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DOOM - Statistical Proof We Are All Going to Die Soon

 
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We live in an unprecedented time in human history. For much of human history, the population of the world has held steady at a low number, approx. at 200 million.

Only within the last 100 years has the population exploded at an exponential rate, fast approaching 7 billion.

So there are 2 likely scenarios going forward:

Scenario A (Doom) - The population of the world will catastrophically collapse

Scenario B - The population of the world will stabilize and remain steady for an extended period of time

Scenario B is the less likely scenario. Lets say the human population stabilizes around 10 billion, and civilization continues on for thousands and thousands of years.

Assume you are placed randomly in this timeline, it is just as likely you will exist in the year 2111, 2211, 2311, 3011, 40011, 500011, etc. etc. In fact, assuming this scenario, it would be a bizarre coincidence that you exist right at the population boom.

Now consider scenario A, where the population collapses. Assume you are placed randomly on the timeline. Then it is not surprising at all that you exist during the time when the population is at it highest, in fact you would expect that.

Thus, the population of the world will collapse.

This is a more straightforward presentation of the Doomsday Argument.
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Come on you doom monkeys, I present you irrefutable mathematical proof of doom. And instead you prattle on about Nibiru, Illuminati, bigfoot!
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Why don't we take these statistics and go back in time during the agricultural revolution, and say how all humans are going to die, since the curve looks just as explonential then with a pupulation explosion is a fed hundred years all along the Nile and Fertile cresecent.

Surely humans are not smart enough to invent new methods of irrigation which could assure there is enough grain for a ever increasing population!
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Why don't we take these statistics and go back in time during the agricultural revolution, and say how all humans are going to die, since the curve looks just as explonential then with a pupulation explosion is a fed hundred years all along the Nile and Fertile cresecent.

Surely humans are not smart enough to invent new methods of irrigation which could assure there is enough grain for a ever increasing population!
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A few hundred years*
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Why don't we take these statistics and go back in time during the agricultural revolution, and say how all humans are going to die, since the curve looks just as explonential then with a pupulation explosion is a fed hundred years all along the Nile and Fertile cresecent.

Surely humans are not smart enough to invent new methods of irrigation which could assure there is enough grain for a ever increasing population!
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I never argued that the population will continue to grow exponentially, for the very fact you provided (unless we colonize space soon).

If it did continue to grow exponentially, it would further show that Scenario A is most likely.

Furthermore, we do not exist during the agricultural revolution, we exist now.
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Why don't we take these statistics and go back in time during the agricultural revolution, and say how all humans are going to die, since the curve looks just as explonential then with a pupulation explosion is a fed hundred years all along the Nile and Fertile cresecent.

Surely humans are not smart enough to invent new methods of irrigation which could assure there is enough grain for a ever increasing population!
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I never argued that the population will continue to grow exponentially, for the very fact you provided (unless we colonize space soon).

If it did continue to grow exponentially, it would further show that Scenario A is most likely.

Furthermore, we do not exist during the agricultural revolution, we exist now.
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My point is that if we existed during the agricultural revolution you would be making the same argument.
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We are the Sons of Freedom. We greet you at the behest of St Germain. We are his legions of Freedom Fighters of the etheric realms. We salute you who are at the forefront, you who have proclaimed your divine right to liberation, to sovereignty and to peace!



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There will be events that carry the possibility of more brutality and perhaps sacrifice, however there will be events that will surprise you with peacefulness. You are bearing witness to the tenacity of peace, a coming together of different peoples who are really no different than you. Their intention is the same and the focus is the same. The energy of peace has swept the earth. It is unstoppable! Hold on to your hats!



It is time to be heard. It is time for an expression of the longings and the deepest desires of humankind which have been percolating long enough and have come to the surface. It cannot and shall not be stopped. There will be no curtailling, there will be no going back. It is full steam ahead. Bravo!



The forces of old now understand without a doubt that the people are no longer a fearful civilization of sheep! And what can they do? They are rounded up and corralled and must pay the piper.





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Why don't we take these statistics and go back in time during the agricultural revolution, and say how all humans are going to die, since the curve looks just as explonential then with a pupulation explosion is a fed hundred years all along the Nile and Fertile cresecent.

Surely humans are not smart enough to invent new methods of irrigation which could assure there is enough grain for a ever increasing population!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 842859


I never argued that the population will continue to grow exponentially, for the very fact you provided (unless we colonize space soon).

If it did continue to grow exponentially, it would further show that Scenario A is most likely.

Furthermore, we do not exist during the agricultural revolution, we exist now.
 Quoting: CaptainSensible



My point is that if we existed during the agricultural revolution you would be making the same argument.
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The agricultural revolution certainly took thousands of years, over many different civilizations, it certainly did not occur in less than 100 years. I would assume overall world population grew steadily over thousands of years, and not exponentially.
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Why don't we take these statistics and go back in time during the agricultural revolution, and say how all humans are going to die, since the curve looks just as explonential then with a pupulation explosion is a fed hundred years all along the Nile and Fertile cresecent.

Surely humans are not smart enough to invent new methods of irrigation which could assure there is enough grain for a ever increasing population!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 842859


I never argued that the population will continue to grow exponentially, for the very fact you provided (unless we colonize space soon).

If it did continue to grow exponentially, it would further show that Scenario A is most likely.

Furthermore, we do not exist during the agricultural revolution, we exist now.
 Quoting: CaptainSensible



My point is that if we existed during the agricultural revolution you would be making the same argument.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 842859


The agricultural revolution certainly took thousands of years, over many different civilizations, it certainly did not occur in less than 100 years. I would assume overall world population grew steadily over thousands of years, and not exponentially.
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HELLO I am OP from the year 2111 an I traveled back in to tell you that you were wrong about the population of the earth collapsing. Due to the advent of nano-biology we are now able to feed house and extend the lives of tens of billions of people on earth, in fact this new technology has increased life expectancy to 200 years. Only within the last 100 years has the population exploded at an exponential rate, fast approaching 100 billion.

Scenario A (Doom) - The population of the world will catastrophically collapse

Scenario B - The population of the world will stabilize and remain steady for an extended period of time

Scenario B is the less likely scenario. Lets say the human population stabilizes around 100 billion, and civilization continues on for thousands and thousands of years.

Assume all 100 billion of us are placed randomly in this timeline, it is just as likely we will exist in the year 2211, 2311, 3011, 40011, 500011, etc. etc. In fact, assuming this scenario, it would be a bizarre coincidence that we exist right at the population boom.

Now consider scenario A, where the population collapses. Assume we are placed randomly on the timeline. Then it is not surprising at all that we exist during the time when the population is at it highest, in fact we would expect that.


Thus, the population of the world will collapse around 2112.

This is a more straightforward presentation of the future Doomsday Argument.
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I never argued that the population will continue to grow exponentially, for the very fact you provided (unless we colonize space soon).

If it did continue to grow exponentially, it would further show that Scenario A is most likely.

Furthermore, we do not exist during the agricultural revolution, we exist now.
 Quoting: CaptainSensible



My point is that if we existed during the agricultural revolution you would be making the same argument.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 842859


The agricultural revolution certainly took thousands of years, over many different civilizations, it certainly did not occur in less than 100 years. I would assume overall world population grew steadily over thousands of years, and not exponentially.
 Quoting: CaptainSensible


HELLO I am OP from the year 2111 an I traveled back in to tell you that you were wrong about the population of the earth collapsing. Due to the advent of nano-biology we are now able to feed house and extend the lives of tens of billions of people on earth, in fact this new technology has increased life expectancy to 200 years. Only within the last 100 years has the population exploded at an exponential rate, fast approaching 100 billion.

Scenario A (Doom) - The population of the world will catastrophically collapse

Scenario B - The population of the world will stabilize and remain steady for an extended period of time

Scenario B is the less likely scenario. Lets say the human population stabilizes around 100 billion, and civilization continues on for thousands and thousands of years.

Assume all 100 billion of us are placed randomly in this timeline, it is just as likely we will exist in the year 2211, 2311, 3011, 40011, 500011, etc. etc. In fact, assuming this scenario, it would be a bizarre coincidence that we exist right at the population boom.

Now consider scenario A, where the population collapses. Assume we are placed randomly on the timeline. Then it is not surprising at all that we exist during the time when the population is at it highest, in fact we would expect that.


Thus, the population of the world will collapse around 2112.

This is a more straightforward presentation of the future Doomsday Argument.
 Quoting: OP FROM THE YEAR 2111 1274037

from the year 2111 and I traveled back in time to tell myself(you) that you were wrong about the population of the earth collapsing*

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I never argued that the population will continue to grow exponentially, for the very fact you provided (unless we colonize space soon).

If it did continue to grow exponentially, it would further show that Scenario A is most likely.

Furthermore, we do not exist during the agricultural revolution, we exist now.
 Quoting: CaptainSensible



My point is that if we existed during the agricultural revolution you would be making the same argument.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 842859


The agricultural revolution certainly took thousands of years, over many different civilizations, it certainly did not occur in less than 100 years. I would assume overall world population grew steadily over thousands of years, and not exponentially.
 Quoting: CaptainSensible


HELLO I am OP from the year 2111 an I traveled back in to tell you that you were wrong about the population of the earth collapsing. Due to the advent of nano-biology we are now able to feed house and extend the lives of tens of billions of people on earth, in fact this new technology has increased life expectancy to 200 years. Only within the last 100 years has the population exploded at an exponential rate, fast approaching 100 billion.

Scenario A (Doom) - The population of the world will catastrophically collapse

Scenario B - The population of the world will stabilize and remain steady for an extended period of time

Scenario B is the less likely scenario. Lets say the human population stabilizes around 100 billion, and civilization continues on for thousands and thousands of years.

Assume all 100 billion of us are placed randomly in this timeline, it is just as likely we will exist in the year 2211, 2311, 3011, 40011, 500011, etc. etc. In fact, assuming this scenario, it would be a bizarre coincidence that we exist right at the population boom.

Now consider scenario A, where the population collapses. Assume we are placed randomly on the timeline. Then it is not surprising at all that we exist during the time when the population is at it highest, in fact we would expect that.


Thus, the population of the world will collapse around 2112.

This is a more straightforward presentation of the future Doomsday Argument.
 Quoting: OP FROM THE YEAR 2111 1274037


Well shut my mouth.
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sorry OP but I need REAL DOOM to sink teeth into...think volcanos, earthquakes, nuclear war, etc.
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sorry OP but I need REAL DOOM to sink teeth into...think volcanos, earthquakes, nuclear war, etc.
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Yeah I prefer insta-doom myself.

Although my doom is more likely, its not clear when it would happen. Could happen tomorrow, or could happen years from now. Too far away in the future doom :(
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Hey Im OP from the year 1918 I have somhow stepped into a time anomaly that has teleported me to the yeard 1918 where i have assumed the memories of another person and forgotten everything about the future, though i am somehow still telepathically connected with this thread and can communicate my thoughts.

ANYWAY.... I want to say that everyone on this thread that claims the population collapse is gona happen in 2000 and beyond is a shill, because it is in fact happening NOW in the year 1918. We have reached 1 billion people and now the GREAT WAR has killed millions of young men and not only that but this new plague called the SPANISH flu which is decimating the healthy!

Very soon there will not be enough viable young men to run the agriculture which will lead to starvation and complete population collapse! ALso all those people that talk about Antibiotics and Mechanized Agriculture are just bullshit shills triyng to make the sheeple feel safe.
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We could go on like this all day.
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cheer up, we never die. we're just spiritual beings having a human experience. enjoy the ride!
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Statistically it has been proven that every human dies. Sooner or later. It is a cerhidingtainity.
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Hey Im OP from the year 1918 I have somhow stepped into a time anomaly that has teleported me to the yeard 1918 where i have assumed the memories of another person and forgotten everything about the future, though i am somehow still telepathically connected with this thread and can communicate my thoughts.

ANYWAY.... I want to say that everyone on this thread that claims the population collapse is gona happen in 2000 and beyond is a shill, because it is in fact happening NOW in the year 1918. We have reached 1 billion people and now the GREAT WAR has killed millions of young men and not only that but this new plague called the SPANISH flu which is decimating the healthy!

Very soon there will not be enough viable young men to run the agriculture which will lead to starvation and complete population collapse! ALso all those people that talk about Antibiotics and Mechanized Agriculture are just bullshit shills triyng to make the sheeple feel safe.
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