Can anyone explain why the religious are so obtuse mentally, to even think outside the box?

At the core of every religiontard there is an egotistical, know it sll who has a mind sealed tighter then fort knox.

are you a leftist? I find more religious tards more clued in than the vast majority of leftists, democrats, obummer supporters.

I'll side with them if they support the Constitution than with any left winger when the time comes.

I used to be a Christian and I did believe in God. But I did my own research because I had way too many unanswered questions. Yes, some atheists might believe in plasma cosmology, as you say, BUT this is a scientific theory, not some religious idea. In a survey it was estimated that close to 95% of scientists are atheists. Why would this be if you are correct?

Are you actually saying that the majority of brilliant scientists are brainwashed? You can't talk about quantum physics ideas and then turn that into some invisible creator God. Which God do you believe in? Is it the Christian God or some other God? How do you know which book to believe in.

You have no proof for anything that is supernatural. Those are the facts. Where is this God? The world operates exactly as you would expect it to if there were no God. You need to believe in God because you are desperate for immortality. But evolution proves that we are animals. If you don't think your dog will live after death or some ant or the pig you ate for breakfast (I am talking about bacon, not your girlfriend) then why would you assume that you do? It is the ego, plain and simple.

What do I, as an atheist, have to gain by believing what I do. The answer is nothing. I don't get to live after death. I don't get to pretend that some God loves me and listens to my prayers. I live in the real world. Ask yourself what you gain by believing what you do. I'll bet it has to do with the idea that you get to live forever. And that is the only reason you believe in the supernatural.

Evolution is proven and that is precisely why almost every scientist stands behind it. Who should I believe? AN intelligent scientist who went to Harvard or Yale or you, a man who desperately clings to the supernatural in a hope that he can live forever?

simply put is indoctrination since childhood. from all angles family school mainstream society and culture. if one admits god isnt real it implies their parents family members friends people they respect and look up to were wrong and stupid.

best cure awareness speaking out. confronting them online or irl in a polite bold manner.

So everyone who does research must come to the same conclusions as you? That sounds awfully arrogant to me.

You missed the point about plasma cosmology: that some scientists believe in things that are not physical and are unprovable, and that you don't have to be a theist to disagree with mainstream theories. And if you can claim that all theists are brainwashed in spite of how many millions of them there are, then take your own medicine.

And if you haven't grasped the illustration of the calibrated thermometer by this point, you're not going to, and there's no point in explaining it again.

I've given you questions to ask yourself, and can only hope that someday you will.

No, evo is not proven at all; it isn't even falsifiable. Now you add the fallacy of appeal to authority, as if there are no such things as conspiracies in science... and in GLP!

Good night... literally and figuratively.

^^^ to add on this i do believe in metaphysics self/group/world consciousness. ethereal forces of the universe we dont yet understand.

Your silly analogy of the thermometer is flawed reasoning, and what is more...you know it. If I have a thermometer in front of me, it has the temperature gauges on it that tell me how high or how low it can go.

Now, I suppose if I PRETEND that I have an invisible thermometer, I could be a child and pretend that the imaginary thermometer could go up much higher than the gauge tells me it could. But, realistically, I would see that the temperature can only go as high as is shown on the gauge.

There is a certain point where it might be difficult to determine how high a temperature is, I suppose. But this is not something in the realm of the supernatural. This is still dealing with the laws of nature, and if we had a thermometer to gauge the heat, it would tell us exactly how hot it is.

This analogy has nothing at all to do with your supernatural belief in God. That is just being superstitious and immature. If creationism is real, why is it not taught in college classrooms? They have classes in quantum physics, evolution and subjects like that, but you won't find the story of a God who created man from a clump of dirt. Grow up, please, do the world a favor.

pick up some ash ,some dust -contemplate that-watch it dissipate into the wind.
look at your hand
amazing huh/?

There will always be many more theists than atheists. Why do you think atheists are mostly hated in the U.S.A. It is because you people cling to these beliefs in supernatural deities and you know we have the truth. You just hate how it sounds. That explains why there are churches on every corner. The Christian NEEDS to believe, but I told you that before. I guess you didn't grasp it or you didn't want to grasp it.

Plasma cosmology, again, has to do with scientific research. It has nothing to do with some god/alien/goddess or whatever you want to credit with creating you. It may not be physical and it may still be a theory, not completely fact yet, but you better believe that lots of studies and research proves that it could be true.

Such is not the case with your God. No research could ever prove the existence of God because of a very simple reason. God does not exist. If you can't face that, then I feel sorry for you. COme to terms with your own mortality. Enjoy the one life you have because it is all you will ever get. Stop being a child, holding on the beliefs in elves and fairies and gods because you want to believe in them. You live in a natural world, not a supernatural one. Grow up.

Generally outside the box is just a bigger box.

Actually thinking outside the box of belief requires knowledge of Truth.

Until you know Truth.

You are just using lies to measure lies inside of a box you don't know exists.

If evolution hasn't been proven, why would it be a course taught in most major universities? The theory of evolution is just as proven as the theory of gravity. You are completely wrong.

So goodnight. I always like to say, when the going gets tough, the Christian gets going.

What is amazing? That your hand will eventually be dust or ash?

You have it backwards. If you do real research on the big bang and primordial soup, you will find there is no science behind it and its all made up.

Did you know Israel has a recorded history? Have you bothered to match it with the Bible?

Appeal to majority is a logical fallacy.

Because according to their faith if they do think outside the box they will go to hell for eternity haha its fucking sad!

So you are a conspiracy theorist who believes wholeheartedly that the scientists pushin evolution couldnt have an alterior agenda? Have you ever looked through the fossil records? Have you ever done the research yourself? No... you take it on faith that these men are being truthful... there is no difference between you and these bible thumpers... wake the fuck up homie.

It's not the mass majority of any religion, just pockets of extremists and hard-liners. Many of them just reacting the way they do because they're afraid of their religious foundation of faith being challenged in anyway. They don't have much faith and end up taking it out on people just looking for or questioning the truth of reality and life.

You dont know how many creationists have been brilliant scientists. When you appeal to the 'majority', you dont mean all scientists. Just the ones you can hear about with the govt grant money, and the tenured professors who would lose their jobs if they taught creation. That is your majority, and there is an intellectual siberia that creationist teachers face when the ACLU and other groups threaten them.

Whats 'outside the box'? A big bang and primordial soup?

Fuck nah! Athiesm is ten times as idiotic as christianity.

Hevan and hell are mere conceptions we hold since we are stuck in this dualistic plane. Think about it, do you really think god exists in a dualistic reality? Why would our afterlife be dualistic if we are existing on the same plane as god?

There is alot outside the box my friend. Let go of your fears and look inwars for the answers. Meditate on these words and truth shall flow to you in great amounts.

1. The Hebrew priests destroyed and rewrote much of their older history, so a lot of it isn't going to be realistic or accurate.

2. You are making a bold assumption to support your argument and poisoning the well.

3. You are asking an impossible question. Science studies the natural world, how can scientific studies be done on something beyond nature? There is also the problem with the word supernatural because it can be used when things are beyond current understanding. Something can be considered supernatural and be perfectly natural. Many of Jesus's miracles actually followed natural law, but transcended time (healing and making wine). Only thing I can think of being supernatural was the feeding of the 5,000. The walking on water bit was actually in Peter's dream, a fanciful vision.

When religion is divested of a personal God, its prayers translate to the levels of theology and philosophy. When the highest God concept of a religion is that of an impersonal Deity, such as in pantheistic idealism, although affording the basis for certain forms of mystic communion, it proves fatal to the potency of true prayer, which always stands for man’s communion with a personal and superior being. During the earlier times of racial evolution and even at the present time, in the day-by-day experience of the average mortal, prayer is very much a phenomenon of man’s intercourse with his own subconscious. But there is also a domain of prayer wherein the intellectually alert and spiritually progressing individual attains more or less contact with the superconscious levels of the human mind, the domain of the Indwelling Spirit. In addition, there is a definite spiritual phase of true prayer which concerns its reception and recognition by the spiritual forces of the universe, and which is entirely distinct from all human and intellectual association.

4. Just because you cannot fathom the idea of faith, it does not mean it is wrong. It seems like you are trying to impress your values onto others because you think you are superior.

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They teach the course in college, stupid. Why would scientists have ulterior motives. It is not like Christianity. How could you possibly teach a course on creationism in college. You can't even realistically teach a kid in kindergarten that God is real. He isn't real. Grow up, homie.

You probably don't know the first thing about evolution. The fossil record is accurate and shows evolution. Fossils are laid down in order, for instance, the dinosaur fossil will always be in the lower levels of the strata whereas a rabbit will be much higher. Almost all scientists believe in evolution. Go ask one. I dare you.

Simple they have been raised on it. It formed their "core", its their whole world. Hard to break that.

How do you know we are stuck in this plane? And whats the alternative, that you came from an ape? Think about that and you might be able to adopt the Christian worldview, which is the only one that allows for truth.

Are you trying to 'break that' here?

Hahaha who gives two shits about college courses... you are saying that since it is taught to stupid kids who were brought up believing everything the teacher says that it must be true? At one time in earths history it was a well known fact that the world was flat and that the planets orbited earth... the smartest scientists of that time also believed this...

Yeah they all believe it because their feeble little minds cant comprehend that they are a part of the creator. You think that earths life is just dumb luck and has absolutely no purpose?

Yeah religion is bullshit but god is very real my friend and the true god is more beautiful than you can even imagine. We all share one consciousness, god.

There is no God. If there is, you are the one who has to prove this. I simply don't believe in gods, just like I don't believe in unicorns or elves. Faith is a belief in something that can never be proven. I don't prefer to live in a world of my own imagination. Truth is the most important thing to me.

Prayer does not work. There have been many studies on this and it does not work. For instance, if I am an amputee, I could pray to any god out there to regrow my limb and it would never happen. People only pray for things they think God might do or could possibly do. Jesus said when two people pray together, he will come into their midst and give them what they ask for. This would NEVER happen. Prayer is for superstitious people.

You could never prove that God answered one of your prayers. That is because you would only pray for something like, a cure for your cancer. If you would be cured, you could say "God did it." But in reality it would be chemotherapy, your doctors, etc. that did it. God would not have anything to do with it. And you would NEVER pray to go to regrow your limb, because you already know prayer doesn't work.

The bible is the key to wisdom understanding justice and mercy. You are mistaken.