Arizona FTW! Arizona Senate Passes Bill To Let State Nullify Federal Laws

Civil war is coming.

i will be moving there, California is taxing (stealth tax= government fees) us to death!

Last Edited by Franktastic1 on 03/05/2011 09:15 AM

now about 35 other states do it, and we are home free except for a messed up environment, economy, and run away taxes.

wonder if the states could nullify the 16th and 17th Amendments and do it state by state? is that Constitutional?

Don't forget the Banker owned Union calling the other 36 states a confederacy and going civil war on them.

Soon Arizona will be an island unto it's self. Then watch it fall.

You don't seem to understand the Constitution:

"Nullification laws go against the language of the Constitution, which is pretty clear on the subject:

'This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.'"

In contrast, the 10th Amendment states:

'The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.'

So, in summary: States cannot simply opt out of federal laws they do not like. Though they can create state laws on matters not already covered by federal laws.

But, I think you miss the point. The federal government has usurped powers not granted to it and this is why AZ is doing what they are doing.

Since Arizona and Arizonans are not the U.S. Supreme Court, their opinion of whether the federal government has usurped powers not granted to it is essentially irrelevant.

If Arizona truly wants to oppose the federal government, then it would need to formally secede in order to no longer have U.S. laws apply to them.

In the meantime, Arizona passing laws contrary to U.S. laws is irrelevant, as U.S. laws always supercede state laws.

AZ people in danger again.
When will other folks support AZ people and stop saying "Wait until MY STATE (lol) does something?"

LOL


So what is arizona going to do when the water supply problems start, we all know california is going to get the water, what are arizonas plans.


O thats right they would rather worry about pet issues.


What a shithole, Arizona is.

You still miss the point. I understand your assertion but it is not correct.
The Constitution is a contract between the People and the various sovereign States to form a 'union'. Neither the People, nor the States gave up their sovereign rights. This is why there are limitations spelled out to the powers of congress, etc. in the Constitution. Otherwise, what would be the point of spelling out the limitations to power, if this new body known as the federal government was all powerful? The Constitution would merely say that congress, the supreme court and the executive branch have full dictatorial powers over the sovereign People and the sovereign States.

No. This has what has been accepted over the past hundred plus years, even to the time of Abraham Lincoln. Why do you think the Southern States seceded? Why do you think the South called the civil war, 'the war of northern aggression'?

States at any time have the right to secede from the union since they are sovereign. It may be a pleasantry to say 'we secede', but why bother. Simply ignore the so called federal laws that you don't like.

Its only a matter of time until its formal.

psst... Cali sells pot from stores and vending machines while the fed says no... put that in your pipe and smoke it...

And the feds continue to perform raids.

Its sad people think they NEED such bills.

If you mean the bill that AZ passed, they absolutely needed to do it. It was a message to the federal government that they have defacto seceded (i.e. raised middle finger). It is also a message to their own people, that their future perhaps will be a bit different, and TBD. Are the people of AZ going to stand up or go quietly into the night?

Why come no tattoo?

It seems to be. I read this U.N. report yesterday that shows how they're looking at the situation. He mentions Vicente Fox and George W. Bush as the guys who really turned the tide in promoting "human rights" for immigrant workers. He also mentions that Americans have "confused notions" about nationality and citizenship.

[link to www.eclac.cl]

But that's insane.

Nullification is a basic right of every state.

I'm confused by Arizona. :/

Ah, but you seem to forget that if you're going to have the fortitude to invoke "The Constitution" as the basis for your nullifying the Federal nullification mechanism Arizona has enacted then you might want to make certain that all of these acts, statutes, and codes the federal Government deems as "Laws" are indeed lawful as well as Constitutional.

Well, when you think you don't have the right...
You asininely ask for permission.

I feel it.What happenned to Gabby?Maybe it's time for another Arizona teaching moment.

according to who??? Faux news..? Walk into any dispensary and ask how long they've been there. The ones that get shut down do (back door business) or refuse to show records (ie: palm springs) all the ones that (follow the rules) are still there. you show me an article (fear propaganda), I'll take you a picture. ask ANYONE from Cali. Don't believe everything (anything) you see on tv.

Agreed! But it's good news in a way. It shows that people are getting sick and tired of the Feds' over-reaching, broad powers it has given itself. Go Arizona!! More states will join!

I don't need some cunt in a costume to tell me what the constitution says, it's really fucking simple.

Article 1 - Section 8.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

If it's not on that list they can't do it. Get it?

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Lots of dumb people on this thread.

Complete goofballs who think they are experts in constitutional law.

Enjoy your delusions, fools.

Ha ha... F*cking tards.

to add, I'm not saying places never close down, but the only ones I know of personally were in PS for refusing to show records. I stood next to Ed in Long beach at a rally for prop 15 back in the day, thousands of "pot heads smoking" and ONE board cop to oversee. San Fransisco Hemp festival at Maritime hall... [link to images.wolfgangsvault.com] cops at the door searching through bags before entry... bong... weed... hackysack... more weed... no weapons... have a nice time :) that's really all I'm saying here, find similar stories from ANY other state

Oh, and I guess that you are an expert.
What delusion? AZ is giving the middle finger. Is that an illusion?

No... it's sad that people NEED such bills. Not that they think so.