Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 11898710 United States 03/06/2012 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public All of Western US and most of East Coast, Midwest, Canada covered with airborne particles at various altitudes on March 20, Fukushima plume model shows — Based solely on Reactor No. 1 explosion (PHOTO) In addition to 131I and 137Cs, traces of other radionuclides were detected in the aerosol filters as well. Their concentrations in the most active sample collected on 3-4 April 2011 14:00e06:50 UTC were: 132I e 0.12 +/- 0.01 mBq/m3 132Te e 0.13 +/- 0.01 mBq/m3 129Te e 0.40 +/- 0.04 mBq/m3 129mTe e0.75 +/- 0.25 mBq/m3 136Cs e 0.080 +/- 0.0080mBq/m3 [...] Large collected air volumes allowed us to determine for the first time in Europe the activity ratio and concentration of Fukushima derived 238Pu and 239,240Pu isotopes. Approximately twice higher Pu activity concentration as expected, and 238Pu/239,240Pu ratio not typical either for global fallout or the Chernobyl accident was found in the integrated aerosol sample. [link to enenews.com] |
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Half Past Midnight User ID: 781996 United States 03/06/2012 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public How long before an increase in thyroid cancer shows up from this? I'm sure 'they' will just explain it away with something stupid like "there are more people living now so of course there's going to be an increase in ALL diseases". |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 11898710 United States 03/06/2012 06:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public Thank you to poster Matilda on enenews. the dose limit in microSieverts per year is 10 microSievert per year yes, you've read well....and as we are speaking of Iodine 131 the limit of the 10 microSievert/year is very easily achieved as follows: for an adult with 455 Bq of I-131 for a 10 year old child with 192 Bq of I-131 and Bqfor a 2 year old child with 55Bq of I-131 please note that girls are more succeptible than boys the situation is very, very grave.....without even considering all those hot fuel flees that have set up camp in childrens lungs, bloodstream and other organs....they've turned the N.Hemispere into a giant gas-death-chamber and as it is hard for people to understand in practical terms i'll give an example. lets say your young child is drinking milk as Sky775 above metnioned that has a contamination of 1Bq/liter of 1Bq/kilogramm , than the maximum permissable yearly dose will be achieved within 2-3 weeks. for an adult the consamption of 10Bq/lit or kg will have the same effect. to convert a dietery intake in Bq into a dose of microSievert you only have to multiply the amount in Bq X 0.11= and you get the dose in microSievert and as the states use picocouries per litre you can converd those into Bq by multiplying them with 0.037 amount in pci x 0.037 = amount in Bq [link to enenews.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8036375 United States 03/06/2012 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public I went swimming in the waters of Hawaii a week ago and noticed my skin glowing afterwards.. Kind of like superheroes in movies. Also been to the cold air of Alaska so when can I go get tested? I knew this was going to happen. But what can we do? Not a damn thing. |
ehecatl User ID: 11967579 Mexico 03/06/2012 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public Those who were "testing the aerosols collected in filters" had a grasp on how to correctly judge the effects of radioactive material as a fine dust (as opposed to simple environmental radiation measured on a Geiger counter.) Citizens might do similar unscientific tests by measuring the difference in radiation levels between air filters and ambient readings. It is a crime that the reactors are still open wounds to the sky, not causing damage by releasing radiation, but rather by releasing radioactive particles, which are the real problem. Capping the open wounds with boron and concrete would at least filter most airborne radioactive materials, which continue to boil through ruptured containment vessels into the air. What purpose does it serve keeping those reactors open? The government and those in control are acting like idiots keeping those festering wounds open and not entombed. Does it help to "jab it with a stick"? or "just keep an eye on it" for the next 20,000 years? Last Edited by ehecatl on 03/06/2012 08:08 PM |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 11898710 United States 03/06/2012 08:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public Those who were "testing the aerosols collected in filters" had a grasp on how to correctly judge the effects of radioactive material as a fine dust (as opposed to simple environmental radiation measured on a Geiger counter.) Quoting: ehecatl Citizens might do similar unscientific tests by measuring the difference in radiation levels between air filters and ambient readings. It is a crime that the reactors are still open wounds to the sky, not causing damage by releasing radiation, but rather by releasing radioactive particles, which are the real problem. Capping the open wounds with boron and concrete would at least filter most airborne radioactive materials, which continue to boil through ruptured containment vessels into the air. What purpose does it serve keeping those reactors open? The government and those in control are acting like idiots keeping those festering wounds open and not entombed. Does it help to "jab it with a stick"? or "just keep an eye on it" for the next 20,000 years? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 11898710 United States 03/06/2012 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public US evacuation out at least 150-200 miles, past Tokyo? Concerned NRC Staff: “Why are we being so rigid in terms of doing the right thing?” — Radiation exposure “just one of many considerations” MALE PARTICIPANT: Are we (inaudible) to give recommendations to the Ambassador. Because we got into this at the beginning, like (inaudible) advising the Ambassador. MIKE CASE: Yes. MALE PARTICIPANT: So, (inaudible) only go out to 50 miles. FEMALE PARTICIPANT: But the request we had yesterday at 6:54 a.m., which we're still waiting on, has to go out past Tokyo, go out at least 150-200 miles. MIKE CASE: Okay. FEMALE PARTICIPANT: Well, we should be able to get that information -- MALE PARTICIPANT: At least the first estimate. [...] MALE PARTICIPANT: I have Tom Roberts here with me, and I guess we're hearing that Admiral Donald wanted to talk to the Chairman to get some clarification. MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. And so, are you plugged into that, to advise on whether it makes sense radiologically to -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes. No, I think it's more than radiological issues -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Uh-hum. MALE PARTICIPANT: -- that the Ambassador has under consideration right now. You know, our position is that it is MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. This is -- MALE PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible) -- MALE PARTICIPANT: This is not some we've calculated or we've recommended. We're responding to the Ambassador's request at this point. MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay. Let me ask the question, isn't there an ALARA consideration here at some level? We calculate that if, in fact, the asumptions [sic] made relative to your 50-mile PEG calculation come to pass, that you would get like 1 to rem total effective dose equivalent out to 150 to miles. And wouldn't it make sense, if we're talking now voluntary departure, wouldn't it make sense to recommend voluntary departure in the name of avoiding that level of population dose? MALE PARTICIPANT: Do you want my personal opinion? MALE PARTICIPANT: Sure. MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. MALE PARTICIPANT: That's my own personal view. And radiation is just one factor. MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. So, but what we are charged with advising on radiation or you are charged with advising -- MALE PARTICIPANT: And that's in our protective action to up to 50 miles. MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, but why are we being so rigid in terms of doing the right thing? The right thing is an ALARA thing here, in addition to strict interpretation of PEG. MALE PARTICIPANT: If you went to a (inaudible, possible "law") -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes. MALE PARTICIPANT: -- I suppose, I suppose you could get there. MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes, so the question is, how much should the law play into -- FEMALE PARTICIPANT: Yes. MALE PARTICIPANT: And the scope of that, as you understood it from him, was -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. Now, if we were asked to advise strictly on radiological grounds, you would or would not take into consideration ALARA? MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes, I would, but I keep coming back to I think that, if you're out beyond the 50-mile zone, there are other factors -- MALE PARTICIPANT: That take in -- MALE PARTICIPANT: -- that bear on this decision.. MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay. VONNA ORDAZ: And other countries have recognized that as well in releases. MALE PARTICIPANT: In the press releases -- thanks. Vonna Ordaz is here with me, and she is saying in the press releases other countries are acknowledging that the radioactive dose is just one of many considerations. VONNA ORDAZ: Structural (inaudible) -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. VONNA ORDAZ: -- transportation, communications, and other -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, yes. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6801463 United Kingdom 03/07/2012 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public US evacuation out at least 150-200 miles, past Tokyo? Concerned NRC Staff: “Why are we being so rigid in terms of doing the right thing?” — Radiation exposure “just one of many considerations” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11898710 MALE PARTICIPANT: Are we (inaudible) to give recommendations to the Ambassador. Because we got into this at the beginning, like (inaudible) advising the Ambassador. MIKE CASE: Yes. MALE PARTICIPANT: So, (inaudible) only go out to 50 miles. FEMALE PARTICIPANT: But the request we had yesterday at 6:54 a.m., which we're still waiting on, has to go out past Tokyo, go out at least 150-200 miles. MIKE CASE: Okay. FEMALE PARTICIPANT: Well, we should be able to get that information -- MALE PARTICIPANT: At least the first estimate. [...] MALE PARTICIPANT: I have Tom Roberts here with me, and I guess we're hearing that Admiral Donald wanted to talk to the Chairman to get some clarification. MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. And so, are you plugged into that, to advise on whether it makes sense radiologically to -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes. No, I think it's more than radiological issues -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Uh-hum. MALE PARTICIPANT: -- that the Ambassador has under consideration right now. You know, our position is that it is MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. This is -- MALE PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible) -- MALE PARTICIPANT: This is not some we've calculated or we've recommended. We're responding to the Ambassador's request at this point. MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay. Let me ask the question, isn't there an ALARA consideration here at some level? We calculate that if, in fact, the asumptions [sic] made relative to your 50-mile PEG calculation come to pass, that you would get like 1 to rem total effective dose equivalent out to 150 to miles. And wouldn't it make sense, if we're talking now voluntary departure, wouldn't it make sense to recommend voluntary departure in the name of avoiding that level of population dose? MALE PARTICIPANT: Do you want my personal opinion? MALE PARTICIPANT: Sure. MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. MALE PARTICIPANT: That's my own personal view. And radiation is just one factor. MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. So, but what we are charged with advising on radiation or you are charged with advising -- MALE PARTICIPANT: And that's in our protective action to up to 50 miles. MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, but why are we being so rigid in terms of doing the right thing? The right thing is an ALARA thing here, in addition to strict interpretation of PEG. MALE PARTICIPANT: If you went to a (inaudible, possible "law") -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes. MALE PARTICIPANT: -- I suppose, I suppose you could get there. MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes, so the question is, how much should the law play into -- FEMALE PARTICIPANT: Yes. MALE PARTICIPANT: And the scope of that, as you understood it from him, was -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. Now, if we were asked to advise strictly on radiological grounds, you would or would not take into consideration ALARA? MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes, I would, but I keep coming back to I think that, if you're out beyond the 50-mile zone, there are other factors -- MALE PARTICIPANT: That take in -- MALE PARTICIPANT: -- that bear on this decision.. MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay. VONNA ORDAZ: And other countries have recognized that as well in releases. MALE PARTICIPANT: In the press releases -- thanks. Vonna Ordaz is here with me, and she is saying in the press releases other countries are acknowledging that the radioactive dose is just one of many considerations. VONNA ORDAZ: Structural (inaudible) -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. VONNA ORDAZ: -- transportation, communications, and other -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, yes. I can't figure all the --'s here :( Would anyone care to fill me in ? |
Atom-Boy User ID: 11279027 Japan 03/07/2012 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public The Word you need to look for is: "Estimate", please have a look what this Word mean! The NSA didn't know what was going on in F'Shima so they used the most bad Simulations! Please check the Facts! G.Y.!B.E. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6801463 United Kingdom 03/07/2012 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public The Word you need to look for is: Quoting: Atom-Boy "Estimate", please have a look what this Word mean! The NSA didn't know what was going on in F'Shima so they used the most bad Simulations! Please check the Facts! VONNA ORDAZ: Structural (inaudible) -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. VONNA ORDAZ: -- transportation, communications, and other -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, yes. Becomes: VONNA ORDAZ: Structural (inaudible) estimate MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. VONNA ORDAZ: estimate transportation, communications, and other estimate MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, yes. WTF? |
MoonChildChazz User ID: 11646307 United States 03/07/2012 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public Getting those toxic and radioactive elements out of the soil is crucial to restoring the ecosystem after a nuclear disaster. A technique called “phytoremediation” uses certain plants to leech these elements from the soil… guess which one is one of the best at that task? Good old industrial hemp, cannabis’ non-drug cousin that our government bans because our police are too uneducated to tell the difference. Chazz |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 11898710 United States 03/07/2012 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public US evacuation out at least 150-200 miles, past Tokyo? Concerned NRC Staff: “Why are we being so rigid in terms of doing the right thing?” — Radiation exposure “just one of many considerations” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11898710 MALE PARTICIPANT: Are we (inaudible) to give recommendations to the Ambassador. Because we got into this at the beginning, like (inaudible) advising the Ambassador. MIKE CASE: Yes. MALE PARTICIPANT: So, (inaudible) only go out to 50 miles. FEMALE PARTICIPANT: But the request we had yesterday at 6:54 a.m., which we're still waiting on, has to go out past Tokyo, go out at least 150-200 miles. MIKE CASE: Okay. FEMALE PARTICIPANT: Well, we should be able to get that information -- MALE PARTICIPANT: At least the first estimate. [...] MALE PARTICIPANT: I have Tom Roberts here with me, and I guess we're hearing that Admiral Donald wanted to talk to the Chairman to get some clarification. MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. And so, are you plugged into that, to advise on whether it makes sense radiologically to -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes. No, I think it's more than radiological issues -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Uh-hum. MALE PARTICIPANT: -- that the Ambassador has under consideration right now. You know, our position is that it is MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. This is -- MALE PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible) -- MALE PARTICIPANT: This is not some we've calculated or we've recommended. We're responding to the Ambassador's request at this point. MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay. Let me ask the question, isn't there an ALARA consideration here at some level? We calculate that if, in fact, the asumptions [sic] made relative to your 50-mile PEG calculation come to pass, that you would get like 1 to rem total effective dose equivalent out to 150 to miles. And wouldn't it make sense, if we're talking now voluntary departure, wouldn't it make sense to recommend voluntary departure in the name of avoiding that level of population dose? MALE PARTICIPANT: Do you want my personal opinion? MALE PARTICIPANT: Sure. MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. MALE PARTICIPANT: That's my own personal view. And radiation is just one factor. MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. So, but what we are charged with advising on radiation or you are charged with advising -- MALE PARTICIPANT: And that's in our protective action to up to 50 miles. MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, but why are we being so rigid in terms of doing the right thing? The right thing is an ALARA thing here, in addition to strict interpretation of PEG. MALE PARTICIPANT: If you went to a (inaudible, possible "law") -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes. MALE PARTICIPANT: -- I suppose, I suppose you could get there. MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes, so the question is, how much should the law play into -- FEMALE PARTICIPANT: Yes. MALE PARTICIPANT: And the scope of that, as you understood it from him, was -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. Now, if we were asked to advise strictly on radiological grounds, you would or would not take into consideration ALARA? MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes, I would, but I keep coming back to I think that, if you're out beyond the 50-mile zone, there are other factors -- MALE PARTICIPANT: That take in -- MALE PARTICIPANT: -- that bear on this decision.. MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay. VONNA ORDAZ: And other countries have recognized that as well in releases. MALE PARTICIPANT: In the press releases -- thanks. Vonna Ordaz is here with me, and she is saying in the press releases other countries are acknowledging that the radioactive dose is just one of many considerations. VONNA ORDAZ: Structural (inaudible) -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. VONNA ORDAZ: -- transportation, communications, and other -- MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, yes. I can't figure all the --'s here :( Would anyone care to fill me in ? Inaudible or finishing each others sentences. It's transcribed from audio. Go to the links and read the comments. Hope that helps. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4472362 Canada 03/07/2012 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public Is that why the pharmacies pulled all the Iodine tablets off the shelves as soon as Fukushima happened and made it unavailable to the public? It's still unavailable and I wonder why? |
Atom-Boy User ID: 11279027 Japan 03/07/2012 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public Is that why the pharmacies pulled all the Iodine tablets off the shelves as soon as Fukushima happened and made it unavailable to the public? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4472362 It's still unavailable and I wonder why? Because in the Medicine we know that Iodine is not harmless and for older People it make no sense to use it, only Chidren can benefit but there is a chance for a Shock Reaction! To use Iodine above the Age of ca. 25 is futile, dangerous and stupid, to give Iodine to Children is not 100% safe and the Intake should be Supervised by medical Staff, like a Nurse or Doc! Many People use/d Iodine daily since 03/11, this created a lot of problems! G.Y.!B.E. |
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Atom-Boy User ID: 11279027 Japan 03/08/2012 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public Is there a Source for this Statement? I was thinking to eat the Iodine Pills too (We got them from our Embassy) but i decided against it because i could give the Pills to the young Kids of our Friends, instead me i could protect 5 from Cesium! G.Y.!B.E. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12169368 United States 03/08/2012 07:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants after Fukushima — NOT releasing info to public Is there a Source for this Statement? I was thinking to eat the Iodine Pills too (We got them from our Embassy) but i decided against it because i could give the Pills to the young Kids of our Friends, instead me i could protect 5 from Cesium! It was in one of his first Helen Caldicott interviews after Fukushima if I remember right. |