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October 6, 2013 – WASHINGTON – As we close out the first week of the government shutdown, a bigger and even more toxic disaster is creeping into the fray that could make the contentious budget battle look like a slap fight. The Treasury Department said Uncle Sam will be broke by October 17th unless something is done. Treasury secretary Jack Lew hammered home that point Thursday by releasing an unusually ominous statement that warned of catastrophic risks to the economy. House Speaker John Boehner has said he won’t let the government default on its debt, but until steps are taken to raise the nation’s debt ceiling, the possibility of default is still theoretically alive. “If they seriously default on the debt, what we’re really talking about is a depression,” says veteran financial sector analyst Richard Bove, VP of research at Rafferty Capital Markets. In the news video he explains how the fallout would be a lot worse than the recession suffered in 2008 and the aftershocks would be felt for at least a decade. “The first thing you have to do is look at who holds the debt,” Bove says of the $16.7 trillion of bonds the U.S. currently has outstanding. “The first, biggest owner (of U.S. debt) is the social security fund, so you’d have all of these people who are receiving social security payments who now have to question whether they’ll get their payments.” Clearly, that would cause a huge disruption to millions of Americans. But Bove says that is only the beginning since the second biggest holder of Treasuries (at about 12% of the total) is the Federal Reserve, which has “91% of its assets backed by U.S. government debt.” If the value of those assets were to decline, which they indisputably would in a default, Bove says the net effect would be that “we have nothing of value backing the dollar.” They’re actually “Federal Reserve Notes’ as well as the number one asset of choice held in the reserves of governments and businesses all over the world.

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Q: Would seniors continue to get Social Security benefits?

Yes. Social Security is a mandatory spending program, and the people who send those checks would continue to work under a legal doctrine called "necessary implication.
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political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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Well that won't happen.
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Q: Would seniors continue to get Social Security benefits?

Yes. Social Security is a mandatory spending program, and the people who send those checks would continue to work under a legal doctrine called "necessary implication.
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Thank you very much for the pin!

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I think we're about to separate the sheep from the goats (so to speak):

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from 2011 - this shouldnt be an issue...hes got a poker face on. call out the fuckin bluff.

What Happened to the $2.6 Trillion Social Security Trust Fund?

Here’s why: Social Security has a trust fund, and that trust fund is supposed to have $2.6 trillion in it, according to the Social Security trustees. If there are real assets in the trust fund, then Social Security can mail the checks, regardless of what Congress does about the debt limit.

President Obama’s budget director, Jack Lew, explained all this last February in USA Today:

“Social Security benefits are entirely self-financing. They are paid for with payroll taxes collected from workers and their employers throughout their careers. These taxes are placed in a trust fund dedicated to paying benefits owed to current and future beneficiaries. … Even though Social Security began collecting less in taxes than it paid in benefits in 2010, the trust fund will continue to accrue interest and grow until 2025, and will have adequate resources to pay full benefits for the next 26 years.”

Notice that Lew said nothing about raising the debt ceiling, which was already looming, and it shouldn’t matter anyway because Social Security is “entirely self-financing” and off budget. What could be clearer?

[link to www.forbes.com]
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political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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But... the pretty girl from The New York Times says this is very bad and we are all doomed. She also confirms what many have already rumored... that S.S. payments would be delayed if the default goes through heading into November.

Worse then 2008.

Worse then The Great Depression.

scared

In all seriousness, I found this video above very informative.

hf
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from 2011 - this shouldnt be an issue...hes got a poker face on. call out the fuckin bluff.

What Happened to the $2.6 Trillion Social Security Trust Fund?

Here’s why: Social Security has a trust fund, and that trust fund is supposed to have $2.6 trillion in it, according to the Social Security trustees. If there are real assets in the trust fund, then Social Security can mail the checks, regardless of what Congress does about the debt limit.

President Obama’s budget director, Jack Lew, explained all this last February in USA Today:

“Social Security benefits are entirely self-financing. They are paid for with payroll taxes collected from workers and their employers throughout their careers. These taxes are placed in a trust fund dedicated to paying benefits owed to current and future beneficiaries. … Even though Social Security began collecting less in taxes than it paid in benefits in 2010, the trust fund will continue to accrue interest and grow until 2025, and will have adequate resources to pay full benefits for the next 26 years.”

Notice that Lew said nothing about raising the debt ceiling, which was already looming, and it shouldn’t matter anyway because Social Security is “entirely self-financing” and off budget. What could be clearer?

[link to www.forbes.com]
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That is good news and good to know, but TRUSTING these liars and criminals to HONOR their own promises, rules and obligations is where I feel "uneasy".

But thanks Phenn for the links and info! Very appreciated.

hf
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But... the pretty girl from The New York Times says this is very bad and we are all doomed. She also confirms what many have already rumored... that S.S. payments would be delayed if the default goes through heading into November.

Worse then 2008.

Worse then The Great Depression.

scared

In all seriousness, I found this video above very informative.

hf
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Bunch of stupid hee ho honking boobs man! :D
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Well that won't happen.
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Just add the word "bomber" after "elderly" and "suicide"....

[link to www.suicidology.org]

The elderly made up 12.9% of the population; they accounted for almost 15.9% of all suicides.

There was one elderly suicide every 90 minutes. There were about 16 elderly suicides each day resulting in 5,858 suicides in among those 65 and older.
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Clinton stole the money to pay down the national debt.
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a great depression and no social security payments is what we have coming to us? are you serious!? will there at least be food stamps!?
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Q: Would seniors continue to get Social Security benefits?

Yes. Social Security is a mandatory spending program, and the people who send those checks would continue to work under a legal doctrine called "necessary implication.
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Thank you very much for the pin!

hf cheer
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Your very welcome.
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a great depression and no social security payments is what we have coming to us? are you serious!? will there at least be food stamps!?
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im just kidding with you op this is the best news ive heard all year. great find kudos
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well, you ****s got anything else to say!?
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October 6, 2013 – WASHINGTON – As we close out the first week of the government shutdown, a bigger and even more toxic disaster is creeping into the fray that could make the contentious budget battle look like a slap fight. The Treasury Department said Uncle Sam will be broke by October 17th unless something is done. Treasury secretary Jack Lew hammered home that point Thursday by releasing an unusually ominous statement that warned of catastrophic risks to the economy. House Speaker John Boehner has said he won’t let the government default on its debt, but until steps are taken to raise the nation’s debt ceiling, the possibility of default is still theoretically alive. “If they seriously default on the debt, what we’re really talking about is a depression,” says veteran financial sector analyst Richard Bove, VP of research at Rafferty Capital Markets. In the news video he explains how the fallout would be a lot worse than the recession suffered in 2008 and the aftershocks would be felt for at least a decade. “The first thing you have to do is look at who holds the debt,” Bove says of the $16.7 trillion of bonds the U.S. currently has outstanding. “The first, biggest owner (of U.S. debt) is the social security fund, so you’d have all of these people who are receiving social security payments who now have to question whether they’ll get their payments.” Clearly, that would cause a huge disruption to millions of Americans. But Bove says that is only the beginning since the second biggest holder of Treasuries (at about 12% of the total) is the Federal Reserve, which has “91% of its assets backed by U.S. government debt.” If the value of those assets were to decline, which they indisputably would in a default, Bove says the net effect would be that “we have nothing of value backing the dollar.” They’re actually “Federal Reserve Notes’ as well as the number one asset of choice held in the reserves of governments and businesses all over the world.

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Better to print more money and more money to keep us all in a way of life.
No lets bring it to a end now then start a new.
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This whole fucking thing is a meaningless dog and pony show. His majesty the Kenyan Marxist has legal authority to step in and do some kind of "emergency" legal hocus-pocus that raises the debt ceiling and renders the entire debate moot.

They will just keep printing endless money and the economic doom will be very slow and long-term for the developed nations; a gentle collapsing into more third-world-like conditions slowly enough so it's barely noted. There will never be a short sharp shock collapse moment because they have learned how to extend n' pretend forever...

In the US generations X and Y will just continue to experience a kind of low-grade decline; the Fratboy "adult children" mode of never really establishing the old white-picket-fence type lifestyle will continue forever...today you have rented houses of 6 or 7 dudes in their 30s and even 40s living the early-20s lifestyle...this will just continue indefinitely, they will keep living this way, doing low-grade service jobs if they are lucky, renting and living as batchelors with roommates into their 50s, 60s, even 70s....the lucky ones might inherit mommie and daddy's shitbox McMansions...meanwhile the daily necessities will slowly become more expensive...shortages, power and water outages, long lines at the grocery store...slowly rotting into grimy third-world-style dreariness.
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The eb and flo of the universe. Sorry America but you can't be top dog all the time. It's a shame that your government has led you to this.

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Well if Obama continues to draw his fat salary and Michelle and her daughters continue to go on their multimillion dollar vacations on taxpayer dime, everyone who doesn't get their social security check is going to see right through this.
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I would suggest buying a lot of rope !
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from 2011 - this shouldnt be an issue...hes got a poker face on. call out the fuckin bluff.

What Happened to the $2.6 Trillion Social Security Trust Fund?

Here’s why: Social Security has a trust fund, and that trust fund is supposed to have $2.6 trillion in it, according to the Social Security trustees. If there are real assets in the trust fund, then Social Security can mail the checks, regardless of what Congress does about the debt limit.

President Obama’s budget director, Jack Lew, explained all this last February in USA Today:

“Social Security benefits are entirely self-financing. They are paid for with payroll taxes collected from workers and their employers throughout their careers. These taxes are placed in a trust fund dedicated to paying benefits owed to current and future beneficiaries. … Even though Social Security began collecting less in taxes than it paid in benefits in 2010, the trust fund will continue to accrue interest and grow until 2025, and will have adequate resources to pay full benefits for the next 26 years.”

Notice that Lew said nothing about raising the debt ceiling, which was already looming, and it shouldn’t matter anyway because Social Security is “entirely self-financing” and off budget. What could be clearer?

[link to www.forbes.com]
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You are assuming that people will still pay their taxes?
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October 6, 2013 – WASHINGTON – As we close out the first week of the government shutdown, a bigger and even more toxic disaster is creeping into the fray that could make the contentious budget battle look like a slap fight. The Treasury Department said Uncle Sam will be broke by October 17th unless something is done. Treasury secretary Jack Lew hammered home that point Thursday by releasing an unusually ominous statement that warned of catastrophic risks to the economy. House Speaker John Boehner has said he won’t let the government default on its debt, but until steps are taken to raise the nation’s debt ceiling, the possibility of default is still theoretically alive. “If they seriously default on the debt, what we’re really talking about is a depression,” says veteran financial sector analyst Richard Bove, VP of research at Rafferty Capital Markets. In the news video he explains how the fallout would be a lot worse than the recession suffered in 2008 and the aftershocks would be felt for at least a decade. “The first thing you have to do is look at who holds the debt,” Bove says of the $16.7 trillion of bonds the U.S. currently has outstanding. “The first, biggest owner (of U.S. debt) is the social security fund, so you’d have all of these people who are receiving social security payments who now have to question whether they’ll get their payments.” Clearly, that would cause a huge disruption to millions of Americans. But Bove says that is only the beginning since the second biggest holder of Treasuries (at about 12% of the total) is the Federal Reserve, which has “91% of its assets backed by U.S. government debt.” If the value of those assets were to decline, which they indisputably would in a default, Bove says the net effect would be that “we have nothing of value backing the dollar.” They’re actually “Federal Reserve Notes’ as well as the number one asset of choice held in the reserves of governments and businesses all over the world.

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That's the PLAN MAN. The Illuminati Plan.

Think about it. From their perspective it's just created fiat, they can keep doing that indefinitely until it becomes worthless, and then chop 13 zeros off the end of the currency like Germany did, and just keep going.

Even though everybody would need a wheel barrel full of currency to buy a loaf a bread, the market would still function, albeit abnormally. In this case they'd need $42 Trillion dollars loaded onto their EBT cards.

But that does not bring in a police state!


If you want to *really* destroy the US dollar - as a reserve currency, bring in a police state in the United States to control those pesky patriots, and leave no services behind but the taxes, then what you need to do is default on the debt.

Of course the federal reserve is worthless, it's a FIAT currency.

I would say the fact that the silly bitches in their color clown dresses talking about this stuff at the grade 6 level is nothing more than CONDITIONAL PROGRAMMING. Getting people ready for it.
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The eb and flo of the universe. Sorry America but you can't be top dog all the time. It's a shame that your government has led you to this.

Aussie Aussie Aussie!
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Seriously - Your naive enough to think your immune from any of this?! The collapse of the United States dollar will lead to martial law AROUND THE WORLD BUD. Your country will see the same IMF asset confiscation that Greece and Cyprus and soon the United States was seeing.

The objective is always the same, one world currency, one world religion, one world government.
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this is all very interesting but which defense should I start in my fantasy football league bears or eagles?...thanks...

now back to that silly doom stuff, oh btw I even though the Seahawks are awesome this year I would move out of the state of Washington pronto.
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