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Here is Matt 7 passage:

21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


24. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.


28. And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29. For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.


Knowledge results from Knowing The Father, being able to witness what you have Seen and Know. Witnessing God's Word conveys authority. Heed or disregard as your carnal-heart pleases. Just know that you have heard that God The Father Will Receive your surrender, if offered from a true and sincere heart. Know too that nothing else matters in the course of your life except that if you Truly Love Christ Jesus, you take action and offer yourself Unto The Father. If you Know and Love Christ Jesus, it is for this purpose you were born...

Praise HIS Name!
Maranatha!!!

Praise The Holy Of Holy :: The only reason knowledge is expanding so fast is we are funding things we didn't know at a faster rate now !! Just imagine what we don't know yet ! Then exam the smugness of those they think know much !! Praise Jesus for the opportunity to begin to learn from the Master !!Praise The Lamb:: Amen

I thank everyone for their contributions to the thread and for keeping it "clean".... for the most part.

i find this to be true... any hint of a Christian post and they come in packs to nip at the ankles and foam at the mouth. when i see a thread on something that is far from anything i would subscribe to, the last thing i do is log on there and start bashing everyone in the room.

i don't get it... well, actually i do get it, but it is so interesting to see it in your face.

Yep, I get it, too. There is something attractive here, else why would they keep coming back?

(And good morning S/L!)

There is much in life to distract, deceive, and delude, A/C. You no nothing about me, yet, you condemn me. You think your "truth" is the most important thing in the world, yet you spend ALL your time alienating your potential listeners!!

You actions speak loudly for you A/C.

8. Learning to live in the Father's affection is so vastly different from the other seven that it is incomprehensible to many.

Jesus saved the murderer on the cross at the last moment!

I will repeat what I said above. You must be speaking of your own experience, because you are not speaking of mine.

If you think you are speaking of mine -- someone who is only a few pixels on a computer screen -- then you have no credibility in what you say and as a consequence have lost all credibility with me on other matters.

good morning to you L/L...

about the topic.... i knew it would end up like this. you have posted a scripture reference, and a perfect one... so we will have to weed through the establishing of the basis for your post first before the topic can be discussed. maybe the topic is obvious enough that it doesn't really merit a deep conversation. so, as we muddle through the attacks, the topic is not being ignored, but established.

thanks for a great thread

Thank you A/C. This realization has been one of the most profound of my life.

Thank you CeeJay.

I'm not sure I had any "point" other than to get people thinking, and I believe I succeeded in that.

Knowledge itself is neutral. The fact that knowledge has increased since the Book of Daniel is written istrue.

We have more scriptural knowledge, doctrine, and theology than anyone in Scriptural times ever had, yet, the major of people remain either deceived, distracted, or deluded.

Time for a technical comment, as you have tapped into my area of expertise:

EMP will definitely not "kill" all electronics. A cell phone in my shirt pocket would probably not be affected by a high altitude electromagnetic pulse. It is when our electronic devices are connected to stuff that acts as low frequency antennas (power lines, phone lines, cable TV, internet, house wiring, etc.) that significant energy is delivered to damage a device... and then it's a statistical thing: some things will be damaged, some only upset that require a restart, and to some nothing will happen at all.

You're welcome S/L!

Threads are like ocean waves. We don't create waves, but we can ride them. And we ride them for all they're worth, because we know all waves eventually die out.

Same with threads. They take on a life of their own, and we ride them for all they're worth while we can. We also recognize that they will eventually die, and we go looking for the next one to ride.

Last Edited by Life and Love on 12/30/2010 10:49 AM

life and love and salt and light, maybe this needs to be addressed
some several thousand years before the existence of the language our bible was written in there existed a belief within every human culture that a male messiah/king would form to return humankind to a lifestyle that was previously universally enjoyed



i am not sure why i am prompted to say this other than metatron`s demand of it`s manifestation

one way or another

ty, aether... many prophecies of Jesus came very early on from the ancient religions. Even Buddha spoke in great detail about Jesus' birth, purpose and death.

What is "surrender"?
Is it not similar to what is described above?
Yet, the poster has no Knowledge of being Born-Again, but states it succinctly. "Open up to receive God". Rather like a virginal matrimonial situation; not Knowing what to expect... Might ask others, read, or decide whatever you choose about the "experience" but until you know; you don't.

Yet, there is no Coming Unto The Father by mental rationalization or "thinking". Can't decide by some Cartesian or Aristotelian examination process that you can Trust God Fully with your life. The carnal-heart defends self; always and in all ways.

Jesus' Witness in Matt ch 13 where HE States That He Employs Parables to prevent people from understanding mentally. It is Heartfelt-Understanding that God seeks to Enable.

God does not want your mind, but rather your heart!

Is "trust" a mentally decided thing, or one that comes to us by instinct and feeling? Why does Jesus Witness, again in Matt 13 about "seeing they see not, hearing they hear not"?

Lester, you're a real piece of work! You really have no idea what Jesus is like, do you?

Matt ch 13:
13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16. But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.


Jesus Witnesses the above and then explains The Parable of The Sower to HIS Apostles
18. Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19. When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20. But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21. Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
22. He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23. But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.



Not many will Hear The Gospel with their heart, Trust God and Take Action...

The crux of HIS Born-Again Witness to Nicodemus is John 3:14 that we must "Lift Up The Son Of Man".
1. There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2. The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9. Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10. Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11. Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13. And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:



Nicodemus was in Christ Jesus' immediate presence, but rejected HIS Witness. How is that any different from you on this thread who comment about "the smugness of those they think know much"?

Can't witness and testify that you have been In Father's Presence and made your surrender, thereby HE Gave you HIS New Heart and Enabled you to Know, Keep, and Do HIS Will? Then such is comment on your heart having waxed dull and your being unwilling to Trust HIM Fully and Lift Up The Son Of Man....


Can't "understand" this by rumination or philosophical evaluation. There is no philosophical syllogism to "prove" what your heart can only know through Faith.

Why has surrender been called The Leap Of Faith, and not a leap of reason?

If you have ever been in love and married, did you decide you were in-love by weighing the facts or by trusting your heart? You can give you life to another fallible human being through heartfelt trust, but cannot Trust Infallible And Perfect YahWeh, God The Father, Elohim?

How'd marriage work out for you? If you decided to marry based on analysis of facts? Marriage can have a different meaning to each spouse, but Relationship With God entails Trusting HIM to Always Know what is right for you. Figure that sounds right, but you aren't sure????

God's Will IS Always Perfect!

If you cannot Trust HIM Fully, then I liken you to one of those who were invited to The King's Wedding Feast For HIS Son, but who spurned HIS Invitation. Matt ch 25.

Want to study and ruminate on the idea of Trusting God Fully with your life? Seems logical, right? Carnal-heart always rationalizes why today is not the time to surrender...

Let's see some proof of that.

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Lester, I probably memorized most all those verses before you were even born.

I'm not looking for your scripture knowledge. I just want you to talk to me about Jesus, OK?

Can you do that?

Don't tell me what you know about Him. Tell me how you know Him.

Now THAT would be a Witness in the truest sense of the word.

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Buddhist views of Jesus differ, since Jesus is not mentioned in any Buddhist text.



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Nope! I went to workout as I usually do.

Look, I am not always on virtual reality (The Internet)

Also, I am still trying to grasp how do you see your God with your "spirit"? Can you describe it (paint it, draw it) for the rest of us!?

Aether, have you read Shantideva's "The Way of the Bodhisattva?" Pema Chodron has a modern version that's quite accessible.

"Bodhisattva" is one of the most beautiful words I have ever run across. "Awakened/enlightened spirit/heart/being." When I read Jesus' words "You are the 'light' of the world," I immediately think of sattva.

ok... this should get you started:

[link to www.bibleprobe.com]

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Poor "Coward" soul! :(

Don't know where S&L is, so I'll take a crack at responding your question.

The question seems simple but really isn't because we tend to want to use the tools that are useful in the physical domain (senses like sight, sound, touch, analysis, etc.) for things in the spiritual domain. We really do need to make a "domain shift" to really "get" these things. Some people call this being "born again." I tend to avoid church-speak.

So bear with me and this analogy: How do you navigate underwater? You can't use the skills we learned to navigate on dry land. Speech is unintelligible; walking is difficult; running is nearly impossible. These land-domain tools don't help us in navigating underwater.

To navigate underwater, you have to swim of course! But while you can learn all about swimming while on dry land, the only way to know how to swim is to take the plunge.

Now, that isn't an "answer," but maybe it will help everyone along in the process by realizing that the "answer" won't ever "make sense" in the physical realm.

Last Edited by Life and Love on 12/30/2010 12:11 PM

Lover,

Why can't you Trust God Fully with your own life?
I Know Christ Jesus to be The Way Unto The Father.
Jesus Serves HIS Father's Will, as do i.

I am not the one who cites Daniel rather than The Witness of Christ Jesus, as you did to begin this thread. I have never "trolled for souls" on this or any other board, but if you would identify yourself as Ezekiel 36 Born-Again, I would really question your truthfulness.

You think you Know anything Of-God? Why not witness it?
Except, you actually haven't; have you?


Doesn't matter to me what you and your other carnal-hearted Hebrews 12 buddy/biddies on this thread have decided to agree upon. All that matters is your witness Of-HIM, what you Know and have Seen. Can't or won't witness how you Came Unto The Father and were Given what you claim? That is your business, but does not ring True with me.

These are The Final Moments.
No pussy-footing around by God's People; the Ezekiel 36 Born-Agains who comprise "the very elect". Yet, there is no witness here from you or others on this thread. 15 some-odd pages of feel-good conjecture, but no "meat".

I recognize rationalization and conjecture, plus posturing and posing for what it is. Also Know the defensiveness of the Hebrews 12 Bastard(s)... Those who claim HIM but refuse HIS Chastisement and Correction. Christian witness can be just that, and it bridles, chastens those who remain In-self but pose to be seekers or have set themselves up as persons of sufficient understanding to teach, minister, or preach.

Pretty easy to see those who can't confess Jesus Christ are rather out of place on a Christian Discussion thread, but the snakes in the grass who give false-witness based on their own conjecture are actually anti-Christ and must be identified as such. Would that be you?

It is I who asked you about Jesus as I recall. Why are you avoiding me and hiding behind a wall of words? Either you know Him or you don't. And if you don't know Him, you have no Witness of Him.

I think that's the case, actually, Lester.

I don't know what Jesus is like either since I have not met him!!!