CME impact in local solar wind data.


[link to spaceweather.com]
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Clear and concise proof that even without CMEs there are aurora being created in our atmosphere from dense plasma.
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Cassini Plasma Spectrometer Turns Off

ScienceDaily (June 6, 2012) — The Cassini plasma spectrometer instrument (CAPS) aboard NASA's Cassini spacecraft was turned off between Friday, June 1 and Saturday, June 2, when a circuit breaker tripped off after the instrument experienced some unexpected voltage shifts.
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March 19, 2012

CASSINI MISSION STATUS REPORT

PASADENA, Calif. -- The Cassini plasma spectrometer instrument (CAPS) aboard NASA's Cassini spacecraft at Saturn has resumed operations. Mission managers received confirmation on Friday, March 16, that it was turned on. They plan to monitor the instrument for any unusual behavior.

Last June, short circuits in the instrument led to unexpected voltage shifts on the spacecraft. As a precaution, mission managers turned off the CAPS instrument while engineers investigated the issue. The investigation led to the conclusion that tin plating on electronics components had grown "whiskers." The whiskers were very small, less than the diameter of a human hair, but they were big enough to contact another conducting surface and carry electrical current. Researchers are still trying to understand why whiskers grow on tin and other metals, but they know now that whiskers can grow in space and on Earth. It is believed that these or additional tin whiskers that may grow on Cassini cannot carry enough current to cause problems, but will burn out on their own like a lightweight fuse.
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Great topic - Glad someone pulled it out of the archives :)

5*'s for the research!

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Great topic - Glad someone pulled it out of the archives :)

5*'s for the research!

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Thanks, glad you find it interesting. I bump this thread every now and then since GLP always has new members all the time. I really don't like to but I know no one has ever even come up with anything remotely like this before so I feel like I have to. It's a nice change from the regurgitated beliefs that fester here 24/7. And I didn't have a belief I tried to fit the information into, rather the information allowed me to come to these conclusions. And all the information is from scientific observations so no one has ever been able to "debunk" it. Just gets buried.
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Geoengineering, Chemtrails, HAARP, World Orders, Time Lines and Ascension

The Solar Transition

Time to put pieces together… the sun is getting hotter from all the dust and debris the solar system is now experiencing. The increased fuel will increase the thermal destructive limit, which will cause a corresponding increase in magnetic ionization level, which will make more elements available for the stellar combustion process—the sun is going to get brighter and hotter. Initially, this will occur as bright flashes, like a mini novae, until sufficient material is available to hold the magnetic ionization limit at the next quantum step. At that time, the sun will suddenly jump up in stellar class, and remain there...

The transition should be interesting. When the magnetic ionization level of the sun increases, it will be like throwing a cup of gasoline on the barbecue grill coals—a burst of flame and thermal activity, so much that it will move the thermal speeds past the speed of light. This “inverse thermal emission” actually occurs frequently on a small scale and is documented in detail in Prof. KVK Nehru's paper, Glimpses Into the Structure of the Sun: The Solar Interior and the Sunspots, and is the reason that sunspots are dark and appear cool. Inverse (FTL) thermal motion is super-hot, so hot that it appears cold and the region of the sun where it takes place goes dark, as in the sunspot umbra. There are already indications of this beginning to occur. Except this time, the whole sun will become an “umbra”—there should be a bright flash, like a nova flare, when the gas hits the fire (additional elements suddenly being available for fuel from the jump in magnetic ionization), then the sun will go dark, like it went out. But only for a short time, until the initial burst of new fuel has burned up and the sun returns to the zone of stability. Like most things, this has happened before and will happen again.
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