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Message Subject Can a born again Christian lose their salvation??
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FoG said:

"This is made clear in Hebrews1:4 where 'better' is used to describe Jesus´ superiority over the angels...The word 'better' in this verse indicates that Jesus is not just higher than the angels positionally. But is higher than the angels in His very nature.. Jesus is better in kind and in nature from the angels."

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Yes, Jesus was above the angels (as distinguished from the beliefs of some of the gnostics), and in His incarnation "was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death" (Heb. 2:9). And He is the Captain of our salvation and our elder brother. We are sons of God and brothers of Christ:

"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee ... Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people."

So we are Christ's BROTHERS -- through Him the Father is "bringing man sons unto glory" and we are one with Christ (Heb. 2:11 above), "partakers of Christ." (Heb. 3:14). Are we literally "brothers and sons" (especially upon glorification) -- or is this just some kind of metaphor or play on words? What does it mean that Christ was the Captain bringing many sons to glory, and "the firstfruit" (1 Cor. 15) among His brothers?

By virtue of our unity as the very Body of Christ, one with Him ... His inheritance is our inheritance. What does Paul mean in Ephesians 2:5-7 where he says: " hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST JESUS: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."

We are reckoned as having ascended into the heavens and seated with Christ in His throne! We are sons and brothers. Read Hebrews 1 in this context.

Ephesians 1:17-23:
"That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what THE RICHES OF THE GLORY OF HIS INHERITANCE IN THE SAINTS,

"And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him AT HIS OWN RIGHT HAND IN THE HEAVENLY PLACES, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: <>

"And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all."

2 Timothy 2:12: *"We shall also reign with Him."* This is our inheritance!

Again, Heb. 2:5ff:
"For unto the ANGELS hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: <>Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. <>

**For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified ARE ALL OF ONE: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren**

1 Cor. 6:2-3:
"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? KNOW YE NOT THAT WE SHALL JUDGE ANGELS?"

Yes, Christ is higher than the angels. And when our salvation is fully consumated, so will we be also! This is part of our inheritance as the brother of Jesus Christ -- a SON of God -- not mere servants. Our identity and destiny is IN Jesus Christ. There's alot more to it than "just 'rollin 'round heaven all day"!

"But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. "
 
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